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Yes, this is a nonsense thread with all due respect, in that you're putting two of the greatest adversary characters of the franchise up against some obscure and limited screentime villain from another and making a choice of who was best villain/s
Mr Kil is probably the least relevant character of the Brosnan era, a character or person so immaterial I can't think what else to add to it. Wint and Kidd on the other hand, Yes they had more screentime, but outstanding and fun villains they were. It's one main reason why Diamonds are Forever is worth a watch of anyone's time. But even they and the lovely Jill St John still can't keep the film's head above water
I'm actually gonna have to say I like Mr. Kill, and that's saying something.
Yes their plans to kill Bond, while elaborate, were always doomed to failure, such as burying Bond alive in the Nevada desert, but it was so much fun to watch
The ending on the ocean liner with Tiffany Case and Bond is a delight to watch. I would of jumped at the chance to have had them survive in '71 and seen them again in any subsequent releases
And how efficient is Mr Kil? Has more than enough time to cut Jinx's head off but is so inept Bond intervenes before he has even drawn blood. The fact that he shouldve killed Jinx but didnt is more than enough reason for us to hate him.
Kil has less inefficient screen time than Wint and Kidd. And, at least "I'm Mr. Kil" gives me a laugh, while none of Wint and Kidd's dialogue even keeps me interested. I enjoy the actors' interviews on the DVD more.
I think that says a lot more about your sense of humour (I assume youre also a Mrs Browns Boys fan as well?) than it does the quality of Mr Kil as a henchman. Quite probably the worst line in the film - and in DAD that's saying something.
I don't know what "Mrs. Brown's Boys" is, so I can't say anything about that. I never said Mr. Kil was a good henchmen, but at least he did something, honestly. Also, yes, Kil's line is the worst in the film (except maybe some of Miranda Frost's lines in M's office, because she never seems to me like anything other than a Moneypenny replacement in that scene, seriously, her line delivery is so sh*tty it's sad), but I don't think any of Wint and Kidd's lines are funny.
Can't look beyond that but you forgot to mention Jill St John, and also, one or two decent action sequences save it from being a total disaster
I don't think Kil's line was that bad. It simply fails to do anything, was just unnecessary above all else. But Brosnan's reply - 'Now that's a name to die for', was equally insipid. Wint and Kidd had some great dialog, that most won't need any elaboration, I didn't find anything overly bad about it. They were just two fun characters up to some mischief with often amusing outcomes. 'I've smelt that aftershave before - and both times I've smelt a rat'. A quite brilliant ending that year
A British TV show that's somehow done fairly well (awards, etc) when it's average at best.
I see.
That's probably the kindest review I've ever seen of it.
If you imagine a bucket filled with raw sewage, rotten eggs and the rancid entrails of a three week dead dog in televisual form you won't be far out. An absolute insult to the licence payer. Forget Savile it's the fact this garbage is broadcast that the BBC should really have to answer for at a public enquiry.
Mrs Browns Boys is a grate show I don't like it myself not a fan but my mother likes it so if shes watching the show shes is too busy to keep ringing our house phone every five minutes so for keeping my mother off the dam telephone I thank you BBC for Mrs Browns Boys
But if anyone on here wanted to watch it i wouldn't bother
Wint and Kidd were pure gold. Wouldn't want DAF without them.
Exactly... to respond to the original poster: "Which of these two was the worst Bond villains "
"Worst bond villains and Kidd & Wint' shouldn't be in the same sentence.
Sometimes I think, would they have done better in another Bond release ? (around about the same time), but I think Diamonds works well for them
The villain then appears to take the upper hand with a joyful vengeance intent on cracking Bonds psyche and all of his enthusiasm to challenge them.
The villain’s commitments to making Bond suffer, and observe the continuation of events they control from an uncomfortable distance, as they thrive in achieving their aims and maintain course to executing their master plan is wickedly spiteful.
The pressure remains relentless whilst Bond is mentally tortured and subjected to the villains every strategic ploy, this is designed to constantly trip him up; with the final objective desire, and not to be missed, ultimate satisfaction, to destroy him when he is within reach of defeating them.
Mr Kill, sadly failed to intimidate James Bond in Die Another Day; where as Mr Kidd & Mr Wint were skin crawlingly creepy, laced with a perversely and strangely perfumed air, that had the audience not just anticipating from the beginning, but almost desperate to know how Bond was going dispose of them.
I am kind of glad that their end was creative and fitting for a pair that had seen so many others slide off of their mortal coil under such devious circumstances.
From this perspective, this is Bond villainy evil genius… If you truly disliked the Mr Kidd & Mr Wint characters then the film accomplished the desired result.
Mr. Kil on the other hand - meh. We hardly knew you.
But even with their first attempt on Bond, he was as good as dead. It was only the discovery of the fake diamonds that saved Bond.
Attempt #2 though - yes Wint and Kidd blew that one. Leaving Bond to be buried alive in a pipe was rather dicey. However by attempt #3 Bond was on to them, thus they were overmatched. It is Bond afterall that they were dealing with, so they were dead meat, once Bond got a whiff of that aftershave.
Good point re Plenty though. I'm not 100% they did actually kill her, as they did know what Case looked like. Kidd remember liked the look of her as he eyeballed her on the flight to L.A, much to Wint's annoyance.
This is a mystery. They were Blofeld's handpicked assassins, charged with closing the diamond pipleline, so killing Case should have fallen onto their docket.
Maybe they were just so ruthless though, that they killed Plenty, just in case she might be the actual Tiffany Case, in case the Case they saw on the plane was an imposter.
@bondsum. Some very astute observations regarding DAF, from you on this thread.
I too very much appreciate this highly entertaining Bond film. It's one of the smartest and most stylish entries in the series. It's high camp, but also very dark, dangerous and macbre in parts. One also can't underestimate the deft touches provided by Guy Hamilton and Tom Mankiewicz, not to mention the Barry score and Adam's set design (the Whyte House penthouse in particular) and of course another top-notch Bassey title song. Great Bond film. One of the most re-watchable in the series.