India Locations Cancelled [Was: 'India Locations Selected']

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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    And there's more:

    The 23rd Bond film will be shot in places like New Delhi’s Sarojini Nagar Market, Old Delhi’s Daryaganj, railway yards near Ahmedabad, Mumbai’s crowded business areas and, of course, the sun-kissed beaches of Goa.

    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/editorial/dc-comment/007-coming-595

    Speaking about the shooting of Bond in India, railway minister Dinesh Trivedi said, "I don't understand why people would not want to help when they can. The maximum time any department can take to decide on whether a permission can be granted or not is a week. All it took was a mail from the film unit and I responded immediately. I had a meeting with the unit and told them that I have three conditions. I can't compromise on the safety, security and punctuality issues. Firstly, I have to look into the safety of the train and the people concerned. Secondly, I don't wish to inconvenience the common people. Thirdly, I can't compromise on the image of India in front of the world. I was shown a dummy that had a photo of many people riding on the roof of a train. Now, that's no longer the truth in India because it would mean there are many ticketless travellers. I wouldn't want such depiction in the film because that isn't true. The unit has agreed to it too. I have been told that it will take a week to see if things can be worked out."

    Trivedi has also broached the topic of getting James Bond to be the brand ambassador of the Indian Railways. "I would want Daniel Craig to be the brand ambassador of Indian Railways. It could be just one line where he does the endorsement. He might just stand in front of an engine and talk about the Indian Railways," Trivedi adds.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hollywood/news-interviews/Bond-to-be-face-of-rlys/articleshow/9814501.cms
  • edited August 2011 Posts: 1,894
    BOND 23 isn't the only film production that has been having trouble getting permission in India. Christopher Nolan had to wait seven months to get permission for an aerial filming unit to shoot in Jodhpur for THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. And apparently Brad Bird and the MISSION IMPOSSIBLE - GHOST PROTOCOL crew had difficulty getting their permissions as well.
    I could care less about the main bridge of concern (the Konkan one). It's not like it's blow-your-mind cool or anything.
    The script might specifically call for a bridge.
    Just get that darned scenery in there.
    I'd much rather they get a good story without the scenery than the good scenery without a story.
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    With so many shooting locations in India, I'm starting to wonder: will South Africa (and China) be in the movie at all? Either way, it looks like India will be the main location of Bond 23.
  • oh good, a sort of Octopussy II then

    I was wondering just now which Bond movie featured the most different locations in one release, could be Moonraker but I never gave it that much thought to be honest
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    With so many shooting locations in India, I'm starting to wonder: will South Africa (and China) be in the movie at all?
    China is still unconfirmed, but I see no reason why it and South Africa could not be in the film simply because there are a lot of locations within India that are being used.
  • JamesPageJamesPage Administrator, Moderator, Director
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    Indian railway minister Dinesh Trivedi has taken a personal initiative to sort out the impasse surrounding the final shooting permissions that the 23rd James Bond film requires to secure all of the locations they plan to film. With the I&B Ministry green-lighting the film to shoot in the country, the final piece of the puzzle is Indian Railways, as the Bond 23 crew need to find suitable track to shoot stunt sequences without affecting the busy lines and risking public safety.

    What could they possibly want in return? How about Daniel Craig becoming the brand ambassador of Indian Railways?

    On Monday afternoon, Trivedi met with India Take One Productions, who are working for EON Productions on Bond 23 in the country. Parvesh Sahni, the line producer, told the Times of India, "It all happened after Calcutta Times brought it to the notice of the railway minister. On Monday afternoon, he took time out for me and we discussed the possibilities of blocking the tracks in Ahmedabad and Goa for Craig to shoot the stunt sequences. The response has been very positive. The minister told us he is a huge James Bond fan and would certainly not want this movie to shift its shooting location from India to South Africa."

