A place for disappointed skyfall viewers

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  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I honestly saw a different film to Getafix (yet again!). I thought the final scenes on the Scottish Moor's were erry and effectively lit. Love the sinister yet fast paced score that goes over the top.

    Also I think my favourite scene in the film is the Tennyson speech and the cuts of Bond running to save her. Teriffic scene which sent shivers through me when I saw it.

    And yet Getafix likes QoS in which most of the action scenes don't really show Bond in that much danger (other than the end) either.

    I actually think the car chase and Sienna rooftop chase and kitchen/opera chase are quite visceral in QoS. They have real tension as far as I was concerned. Wish the car chases had been longer - it is beautifully filmed IMO. The Sienna chase is pretty badly edited though, making it difficult to understand what is actually going on. I thought the PTS in SF was very bland generic action stuff. Bond smashing his bike into the bridge and magically landing on the train and the stuff with the digger was yawn inducing for me (and out of character - Bond does not need to use a digger to chase one man). And please no more popping the cufflinks in Bond 24 - thought we'd left naff stuff in the Brosnan era. Totally takes you out of the scene. The fact they'd shown everything before release, including Bond getting shot, did not help though.

    Any way, yes, the car chase and opera chase in QoS beat any of the action in SF IMO. Stylish, beautifully shot and exciting.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I honestly saw a different film to Getafix (yet again!). I thought the final scenes on the Scottish Moor's were erry and effectively lit. Love the sinister yet fast paced score that goes over the top.

    Also I think my favourite scene in the film is the Tennyson speech and the cuts of Bond running to save her. Teriffic scene which sent shivers through me when I saw it.

    And yet Getafix likes QoS in which most of the action scenes don't really show Bond in that much danger (other than the end) either.

    I actually think the car chase and Sienna rooftop chase and kitchen/opera chase are quite visceral in QoS. They have real tension as far as I was concerned. Wish the car chases had been longer - it is beautifully filmed IMO. The Sienna chase is pretty badly edited though, making it difficult to understand what is actually going on. I thought the PTS in SF was very bland generic action stuff. Bond smashing his bike into the bridge and magically landing on the train and the stuff with the digger was yawn inducing for me (and out of character - Bond does not need to use a digger to chase one man). And please no more popping the cufflinks in Bond 24 - thought we'd left naff stuff in the Brosnan era. Totally takes you out of the scene. The fact they'd shown everything before release, including Bond getting shot, did not help though.

    Any way, yes, the car chase and opera chase in QoS beat any of the action in SF IMO. Stylish, beautifully shot and exciting.

    The car chase in QoS was over-edited. Count the number of cuts next time. It doesn't really add anything to the film either.
  • Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I honestly saw a different film to Getafix (yet again!). I thought the final scenes on the Scottish Moor's were erry and effectively lit. Love the sinister yet fast paced score that goes over the top.

    Also I think my favourite scene in the film is the Tennyson speech and the cuts of Bond running to save her. Teriffic scene which sent shivers through me when I saw it.

    And yet Getafix likes QoS in which most of the action scenes don't really show Bond in that much danger (other than the end) either.

    I actually think the car chase and Sienna rooftop chase and kitchen/opera chase are quite visceral in QoS. They have real tension as far as I was concerned. Wish the car chases had been longer - it is beautifully filmed IMO. The Sienna chase is pretty badly edited though, making it difficult to understand what is actually going on. I thought the PTS in SF was very bland generic action stuff. Bond smashing his bike into the bridge and magically landing on the train and the stuff with the digger was yawn inducing for me (and out of character - Bond does not need to use a digger to chase one man). And please no more popping the cufflinks in Bond 24 - thought we'd left naff stuff in the Brosnan era. Totally takes you out of the scene. The fact they'd shown everything before release, including Bond getting shot, did not help though.

    Any way, yes, the car chase and opera chase in QoS beat any of the action in SF IMO. Stylish, beautifully shot and exciting.

    The car chase in QoS was over-edited. Count the number of cuts next time.

