SPECTRE: TOP 5 elements "SPECTRE" must have to tackle all criticism that surrounded "SKYFALL"

Ludovico

005 wrote:

One thing I didn't think made sense about Skyfall was the older car model being used, you'd think that it would make him less inconspicuous and unable to blend in with modern cars.

Doesn't M mention it as well?

Getafix

That line was one of the more entertaining ones from the film.

That said, I wasn't happy to see the DB5 again and felt it really took you out of the drama of the moment - too post modern and self-referential.

Ludovico

I liked seeing the DB5, but anyway no it was not inconspicuous but they acknowledged it. And in the state of panic London was it was a minor thing, after all its not like nobody drives classic cars in the UK.

thelivingroyale

I would've been thrilled to see the DB5 if it hadn't been used since the 60s. But it'd been used (recently) since then. GE, TND and CR all had it. This meant that instead of thinking "wow, the DB5!", instead I thought "oh, the DB5, again".

What I don't get is how people justify it by saying "but it's Bond's car!". It was Bond's car in two Sean Connery films. It wasn't in the films for 30 years so why use it now? SF had an excuse because of the anniversary, and it would've been a nice nod, but like I said, seeing it in GE, TND and CR ruined the impact it would've had for me.

Hopefully now it won't be featured again. Leave it in the past where it belongs.

Ludovico

I actually prefer that they use the DB5 with the current gadgets (although some like the radar might be tweaked and modernized) rather than a completely new car with completely new gadgets that are often unbelievable or so scifi-ishly high tech it becomes unexciting. In TND, I would rather have seen Bond in a classical car chace with his DB5 rather than using a remote control in a bleeding car park. Yes, they should not overuse it, but it is still nice to see it.

thelivingroyale

I never mentioned the gadgets, I was just saying that I thought we'd seen way too much of it recently for it's appearance in SF to have the effect they wanted it to. "They should not overuse it" they already have imo.

I thought the remote control car idea in TND was quite a creative idea. It's one of those things where it's implausible, but they just about get away with it because it's fun (like the lotus in TSWLM).

In 2015 it will have been 9 years since CR (the last Bond film to have a brand new Bond car), so I'm hoping Bond 24 has a new car, with some new gadgets. The new Lotus gets my vote.

Ludovico

I hated the remote control car. You have Bond pushing buttons and basically playing videogame in a car park. The whole scene lacked tension, suspense and any sense of danger. And the car was simply doing too much. Give me some good old machine guns any day.

Getafix

Give Bond one of the new Bentleys with some machine guns and a jacuzzi.

thelivingroyale

There has been a flying car invented. I think it'd be a decent idea for a PTS, having Bond escape in one.

Maybe you could have a factory producing them, Bond breaks into there because the owner has been up to some dodgy stuff, he does whatever he's there to do and then when he's escaping he improvises and steals one. There's a short chase and he shoots and shakes off the cars chasing him, then he's coming up to a road block, so he flies off before he smashes into it. Cue title sequence.

Might be a bit OTT for Craig though, even though it's a real car.

thelivingroyale

Here's one I found. Doesn't look like it can fly for long but it'd be enough for Bond to escape. There's also another which I found ages ago and started a thread about

http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/1721/who-would-want-to-see-bond-drive-one-of-these/p1

Risico007

Fleming title

Skyfall was fun but I want a dark tone Like Casino Royale Quantum of Solace license to Kill or From Russia With Love

a Modern Kronsteen for Quantum would be great too

and an all around hard edged SPY thriller for bond 24 would be nice.

Getafix

I think we all love the espionage elements of FRWL and TLD - where you feel Bond is occupying a plausible but still seductive world of intrigue, combined with all the high living etc.

I'm just trying to think of in what context this could be framed these days. Like Judi Dench's M, I do miss the Cold War.

Ludovico

I don't see a flying car for the Craig era. And I wouldn't want one either. We already had one, we had also a submarine car and an invisible car. I say let's stick to machine guns and ejectable seats. Oh and if they have reused the DB5, why not the briefcase of FRWL?

Murdock

Ludovico wrote:

I don't see a flying car for the Craig era. And I wouldn't want one either. We already had one, we had also a submarine car and an invisible car. I say let's stick to machine guns and ejectable seats. Oh and if they have reused the DB5, why not the briefcase of FRWL?

