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Bond gets Quarrel killed in Dr. No by dragging him to Crab Key. Bond almost gets Honey killed too in the process.
And Bond gets his wife murdered too in OHMSS, watching helplessly as the villain gets away. Again, it shows Bond is human and makes mistakes.
But I have no issues with moments like that, or like the moments in SF, as it shows Bond is human, and makes mistakes.
Bond did sometimes make the wrong call on occasions. But he rarely "failed" his objective. Didn't M once say early in the YOLT novel that "before now he didn't make mistakes"?
People probably die dozens of times in the Books and also the Movies because the Way Bond acts but Most of the time it is because he is just not very bright ( especially in the Novels ) or he can't do anything about it. The diference to SF is,that in at least 2 cases he could have but decides to just watch the killings seemingly bored to Death. Fleming ( despite all the incoherence of his picture of 007) saw him very probably more as white Knight,than an emotionless sociopath,so no - i don't think SF -or Craigs Performance for that matter- nails Fleming (as so many here are fond to Claim )!
Bond was a very bland character in the books, someone who had "reluctantly become something of a public figure" (Fleming's own phrase in M's obituary at the end of YOLT).
However I wouldn't say he was a sociopath either
I got the feeling Bond himself was just a good looking but otherwise fairly ordinary bloke to whom extraordinary things happened.
You lost me there,since i wrote that Fleming saw him as a white Knight. The Way he acts in SF resembles a sociopath.
In what way? Give me an example!
I didn't see Craig's Bond bored to death watching the killings. In Shanghai he is watching something unfold before his very eyes, observing, then pursuing to kill the person in question.
When he is odered to shoot the glass off the girl's head, again he doesn't look bored but utterly distressed. I don't know where you get the idea of Bond being bored by what he sees with these deaths.
Agreed, besides there was nothing he could do. As I'm sure you know @Jetset In YOLT Bond witnesses guards in the Castle of Death beat a man and then kill him. He doesn't try and stop them then.
Arguably Bond could not do anything about the killing of the Guards. My Problem with that scene is the indiference he shows. When it comes to the Art Collector he Sure as hell could interact,but he chooses not to,diplaying not only sociopathic Charakter traits, but stupid thinking (for a Spy) as well.
This answer should serve Bain 123 as well.
How about doing the Same Things he does 30 seconds later?
He couldn't because there was no way of distracting the guards. The spilling of the scotch allowed him to make the quip, which in turn distracted the men around him.
As it had been said, the death of Severine allowed him to use the moment to his advantage. Added to that, he and Silva had used their shots up and the men were likely less worried about Bond trying something since he had no bullet to work with. Bond knw Silva used up his shot, so there was even less chance of danger. You must also remember that Bond had no idea Silva was going to kill Severine at all, nonetheless at that moment, so unless he could see into the future there wasn't anything he could do anyway, regardless of his situation.
Oh really? What exactly did he expect to happen to her,after the Way they treated her before (After all she Looks quite Beaten up)? I guess i just like my Bond witty and resourcefull (but that's just me probably ,judging from all the Love for SF)
Bond was plenty resourceful in the film and quite witty, but it takes a certain group of fans to appreciate it. I can't see any Bond handling that situation any better.
Would you care to point out THAT Moment in the Film?
I don't mind to be my Club of the exklusive kind!
I did point out what you wanted to know in past posts. Do you want a 100% perfect Bond that never missteps or something? How boring that would be.
I think Matt would prefer this type of guy to be Bond.....
In fairness the last line of Robocop is vaguely like the ending of CR (he says his name and smiles at the camera).
No, you did not! Simply because there is no Moment like this the whole 220 minutes. And PLEASE!!! This is not about a Perfect Bond, this is about a Human Bond, who cares about People dying for nothing.
If you read my previous posts, you will see,how wrong you judge my Attitude!
Most of the criticism towards Craig's Bond is that he now too sensitive, too human, yet you are stating the opposite. You are saying he is not human enough.
Just goes to show, we all interpret things on screen very differently.
Well, his mimic doesn't differ too much from Craigs.
I most certainly did read your previous posts, where I noticed you stating you "liked your Bond as being resourceful," yet how was Bond 100% not resourceful in SF?
This Game Must have been played a Million Times Since SF came Out. Someone points Out something wrong in the Movie, catches Heat,defends himself ...
I make ALL of you SF lovers an offer. Why don't YOU Point Out the Things that make Sense in SF and i will (probably ) explain why they don't. Oh and please don't mention Things like "the Drives Seat was on the right side of the Car and Big Ben was seen Standing around in London. We're strictly Talking Storyline and Logic here. So come on, give your best and Don't be disapointed, if you struggle to find ANYTHING!
Bond's contempt for the pyschiatrist is like scenes in Fleming where he meets some dry as dust bureacrat and has to humour him.
But let's not revere Fleming too much, he had a few wtf? moments. Like in YOLT when his obit states that his adventures were written up by a third party in popular novels or something. That's just Fleming taking the piss.
Or when Red Grant turns up on the train unannounced, acts like some lunatic, and Bond just goes with it, doesn't even bother to contact anyone to ask if they've sent someone out to meet him! They wrote it to make more sense in the film.