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When did audiences really care about Fleming's Bond though?
You are welcome! And well said too!
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The two Dalton films felt perfectly timed for the late '80s, when action films had developed a certain new sheen via Joel Silver and Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer and Michael Mann, and I'm still baffled why the films didn't land bigger with audiences.
So, what this seems to say is, that his films played along what was going on in films at the time. Dunno, if that is true though.
I suppose in the earlier days when the books were newer. Now it seems the films have taken over.
I respect that. My point was really aimed at the praise being heaped on Craig at Brosnan's expense or the other Bonds. And that is unfair. I guess Pierce now now understands what it was like for Dalton after leaving the role. The world moves fast these days.
Gee, I hope I am perceived as a Dalton fan too! I think he got an unfair bashing for doing nothing more than adding Bond's credibility back. I liked Roger Moore but the Tarzan scene in Octopussy was another nail in the coffin of the franchise at the time. And he should not have done A View To A Kill as he was past his prime.
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People like NicNac aren't bashing Dalton because he was trying to bring Bond back to Fleming. Heck the man deserves respect for that. Moreover they're bashing him because he doesn't have the charisma which the role requires - and the fact that he was reduced to appearing in very minor/lightweight roles since suggests this.
You'd have thought a man of Dalton's background would be in more meaty challenging parts.
I have to disagree strongly. Have you seen Dalton act on stage or in Jane Eyre?. He is a powerful actor and has screen presence. I have seen Daniel Craig in some tv series and he is not twice the actor Dalton is. For starters they are different styles. It would be like comparing The Rolling Stones to Led Zeppelin.
And the big star argument is poor. There are a lot of great actors that have bad runs in the film industry. And when you get type cast as Bond some better roles elude you. Now that was especially true many years ago.
Look at John Travolta when he was cast by Tarantino in Pulp Fiction. Until that point he was going nowhere. And it made him a huge star. Same for Samuel L Jackson. And let's not forget that despite Anthony Hokpins being a great actor for years, he did not make it big until much later in his career with Silence Of The Lambs.
Craig is carrying Skyfall? Eon and Sony have cast big name actors to attract as wide an audience as possible. Sam Mendes is very famous and that attracts kudos. They are taking no risk. Had Dalton had the same meticulous backing Craig has now then you would see a different animal. When he was playing Bond, there were a lot of business issues lurking behind the scenes that lead to the halting of production on his third film. Craig would not have fared better in those circumstances and bear in mind that Craig has the benefit of hindsight.He knew what will work and what audiences hated about some Bond's.
With every film with Craig there has been a new director to keep things fresh. And the charisma can be forced. Dalton could easily mimick the traditional Bond persona but chose to play him as a real spy.
I love Dalton very much, but this is a fair point you bring up.
Dalton said he wanted to go back to a flirtier Bond in his unmade third film. Dalton was subtle and underplayed the suaveness because Roger over used it too much.
Craig's charisma was worked on for the part by Martin Campbell. Campbell knew when to amplify it to satisfy audience approval. Craig is not naturally charismatic and it shows in interviews. Damn, if all Bonds were the same, the series would be dull. Bond has many aspects to his character and the charisma was added to the cinematic version. But in the books he is a cold, blander character.
So you ignore the rest of Octopussy and focus on that? Ridiculous. Octopussy is one of the very best Bond films of all time. Terrific in every way. Yes, the Tarzan scene was bad but it was what like 5 seconds in the whole film...hardly going to detract from it. This OP bashing is prevalent on this forum and I am genuinely confused why?
If Craig had been in Octopussy and have the exact same story and script, people and the press would rave over it. Fact
Actually I am not sure Craig would have been able to do OP.
I agree it's one of the best in the series, and Roger's performance, as ever, is very under appreciated.
Well could you imagine watching a spy thriller and having an Austin Powers moment undermine the tension. Moments like that were the wrong direction and damage the reputation of the series. Octopussy had other scenes that spoil the serious elements built up. Sean Connery did humour but was subtler about it.
A lot of Moore's films over depended on the jokes and they are seen as parodies. I liked them as a boy but as I grew older they became dated. I snooze through TSWLM now. Great film when I was 15 though!