Yes! I'd love another Attache Case for Bond to use on assignment.

talos7

Getafix wrote:

I think we all love the espionage elements of FRWL and TLD - where you feel Bond is occupying a plausible but still seductive world of intrigue, combined with all the high living etc.

Yes

Gustav_Graves

SaintMark wrote:

Getafix wrote:

4EverBonded wrote:

Yes, I enjoyed that article. And if Arnold returns, I am very happy. He really got better and better.

Totally agree. He really got into the swing of things with CR and QoS. And Surrender and You Know My Name are IMHO two of the best songs of the past 25 years.

I am highly amused by the statement that DA got into the swing with CR & QoS, here he had a blank canvas to create a new Bondian theme and he came up with f*ck all, this made both soundtracks for me the most forgetable of the whole franchise. When people talk about either soundtrack they name some tracks but overal both soundtracks are NO better than elevatormusic, really forgetable.

Take Murray Gold he got the gig to write new music for Doctor Who, and that francise has some rabid crazy fans that make the worst of 007 look like total weenies, and he just nailed it. He did some lovely rewrites on the DW theme (DA did as well but that was cr*p imho, gladly they stopped using it) and created a whole new sound for the DW franchise which receives its fair amount of critism but his soundtracks are very well liked.

Now can we just forget DA or even Newman, who did not impress me all that much, and get a new composer that will create a new soundprint for 007. Or do we wait untill Craig buggers off before EON dares to put some creative guts towards some music composing.

One of teh great things I liked about the 007 franchise was the greatness of its musical score which to be honest has been rather bland in the Craig years.

Completely agree. I want Newman back. He added some necessary multi-layered compositions to the franchise, with better use -and more use- of a larger variety of instruments. Not to mention the fact that Newman is a great, crisp conductor too. We can't say that from Arnold. Newman deserved his Oscar nomination for his Bond score. I want him BACK! Hence the topic I made about him: <url>http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/7089/bring-thomas-newman-back-for-bond-24-appreciation-topic/p4#Item_115</url>;

M_Balje

A lot of things are before spoilt to much, but if the movie been much better and get a better release date this not happend.

The views of the movie in The Netherlands of Bond movie double from 1 million to 2 million and theater counts of DAD and must read from the right to the left (DAD 112 Skyfall 211). There be presure to see the movie. I prefer to wait 4-5 weeks, but that is not possible any more since the release no longer be in late November/December (possible to see the movie in January) but October-November/December. With a bit more then 3 weeks, i expect moost people have seen it and can preper on the movie. 23 days ater the release date of 31 October and i get 3 tickets for screentime after 10.00 PM and again not biggest theater room. Bond 24 should get a higher theater count and let stay it that high for 5 weaks, but a theater count of 276 like like Chamber of Secrets in 2002 is those days not possible any more with to much movies.

1. Les spoilers in trailers and pictures
2. Bigger theater count start
3. Bigger theater count stay for 5 weaks
4. Longer in the cinema
5. Back to late November-December release month's.

thelivingroyale

I'd like to see Bond visit Vesper's grave. Could just be a few seconds and it'd be a nice nod, ala Tracy in FYEO.

How I'd do it is that something happens to set up the plot post PTS (think the warheads being stolen in TB or the ship being attacked in TND, something that doesn't involve Bond) and then M calls Bond in, but instead of being on a mission or banging some random girl like he has in past films, he's visiting Vespers grave at the time. He puts some flowers down, answers his phone, then whizzes off to MI6 to recieve his orders.

doubleoego

Physically imposing henchman/men that ideally have a role throughout most of the movie

Brutal, visceral hand to hand combat

Bond to have sexual contact with no less than 3 women

The score to make use if the title theme music as cues during the movie

Bond's character to be relaxed similarly to how he was when he and Vesper first arrived at the hotel Splendid in CR

Gunbarrel at the start

Outside of the MI6 briefing for there to only be 3 or less geographical locations

Glamour. Lots and lots of glitzy glamour

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

thelivingroyale wrote:

I'd like to see Bond visit Vesper's grave. Could just be a few seconds and it'd be a nice nod, ala Tracy in FYEO.

