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Indeed, it was a shortcut. India has Bollywood, an industry that turns out twice as many films as hollywood does. However, the average income for an Indian is about 60 to 100 dollars per month. That's up to 1200 dollars a year, against the US median income of 51.000.
China has, this year, a median income of about 8000 dollars. That's up in almost 10 years from about 3000 dollars. Mind you, these are the very rough numbers, but you see the picture I hope. 1,2 billion chinese with incomes more then doubling every ten years. It was a matter of time before they'd surpass the US market.
India is a completely different story, but I won't go into that here as those geopolitical lectures may be a bit off topic. My point was, albeit poorly put, that China was going to surpass the US as a movie market anyway, sooner or later.
Movie died for me when Firth was gone. And his killing was so ignominious. Ha ha. I get it, in this film, the villain just kills the gentleman spy.
That's fine, but call me crazy, I prefer the original schtick.
This movie was a mess. I hope it goes away and dies.
Women attacking their children with knives. I don't mind OTT violence. Tarnatino's films IMO were better conceived than this dog's breakfast ( and suitably dogs play a promient role in the film, maybe canines wrote the film too. I amuse myself at least )
Filmis uneven. It tries to be bold and schocking, but just comes across as preachy, and yes there is no shortageof half-arsed social commentary in this film, I felt like my head was going to explode. Not surprisingly many heads did explode in this film. Most I think had had enough of the film by this point. I am not sure all those bursting heads at the end were only special effects. Relief for some I think.
Oh and such tense drama, threatening to blow away dogs with guns. So edgy. Yawn. Hope the pug, pooped on the rug.
Oh and great fun, watching people tear each other apart on the beach, and in the streets, and the church massacre etc.
OK I get it, the preachy filmmakers are trying to tells us there are too many people in the world, and the planet is dying because of it, but we better watch out,or the planet might kill us instead. I know these are the rantings of the film's villain, but I get the impression, this was also the filmmakers message too, couched as villain rantings. Whatever.
No wonder they milked the people killing people scenes.
Next film, killer trees and plant life will attack humanity. Volcanos will erupt, to wipe out us pesky human that dare to live here.
I can't count the number of times, I had to break theatre etiquette to check my smartphone in the dark, to see how much time was left, especially after Firth was gone, who looked real good in a suit, I must admit. Best John Steed knockoff ever actually.
This move though was made by a maniac. Vaughn should be commited for foisting this mess on the paying public.
And I am not prudish. I love the Evid Dead films and nothing is gorier than those movies, but those movies had a context. They had some style.
Kingsman is instead tasteless, disgusting, uneven and supremely stupid. And the final cherry on top, is that it thinks it is so friggin clever a film. Double yawn.
The ending reminded of CR67, which was a way better movie, with way better looking girls. In fact this film had a paucity of girls.
You'd think in an OTT spy spoof, we'd get a decent serving of pulchritude, but really nothing that jumped out.
At least Bond, Helm , Flint, Avengers, Uncle never failed to delivered the jiggle and the glam.
1 out of 5 stars. Please.Nooooooo sequel. Just go away!!!
I did like the pug though!
Give the pooch a sequel, as opposed to the pooch of a film!
Yes, you know that English saying about other people. They are like assholes.
I agree. I think that this movie is its own animal and is designed primarily for the Asian & youth market - where they see their heroes die all the time in the movies, and also where the violence traditionally is more pulpy.
Like that scene in Spaceballs? =))
This moment was in the comics. I haven't seen the film yet, but read the comics as and when they were out. I always enjoyed this aspect of the story, it's quite a cliche in the world of Mark Millar, but suitable. Not sure it was put in for any other reason than it was the way Millar/Vaughn conceived it some time ago now. Vaughn is obviously adept at transferring Millar's lust for pulpy violence and subversive narrative beats to the big screen.
One thing I will say having read comments on here regards content/violence - I really hope they get Millar's 'Nemesis' off the ground. If people think Kick-Ass and this are overboard, 'you ain't seen nothing, yet', as the saying goes. Nemesis is an awesome read and a film version will have a lot of people losing their shit if it's faithfully adapted. Last I heard Carnaghan was doing something with it, but who knows?
Did you like "Kingsman" a lot @RC7? Rating on a scale to 10 ;-)?
Like I say, I haven't seen it yet. I read the comics as they were released. I've been cooped up working since it's release and I don't like stuff to inform what I'm writing. I'll probably see it next week.
And other people are entitled to disagree with those opinions.
You're just saying this because you want desperately for this movie to be bad because of what Millar said before release. You slagged it off before release, went quiet when it got good reviews and then when it gets a negative response from a few members you suddenly start contributing again and say (in as many words) "looks like I was right after all".
