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Vesper's death - Did she push herself or did the water pull her?

KevolutionKevolution
edited October 2012 in Bond Movies Posts: 2
Hi guys just a quick question about Vesper's death in Casino Royale. When Vesper is under water she moves back to the back of the elevator. I believe the water drags her down as she can't hold her breath any longer or choses to stop holding her breath. My friend believes she pushes herself back. But i believe I see no push, she falls back fast and screaming like it wasn't of her own accord. Can i hear peoples opinions please? Thanks!

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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    Posts: 4,399
    first... it's VespER

    secondly, she clearly moves away from Bond to let herself drown - in her fleeting moments, it looks as though she is regretting her decision as she is reaching for Bond (but we'll never know)... there was no sudden current change in the water to suck her back into the far end of the elevator - she pushed herself.... she wanted to die.
  • KevolutionKevolution
    Posts: 2
    Of course it's Vesper, sorry it's almost 3am if the clocks didn't change. She moves back to fast and suddely to be a push, if you have moved underwater you'd know it how hard you'd have to push to move that fast, in any direction, especially flat out as opposed to a dive shape with less surface area against the water. I know she wanted to die, but i don't think she pushed herself as why would you scream like that, and we see no push (it would have to be very hard).
  • UmustbjockingUmustbjocking
    Posts: 83
    Yes Vespa is very much alive and well ridden around Italy mostly. As for Vesper-the money- she chose the only thing possible. Suicide or murder as we learned later. " The first thing you should know about us is that we have people everywhere. Am I right?"
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    Posts: 7,854
    She was cubed by the - oh, wait, this isn't the Robinson thread... oops.

    She pushed herself. It was suicide. She had decided on death the moment she gave up the money to White's people.
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
    Posts: 1,143
    She moved herself backwards, to get away from Bond. Clearly she felt suicide was the only option. Mr White mentions in QOS that if she hadn't killed herself, then they would have had Bond too, as he was in love with her and would presumably have done anything for her. So she sacrificed herself to save Bond. The drowning was a very emotive dramatic scene and her movement and actions were all part of that.
  • ThepastykidThepastykid
    Posts: 553
    myworldisenough wrote:
    She moved herself backwards, to get away from Bond. Clearly she felt suicide was the only option. Mr White mentions in QOS that if she hadn't killed herself, then they would have had Bond too, as he was in love with her and would presumably have done anything for her. So she sacrificed herself to save Bond. The drowning was a very emotive dramatic scene and her movement and actions were all part of that.

    Exactly how I ave always read it, though I must add I always detect a moment near the end where she does panic and reach out, but that is more the body's instinctive will to stay alive.

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited October 2012 Posts: 3,497
    It was a beautiful scene, and yes, she wanted to die.

    As she made a big impact on Bond (and me...) from the first second she said "I'm the money", I really hope we see him laying flowers on her grave.

  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    I've never been to Venice (yet) but asked before how it's feasibly possible for a building the size of what we saw, to sink into waters that can't be much deeper than the canals of Amsterdam ? Taking into account it's only a movie, but even so, a certain about of commonsense should be evident. The waters simply wouldn't have been deep enough

    And as above, the Green character chose to die at that moment, pity really, as I thought Lynd was a decent and sophisticated woman, such an improvement on recent Bond girls we have seen, that drowning sequence was actually quite harrowing and lifelike, not to mention memorable. One of the best (if that is the operative word) demises of the entire franchise
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,848
    HASEROT wrote:
    first... it's VespER

    secondly, she clearly moves away from Bond to let herself drown - in her fleeting moments, it looks as though she is regretting her decision as she is reaching for Bond (but we'll never know)... there was no sudden current change in the water to suck her back into the far end of the elevator - she pushed herself.... she wanted to die.

    I always viewed this as her seeing hell for betraying bond and being terrified by it ...but I am probably reading WAY to much into it.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    In the book she killed herself.

    In the movie she clearly wanted no longer particpate in such an ridicolous segment of the movie that could have been much better had they opted for the acting skills of Craig & Green. :D
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    She clearly pushes herself back and and away from Bond if you ask me?
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