I am not saying Moore did not have his moments.My favourite Moore film is Live And Let Die. But I love Guy Hamilton's style a lot as well as the villains.
Absolutely. He is amazing in that.
What other scenes? Octopussy gets some harsh stick and I just do not understand it. I don't have a problem with the jungle chase, its tense and pays homage to The Most Dangerous Game and to see Bond looking agitated is terrific. Same with the clown scene...it's a brilliant disguise and, most importantly, Moore does nothing "comedic" in it.
Parodies? Like what FRWL and GF were/are? Like how every James Bond film is. And to snooze through TSWLM?!?! I choked on my tea!
You end your post well by praising LALD though ;)
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I loved Diamonds Are Forever. But that film never takes itself seriously and the comedic elements from Sean are powerful. The problem with Octopussy is that it tries to do dead serious and then you have scenes for example where Bond is India where he is trying to escape pursuers in that taxi-like vehicle is another example of the wrong tone for the film.
My favourite Moore films are LALD as well as TMWTGG and FYEO. The first two I could watch every day. They are amazing and so enjoyable. I like Moore's Bond immensely in those. Guy Hamilton is great with style and I love his Bond direction.
TMWTGG is a classic Bond. One of my favourites and Christopher Lee is outstanding. To be honest, I would take that film over Casino Royale to a desert island. I admit that some of the old Bond films are masterpieces visually and the wit was incredible. No doubt.
I doubt we will see that ever again but they sure had charm and were family friendly. Casino Royale was depressing in parts and the torture scene was a bit too horror filmish in style. The book version of the torture scene is more realistic in the novel CR.
Yes the scripts were full of wit that we can only dream of. Although people are saying SF is good so may be Logan has worked some magic.
So true. I miss those. I watched LALD the other day and it was incredible. Probably my favourite Bond Villains ever. Kananga is cool.
But I have to say DAF made me fall off my chair with laughter. The one liners are just killer. I mean when Bond comes out of the coffin and says "Now don't tell me! You're Saint Peter?".
The newer Bonds have a different script style and the humour will never match the charm of the classics. Still love Dalton's films because they have that association to the classic era with Richard Maibaum as well as Cubby Broccoli. They are old school Bond in parts and I love that. The Q scene in LTK is classic Bond and Desmond Llewelyn is at his best. Dalton is very funny in that and has good chemistry with Desmond. I love the "Hope you don't snore Q!" one liner as Pam rejects him for suspecting he is having an affair with Lupe who is Sanchez's girlfriend.
It's just brilliant. It really really is. Moore was perfect for it and in it. Can't fault it
Had they toned down the comedy, I would probably prefer Octopussy to FYEO. But I admit OP has some stunning moments and Roger can do serious very well. Even Dalton said that about him. Roger can act and is just as interesting when he plays the role straight.
In my book Roger gave us some of the best 'serious' moments in the series. It's actually the contrast in his performance that gives his darker moments real edge.
I remember moments in OP, especially towards the end, with real fondness. They're thrilling and chilling. Rog in his clown suit trying to reach the bomb is poignant and gripping. Not sure any other Bond could have carried that scene off, but Roger does and it works brilliantly. You really feel he is in danger on the train sequence and in fear of his life as the knife wielding circus guys stalk him down. Brilliant.
We shouldn't be surprised though. He did go to RADA, don't you know!
Oh Roger can act and does the dead pan Bond well. I enjoy him for what he brought to the franchise but perhaps they made Roger more of a Bond that children could watch. But I am a Bond fan that can enjoy each actor for their merits though Lazenby was no actor.
Sometimes I get off put by the needless bashing of this Bond over that Bond. They are all of their time. Sadly whenever a new Bond gets cast, at some point the media as well as some fans will try to destroy the work of the previous Bond. Pierce too had some great moments and his first two films were super fine. He had the worst script writers that made some of Bond's pyschological dialogue come across amateurish.
And they failed to fully explore Brosnan's darker side of Bond. Too many one liners and they tried to make him too smooth without the rough edges he needs. I mean Christmas Jones as a character takes away any credibility that the movie tried to build up.
And what I like about both Pierce and Tim is that they have those dark features of Bond in the books. I prefer it when Bond actors are more supportive of each others contribution. That makes me like them more. And Pierce said good things about Tim later in his Bond career.