How I'd do it is that something happens to set up the plot post PTS (think the warheads being stolen in TB or the ship being attacked in TND, something that doesn't involve Bond) and then M calls Bond in, but instead of being on a mission or banging some random girl like he has in past films, he's visiting Vespers grave at the time. He puts some flowers down, answers his phone, then whizzes off to MI6 to recieve his orders.

Good idea. Bond does visit it yearly in the Fleming books as well, so it fits.

Ludovico

Shouldn't this move to the wish list?

LeChiffre

I would love the gunbarrel to appear in the middle of the film just to wind everyone up even more!

Pajan005

I'm just happy they still use the gunbarrel

Gustav_Graves

LeChiffre wrote:

I would love the gunbarrel to appear in the middle of the film just to wind everyone up even more!

Or what about:
1st) The gunbarrel
2nd) Cinema commercials
3rd) Pre-Credits sequence
4th) Three trailers from other movies
5th) Main titles
6th) A different design gunbarrel
7th) Rest of the film

:-L

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

LeChiffre wrote:

I would love the gunbarrel to appear in the middle of the film just to wind everyone up even more!

I would truly love that, haha. In the middle of a firefight halfway into the film Bond shoots towards the camera (acting as the perspective of the baddie's crony) and the gun-barrel appears on screen following his gunshot. I'd approve it just to annoy those that take it too seriously.

RSterling

I have grown up with Bond and I'm a huge fan which is why I get worried that sometimes they try too hard to be different.
If a Bond film does not have certain things then all we end up doing is watching just another action film.
If you want action then watch Bourne, Mission Impossible etc but if you want Bond then certain things need to exist.
1. Opening gun barrell at the beginning, this cements the viewer with the reassurance that THIS is Bond.
2. More familiar musical score, the theme tune needs to be used more at key moments, I don't want just another action soundtrack, When bond is doing somethingoutrageous or getting one over on the bad guy, the theme needs to kick in David Arnold was always a fan of this but lost it a tad with QOS.
3. Gadgets, now before we all get on our high horses on this let's not forget how Goldfinger shot the franchise into the stratosphere with a few special gadgets like the DB5 . The same can be said for The Spy Who Loved Me, everyone loves the Lotus sub, I'm not saying Craig's Bond needs anything like that but some nice little toys would be nice to elevate his movies into the same memorable bracket.
4. Blofeld, this has to be a firm staple of the Bond franchise, while not in every film, having him elude Bond would be a nice background storyline.
5. Humour, Bonds wit needs to be brought back a bit, I agree that it should not be silly but as a big Moore fan, this is a great element that still has a place in Bond.
Obviously to add to this we need, exotic locations, beautiful women, manic villains and memorable theme songs.
I feel better for getting that out there...

ThighsOfXenia

I thought Skyfall had some nice lightness of touch to it. I think it's apparent that Mendes and Craig wanted to reintroduce some of the humor and jokes that were somewhat nonexistent throughout QoS.

Definitely agree with you on the score. I always love when the theme tune is scored differently or more simply. Skyfall was such a missed opportunity by Newman because the SF song itself is so beautiful. It was begging to be softly scored out at a few different moments.

0BradyM0Bondfanatic7

I thought Skyfall wasn't dark enough in some spots, actually.

CrabKey

Moorefan007 wrote:

4. Another thing I would like to see, is just a tad more humor in the whole thing, Brosnan had it, the perfect combo of BA and humor. One of the most tiring things for me watching Craig as Bond is that I just don't see a whole lot of personality. I understand he is going for that whole strong but silent type thing but there has to be character development otherwise it just gets boring.

The problem with the humor is that it is hard to take seriously anything that happens to Bond. The humor erases his fear and impending danger. Connery did it very well. Moore and Brosnan played it so much lighter that it took away much of the suspense involving the character. The humor never fit Dalton. Bond's character development is not dependent on his humor evolving.

doubleoego

One of the things that bugged me about SF was the lack of visceral fist fights. I want 007 to engage in kill or be killed type fights. I've even used in other threads fight scenes in the show Hannibal as an example of the sort of intensity and violence conveyed for fight the Bond movies should be aiming for and not the boring basic stuff we got in SF.