    Trivedi said, "My brief to my department is that we should try to facilitate the shooting without compromising on certain issues." Indian Railways promises help for Bond shoot

    Speaking about the shooting of Bond in India, Trivedi said, "I don't understand why people would not want to help when they can. The maximum time any department can take to decide on whether a permission can be granted or not is a week. All it took was a mail from the film unit and I responded immediately. I had a meeting with the unit and told them that I have three conditions. I can't compromise on the safety, security and punctuality issues. Firstly, I have to look into the safety of the train and the people concerned. Secondly, I don't wish to inconvenience the common people. Thirdly, I can't compromise on the image of India in front of the world. I was shown a dummy that had a photo of many people riding on the roof of a train. Now, that's no longer the truth in India because it would mean there are many ticketless travellers. I wouldn't want such depiction in the film because that isn't true. The unit has agreed to it too. I have been told that it will take a week to see if things can be worked out."

    Trivedi has also broached the topic of getting James Bond to be the brand ambassador of the Indian Railways. "I would want Daniel Craig to be the brand ambassador of Indian Railways. It could be just one line where he does the endorsement. He might just stand in front of an engine and talk about the Indian Railways."
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2011 Posts: 15,718
    much rather they get a good story without the scenery than the good scenery without a story.
    We have totally different views, it seems. :-S Bond without scenery just isn't Bond. I don't care about a good story if there's no good scenery... So, shadow, I wouldn't give you the keys to make any Bond film in the future !
  • Posts: 1,894
    You would happily watch a film if it was just pretty pictures and no plot? Did you like SUCKER PUNCH by any chance?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2011 Posts: 15,718
    You would happily watch a film if it was just pretty pictures and no plot? Did you like SUCKER PUNCH by any chance?
    Haven't seen that film. But please don't take my views to the extreme...

  • Posts: 1,894
    Well, it's all pretty pictures and no discernable plot.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Well, it's all pretty pictures and no discernable plot.
    Did I say I didn't want any plot ?
  • Posts: 1,894
    I didn't say that. I said there is no *discernable* plot. There's a plot in there; you just need a PhD to understand it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I didn't say that. I said there is no *discernable* plot. There's a plot in there; you just need a PhD to understand it.
    What I meant was - I wouldn't want or enjoy a Bond film with good plot and no good scenery, just like I wouldn't enjoy a Bond film with no plot and just good scenery... I'm just saying that I prefer EON to put more thought in the scenery than just the plot.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Children, give it a rest.
    Why is it that you two can't just ignore each other?
    Enough of this arguing, over nothing. Give it a rest already. I'm fed up of you two disrupting topics, with your pointless bickering.
  • Posts: 1,894
    I don't think it's really bickering so much as repeatedly misunderstanding what the other is posting.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2011 Posts: 13,355
    The railway ministry has given the go-ahead. Thank You India!

    Extending its hospitality to the super spy, the railway ministry has given the go-ahead for the shooting of the next James Bond film on its properties, with riders.

    Sources said though Railways Minister Dinesh Trivedi was "positive" on the next Bond film being shot on Indian Railways properties, he wanted no "inconvenience to the passengers" in the process.

    According to ministry officials, film production company Take 1, which had sought permission to shoot for the next Bond film on rail tracks, submitted a final list of two locations each in Ahmedabad, Mumbai and Goa Aug 30.

    What was worrying the ministry was the request of the company for "locking off the lines for seven-eight hours a day for seven days in a row". This would require train schedules to be reworked, said officials.

    "We have asked the zonal railways to examine their requirements and get back to us. Whatever help is needed by them will be given," Chandralekha Mukherjee, executive director, information and publicity, railway ministry, told reporters Thursday.

    She said the company had been told that during the shooting, it should not stop traffic, inconvenience passengers and pay all the dues to the local railway offices in case of damages to railway property.

    She said providing a special train and doing some work in the coaches, as desired by the film production company, was not a problem.

    Representatives of company recently met the minister in this regard, said sources.

    The company intimated the railways it plans to shoot the Bond film in February-March 2012. The initial request for the shoot had come July 20 this year.

    Officials said they want to be associated with the Bond film as it would get international publicity to the Indian Railways.

    They said usually the ministry granted permission to around 15 such requests in a month but this one had generated a hype as it involved an internationally popular character.

    Daniel Craig, who has starred as British spy James Bond in earlier films ‘Casino Royale’ and ‘Quantum of Solace’, will play the secret agent in the new film tentatively titled ‘Bond 23.’

    http://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/articles/story95430.htm

    An official at the films division of India's information and broadcasting ministry told AFP permission to film the movie was granted on August 25.