If you really have no interest in seeing this movie, stop reading this thread. As much as I disagree with @timmer and others, at least they've actually seen the movie before judging it, rather than writing it off straight away (despite the majority liking it) because the writer criticised the Craig movies and you thought the trailer looked like "serious Austin Powers" or something (and as others have already said, the trailer undersold/didn't represent the film).
No doubt people are allowed to disagree. (forcing an opinion is a different story, which I haven't done.) I never said I wanted Kingsman to be bad. Quite the opposite. I went quiet because it became old news. I never boasted anything of the sort. Did I ever say "looks like I was right after all?" No I didn't. I just jokingly said that I'm glad I didn't bother with the damn movie in the cinema. I'll eventually see it when it becomes available to rent at the library but why should I stop reading this thread? The comments amuse me.
I find that not true. IMO Eggsy was quite a multi-layered character. He certainly has quite the background, amidst those London's East End hooligans. He grew up in a flawed family, and gets the chance to improve his live....to fully use his talents that he never used before.
Sorry, with the character Eggsy, I think "Kingsman" really distinguishes itself from James Bond. Because it's a character you'll never see in a Bond film. Period. It's also quite a typical Matthew Vaughn-character, and reminds me about "Layer Cake".
I like Layercake by the way though.....a slick well made british gangster film.
They will need to add more quality actors to make a sequel worthy, unless they only want to bring in the pimply crowd.
My call is for Timothy Dalton in the next one!
Have you ever seen "Green Street Hooligans "http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385002/combined ? Great movie. Certainly not kitchen-sink soap, but realistic drama. The recent hooliganism of Dutch football club Feyenoord in Rome actually proofs it. It's realistic enough, and for me it was a reason that Eggsy stood out. These people really do exist you know? It's not that they are only created on the writing tables of "Eastenders".
I think you're in the minority thinking that Eggsy can carry a movie himself. Many of the critics and general public thought the film slowed greatly after
Well I did see 'Green Street Hooligans' and it indeed is a very good movie. In that movie characters are indeed well shown, their troubles and their lives. But it's utterly different from Kingsman in so many ways I don't know where to start. For me Eggsy is as light a character as they get. His backstory may be 'rough' but it's told in such a 'oh well it wasn't easy you know' way it never made any sense at all. He didn't really seem that bothered.
Then there's the originality of a young boy from a lousy background with unexpected talents, getting through to the high life. nope, never been done before.... come on, how cliché IS that story.
And no, I still don't compare him to Bond nor did I have any expectations of what the film would be like. I went to the cinema to see a 'spy movie', that's all. If it had turned out like Johnny English, Austin Powers or a Carré film, I didn't know, but would have been interested as long as the film itself would have been consistent, but it wasn't. It's fine by me that you're so enthousiastic, but stop discarding other's opinions if they dont align with yours.
What? Did we watch the same film? Every time her boyfriend hits him or tries to do anything to him she tries to stop him (and gets a smack herself). Even after her boyfriend hit her she tried to stop Eggsy going after him because she didn't want him to get hurt.
"He didn't really seem that bothered"
Yeah when he went on the big rant in the pub or when he had a go at Mark Strong's character for choosing him to be the one with no parachute he didn't seem bothered at all did he.
I think if he'd spent the whole film bitching about how hard he'd had it then he wouldn't be a likeable character. I come from a background similar to Eggsy (I grew up on a council estate in East London) and it isn't that bad at all, so if he'd spent half the film moping about how hard his life was while kids are dying in Africa and places then I think it would have made him unlikeable.
As it stands I thought Eggsy was a good character. Likeable, charismatic and with different layers to him. I don't know why people are saying he couldn't carry the sequel because as I've said before, he carried this film already. Firth's character was a badass gentleman spy and that was it. Colin Firth did an amazing job and was probably the highlight of the movie but Eggsy was the real protagonist. He was the one who was a fleshed out character, the one who we actually get to know, and he spent half the film away from Firth anyway, and probably got a decent amount more screentime.
Also, Green Street is a terrible movie.
So you didn't like him because of his accent or his background?
There's a bit in the film you could've done well to take notice of. Eggsy asks Harry if he's going to teach him to speak "properly", and Harry tells him that being a gentleman has nothing to do with your accent, and then says this quote
"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self."
@Murdock I said you should stop reading the thread because you have "no intention of seeing the movie". A lot of your comments so far have been you saying how you don't give a shit about the film. If you're not interested in the movie and have nothing to contribute, don't read the thread, that's all I was saying.
Could you point out some of these reviews for me? Not saying you're wrong, it's just I'm curious because nothing I've read seems to indicate that.