    I like it. And I really love the way it is preceded by the long sweeping shot across the lake. QoS is a far more visually interesting film IMO than SF. SF looks fine but I do slightly feel people are over-doing the whole 'ooh Roger Deakins' stuff. Like someone else has said, the shots are often quite narrow, so we rarely get any sweeping sense of location. The feel looks and feels cramped and claustrophobic. Just my view any way. Sure I'll get shot to pieces for that comment.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    We rarely get any sweeping sense of location? What about Bond and M looking over the Moor's of Scotland? Probably one of the best shots ever seen in a Bond film.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,425
    See, one of my big gripes with SF is that I don't feel it makes very good use of the Scottish locations. A brief stop on the way to Skyfall by the road and then we're off to some army base outside Stevenage and lots of sets at Pinewood. A real shame. I think originally they planned to use a real Scottish location but decided they wanted to blow up the set rather than use models and so had to build the thing down south. Imagine a proper battle sequence shot in an actual glorious Scottish landscape with the 007 theme (the one from the underwater fight in TB?) playing over the top. Wow.

    So many Bond movies have ended in glorious locations - OHMSS, FYEO, CR, where you have a real sense of place. Again, perhaps it's because I ruined it for myself by watching the filming so clsoely, but I found those closing scenes a bit drab.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    See, one of my big gripes with SF is that I don't feel it makes very good use of the Scottish locations. A brief stop on the way to Skyfall by the road and then we're off to some army base outside Stevenage and lots of sets at Pinewood. A real shame. I think originally they planned to use a real Scottish location but decided they wanted to blow up the set rather than use models and so had to build the thing down south. Imagine a proper battle sequence shot in an actual glorious Scottish landscape with the 007 theme (the one from the underwater fight in TB?) playing over the top. Wow.So many Bond movies have ended in glorious locations - OHMSS, FYEO, CR, where you have a real sense of place. Again, perhaps it's because I ruined it for myself by watching the filming so clsoely, but I found those closing scenes a bit drab.
    Its called conviction. If it looks like its Scotland then it doesn't matter. I didn't feel it was a set (even though they actually filmed the house blowing up not far from me). I believed the action was taking place across the More's.I think you do get a sense of isolation thanks to the photography of not only SF itself but also the shots of Bond driving through the hills before hand. We can see Bond is pretty much in the middle of nowhere and, ultimately this is going to make it a bit more exciting Even the climax's you mentioned are undermimed by some dodgy backgrounds which, to an extent, take you out the film in that you can see they are backdrops. 
  • BAIN123 wrote:
    I honestly saw a different film to Getafix (yet again!). I thought the final scenes on the Scottish Moor's were erry and effectively lit. Love the sinister yet fast paced score that goes over the top.

    Also I think my favourite scene in the film is the Tennyson speech and the cuts of Bond running to save her. Teriffic scene which sent shivers through me when I saw it.

    And yet Getafix likes QoS in which most of the action scenes don't really show Bond in that much danger (other than the end) either.

    I agree with that. I actually loved everything involving Skyfall and I got a kick out of Bond throwing the knife. Bond breaking through the ice and the struggle underwater is one of my favourite scenes actually.
    The only thing I did not like is that Bond does not even for one second shiver after that.

    And Tennyson was one of the most inspirational things ever seen in Bond imho.
  • What was that Scottish location/house they were going to use for Skyfall, only to have to drop it for another?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I have a request for all disappointed skyfall viewers as I am one of them. While using the words skyfall in a post, can you please rather use skyfail. Thank-you
    Tell you what, LET'S NOT. Unless you want to stir it up and whip up a few arguments on these forums, in which case you can start with me if you like.
    One other note-

    I find the bi-sexual undertones used in skyfall disgusting and a disgrace to Ian Fleming plus Bonds history. it was very politically correct and unnecessary to have Bond say, "What Makes You Think This is My First Time?" Some of you may say, "IT WAS A JOKE! ". But seriously what are we supposed to believe? This is just another attempt for the producers to appease another minority ( the gays and lesbians) . EON really sold out here and I'm disappointed with Daniel Craig . Now I am no racist nor do I hate gays, in fact I know many nice gay people, but it was completely unnecessary for EON to suggest at all Bond might have boinked a guy.Seriously come on.
    This is just one of many things wrong with the film.

