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Continuation novel is not "original source".
That is very true, bad writing of me. What I meant was that I'd like EON to show more apreciation for the literary character from Fleming, which I feel they don't do anymore at all. For me the continuation novels is an extended arm of the Fleming universe, while the movie series is it's own thing. So for me, by using continuation material they would show interest in both the Fleming creation and the literary universe as a whole.
I enjoyed Carte Blanch's story on the whole. What I didn't like was how Deaver almost completely changed the character of Bond and turned him into someone I could barely recognise, who, along with other things, shamelessly took s**t from women.
I think there's two potential issues with it, the first one the main reason why it did not happen and probably won't: 1)Royalties, 2)the controversial nature of any continuation regarding canonical work.
They did use elements of the continuations before SP but never explicitly, which I think is as far as they'll go.
I agree, although I would add that the films seem to be better when they go back to Fleming (and Babs is on record that her father essentially told her "when in doubt, go back to Fleming").
I think that most serious fans would agree that the best sections of FYEO, OP, TLD, and LTK are lifted directly from Fleming. Alone in this era, AVTAK suffers because of a lack of Fleming. Among the later films, CR is in a class of its own thanks to the Fleming material it incorporates.
There was an opportunity to use some material from the QoS short story in QoS--perhaps in Green's piano teacher speech? Or with Mathis on the plane? Or with Leiter in Bolivia?--and frankly, I wish they had.
SF and SP are more Bond-movie pastiche than Fleming, much like GE and TND before them. And TWINE and DAD? More like a fever dream.
I think I advocated that myself (on another Bond forum) after seeing QoS in the cinema in November 2008. Mathis' speech would have been the perfect place to have slotted that in. Yet another missed opportunity to neatly incorporate some Fleming into the films but I think the script was mostly written before the QoS title was appended to it almost as an afterthought.
Hopefully this is sarcasm?
I assumed so too.
There's actually a lot of Fleming material in AVTAK, GE, SF and SP. Even DAD which I hate and hate to admit.
Ah, I'm sorry, in a world where people believed Bond 24 would be called "Come and Dive"(and were subsequently astonished when they found out it wouldn't) and claime the code name theory is true I can't help but wonder whether certain statements are true or are not. ;)
Exactly. Thank you.
Surely I'm not the only person who thinks that the "Trigger" scene in TLD was the best Bond film scene since the ending of OHMSS. The more Fleming, the better.
I realize that Eon keeps being "inspired" by bits and pieces of the MR novel (GE and DAD in particular, but also SF and arguably QoS), but when they finally get around to a faithful MR adaptation, it will likely be better than those efforts.
The thing is MR might be the most "adapted" Bond novel. Or plundered if you prefer. I'd love a faithful adaptation... But wonder what has not been used.
Well, the bridge game, Gala Brand, Krebs, and the blowtorch bit, to name a few. I also think that Drax could be rebooted and played a lot more faithfully to the novel.
I realize that P&W have gone back and used elements "inspired by" MR several times--the sword fight, the falling cliff, and the Frost character in DAD; the gun range scene and London settings in SF; even the bald henchmen in TWINE (and GE owes a lot to MR too)--but I still think there is enough left in the narrative momentum of the novel particularly on the emotional/national pride side to warrant a closer adaptation.
Also, arguably, the fiery climax and the chaste relationship with Camille. The coda is 007 in New York (and part The Bourne Supremacy, let's be honest).
I have mixed feelings about P&W and often I think their fanboy "Fleming checklist" approach misses the mark, as opposed to the actual Flemingesque emotional throughline that Haggis provided in CR (and probably QoS--I'd bet that Haggis is responsible for all the Mathis scenes there).
There's a good reason for that - it's not in the MR novel but only the film version.
Mathis' comment about the bad guys and good guys being interchangeable is in the CR novel, but it's Bond who says it. I've got the book here and he says "When one's young, it seems very easy to distinguish between right and wrong, but as one gets older it seems more difficult" and goes on to say, that later in life, "the villains and heroes get mixed up". I can't remember Mathis' exact quote, (it was at the Villa, wasn't it?), but it sounds like an almost exact lift.
"Well, oddly, right now, you're the only person
I think I can trust".
"That is odd. But I guess when one's young, it seems very easy
to distinguish between right and wrong. But as one gets older,
it becomes more difficult. The villains and the heroes
get all mixed up".
It's exact. Looks like they were mining the CR book for this bit, it'd be interesting to see what else they considered using on the plane scene.