    As someone said Fleming was never averse to throwing in a few gay characters in his books. And when someone says 'Don't get me wrong I'm not homophobic' it usually means the exact opposite.
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    What was that Scottish location/house they were going to use for Skyfall, only to have to drop it for another?
    Freswick Castle, IIRC
    freswick8.jpg

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    Yes I'm aware of that, and by all means thats fine. But my main point and problem is the fact the writers of skyfail included the distasteful and out of place line, " What makes you think this is my first time " To infer bond might be bi-sexual is absurd and just a complete slap in the face to Fleming's brute and manly womanising character .

    DTK, Bond just said it to show Silva he wasn't intimidated by him. He wasn't telling the truth. You say that people won 't be able to recognize the sarcasm, but really, people are smarter than you give them credit for.

  • actonsteve wrote:
    I . Now I am no racist nor do I hate gays, in fact I know many nice gay people, .

    The unending mantra of the homophobe.."some of my best friends are gay but..."

    some of my best friends are Roger Moore fans
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    craigrules wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    I . Now I am no racist nor do I hate gays, in fact I know many nice gay people, .

    The unending mantra of the homophobe.."some of my best friends are gay but..."

    some of my best friends are Roger Moore fans

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited November 2012 Posts: 28,694
    @DRESSED_TO_KILL/ @TouchMyButtons, what a clichéd retort. I know all of the people that I hate too. THAT'S HOW I HATE THEM! You can't just walk up the street, look at someone and say "I don't you!" You'll look like a raving loony. You simply can't dislike someone before you know them, so you saying that you "know" gay people makes no difference at all, and surely doesn't point to your argument that you have no problem with them.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Getafix wrote:
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.

    At least your woman agrees with you on Bond. My insane fiance doesn't like Dalton X( she reckons Brosnan (at least that's something) and Craig are the best.
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    Getafix wrote:
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.
    My wife dragged me to the cinema 3 times to watch SF.......I love my misses!!

    :x
  • Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.
    My wife dragged me to the cinema 3 times to watch SF.......I love my misses!!

    :x

    I have no Mrs :(
  • Posts: 3,327
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.
    My wife dragged me to the cinema 3 times to watch SF.......I love my misses!!

    :x

    I have no Mrs :(

    Never mind. Enjoy being single while it lasts....it won't last forever.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.
    My wife dragged me to the cinema 3 times to watch SF.......I love my misses!!

    :x

    I have no Mrs :(

    Yeah, well...Neither does James! He has bad luck in that area, so consider yourself lucky that you haven't experienced the problems he has.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 3,494
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.
    My wife dragged me to the cinema 3 times to watch SF.......I love my misses!!

    :x

    I have no Mrs :(

    I WISH WITH ALL MY HEART my Mrs. were still alive. Whether you agree with them or not, be glad you have them. Being a widower at 49 truly sucks way worse than most of the negative posts I've read here.

    How's that for perspective? People crying over every little thing they didn't like. Pathetic.


  • Posts: 11,189
    Your right @SirHiliary. didn't mean to sound like I was wining.

    We get way too wrapped up about every little thing here. It's only a bloody movie
  • BAIN123 wrote:
    Your right @SirHiliary. didn't mean to sound like I was wining.

    We get way too wrapped up about every little thing here. It's only a bloody movie

    How did I become Sir Hilary???

    No my friend Bain, you were not whining. Believe me. This thread is such a whinefest that I hope they brought some cheese. Life is way too short and full of real problems to get this upset over a film you didn't like.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 12,837
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Mrs G made me laugh this evening. As we were sitting down for dinner she said 'I've been thinking how sh*t that Bond movie was.' Like some couples, we have that sickening habit if finishing off each others' sentences. Even I couldn't have predicted what she said next though - 'I think it's even worse than those Brosnan ones'. Sorry, had to share it. Had me laughing any way.
    My wife dragged me to the cinema 3 times to watch SF.......I love my misses!!

    :x

    I have no Mrs :(

    I WISH WITH ALL MY HEART my Mrs. were still alive. Whether you agree with them or not, be glad you have them. Being a widower at 49 truly sucks way worse than most of the negative posts I've read here.

    How's that for perspective? People crying over every little thing they didn't like. Pathetic.

    I am sorry about your wife @SirHenryLeeChaChing and it does put things in perspective. I feel the same about my dad (well, he wasn't my real dad but my real dad is a knobhead frankly).
  • 12/23
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    Probably a good idea to have this thread. I think Skyfall is a good film and I saw it for a third time on Wednesday. There's nothing wrong with having criticisms however. I love the character movement, the human and Flemingsque elements but what I don't like about the film are the following:

    * Most of the casino scene which is a bit too comedic and I find much of the dialogue exchanged between Severine and Bond in this segment cheesy.

    * Some of the one liners. For the Craig era, I feel more natural humour like in CR (not that all the humour in this film is natural though but most is) is more suited.

    * The fact that the DB5 had an ejector seat and machine guns. This was unnecessary.

    These are my three main issues. I don't really like how Eve became Moneypenny either but I accept the fact that this is mainstream Hollywood and that all these characters seem to have to have a glorified, romanticised background history. Another minor criticism is that I think the romance scenes between Bond and Severine and the girl at the beginning are too short along with the "enjoying death" scenes near the beginning of the film.
  • I am deeply saddened by the fact that what appeared to be a place for 007 fans is a place where there is mockery, insult, a lack of appreciation for the people that made this community and for James Bond. The short time I;ve been a member I've read the most unbelievable things. Suddenly everyone is an expert in film direction, the film critics are saints compared to some of the views not just about SF, but the whole franchise. Too much CGI, Craig's hairline, should Connery do Bond 24 etc. I'm sad to say but these are not intelligent posts. I too have said a few things but I have love for all the films even my least favorite. Also my anticipation of 007 films has ended with SF. It is a great film but its so far from what I've been a fan of for 40 years so I wish the franchise best of luck. By the way if you go to the cinema looking for flaws its a shame. Learn to enjoy the good stuff and all actors have brought plenty on screen. Long live commander Bond...
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    By the way if you go to the cinema looking for flaws its a shame. Learn to enjoy the good stuff and all actors have brought plenty on screen. Long live commander Bond...

  • edited November 2012 Posts: 1,310
    I am deeply saddened by the fact that what appeared to be a place for 007 fans is a place where there is mockery, insult, a lack of appreciation for the people that made this community and for James Bond. The short time I;ve been a member I've read the most unbelievable things. Suddenly everyone is an expert in film direction, the film critics are saints compared to some of the views not just about SF, but the whole franchise. Too much CGI, Craig's hairline, should Connery do Bond 24 etc. I'm sad to say but these are not intelligent posts. I too have said a few things but I have love for all the films even my least favorite. Also my anticipation of 007 films has ended with SF. It is a great film but its so far from what I've been a fan of for 40 years so I wish the franchise best of luck. By the way if you go to the cinema looking for flaws its a shame. Learn to enjoy the good stuff and all actors have brought plenty on screen. Long live commander Bond...
    A fair post, although I'm not entirely sure why you are giving up on the franchise if you claim that Skyfall was a great film. It's a little overly dramatic, no? The franchise has gone through many changes before Daniel Craig, and it will continue to change. And to your surprise, it may change for the better.

    All I'm saying is that it would be a shame to lose a fellow Bond fan.
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    I think, its a fact, that there are fans, who could have gone on the same ole ways forever and I don't mean this offensive. But they have to realize, that this would have been the death of the franchise.
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