    And India's railways ministry confirmed the makers of the as-yet untitled movie, currently known as "Bond 23", had applied to shoot in Mumbai, Ahmedabad and the resort state of Goa.

    Shooting is planned for February and March next year, said Chandralekha Mukherjee, railway executive director of publicity, rejecting reports that the ministry had denied permission to film a sequence on the network.

    "There's no dispute. The only issue is that we can't obviously stop trains and inconvenience passengers," she said.

    "The only issue now is to decide what are going to be the points where the shooting will happen. We're looking into it."

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gb-neArG5QlbyZH53SJ_31cS45hg?docId=CNG.faa7076ee940283688916c2ee187655c.391

    Some train stunts are to be shot in Konkan railways, Sabarmati in Gujarat and a couple of other locations falling under the jurisdiction of South Western railway, said an official in the Railway ministry.

    The official said that letters have already been sent to the General Managers of Konkan railway, Western and South Western railway to allow the shooting of the film. India Take One productions, which is handling the film's production in the country, refused to divulge any details.

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bond-23-gets-a-go-ahead-to-shoot-in-india/180418-8-67.html

    Production company EON could not confirm details of the shooting schedule or locations, telling the BBC that the film was "still in pre-production".

    Pravesh Sahni, one of the film's line producers, told the Delhi Times newspaper that Sam Mendes preferred to shoot in Mumbai over the capital, Delhi.

    "They wanted to capture Indian streets to show crowded lanes," he was quoted as saying by the paper.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14743542

    So the shoot now seems to be a month later than planned but it'll still be done it appears. Also as expected, they'll be work done inside as well as outside of the trains.

    The original, likely Indian, source of this news seems to be difficult to find.
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    amazing. so when are the going to begin filming all together and where?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    amazing. so when are the going to begin filming all together and where?
    Filming begins in November at Pinewood on the 007 Stage.

    In January they'll fly off to South Africa I'd guess, followed by India, maybe China then back to Pinewood to finish off.

    That's just my thoughts though, I may be completely wrong.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I'm surprised the news of the railway ministry giving the OK hasn't been posted on MI6. I know the locations are still to be decided but it's important news nonetheless.
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    agreed... I just am happy the news seems to be coming once a week instead of 8 months and nothing.
  • I'll second that motion!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    It says here the film will see Bond "fighting the villain on the roof of an Indian train somewhere in Goa, before the train falls into a sea." Could be true and jives with what we now know.

    "We told him travelling on the train-roof is illegal. Also, viewers around the world may feel this is way passengers travel on Indian trains". As for that quote it's stupid. Would there be anyone that honestly thinks this?

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfeed/NewDelhi/James-Bond-Railways-new-brand-ambassador/Article1-740973.aspx

    As for the stunt sequence, I hope it's shot in such a way we get all the excitement and atmosphere it aims to create, eg. not like a lot of the stuff from the past few films. Octopussy 2 here, would be most welcome.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Like the sound of this >

    The sequence will see 007 jump a speeding motorcycle on to the roof of a moving train, run along the roof on foot, and then leap to another moving train. Due to sequence ending with Bond jumping off the second train in to a large body of water below the tracks, producers had requested to shoot in Sabarmati in Gujarat or Goa.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_report_aug11e.php3?s=bond23&id=02941

    I just hope there's little or no cgi involved in this sequence. Don't want another Bond and Camille plane fight and parachute jump again.
  • tqbtqb
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    No joke at all, ever since i was a little kid i imagined an action scene where Bond rode a motorcycle ontop of a train, i feel like they stole my idea!
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    awesome idea i can't wait to see it!
  • Posts: 1,894
    I just hope there's little or no cgi involved in this sequence. Don't want another Bond and Camille plane fight and parachute jump again.
    It is possible. Before she was cast in TOMORROW NEVER DIES, Michelle Yeoh was known for her action roles in China and Hong Kong. One of them had a stunt where she rode a motorcycle off a bridge, onto the roof of a train and down its length. To make things more complicated, the train and bike were travelling in opposite directions. It's pretty much the most dangerous stunt that could be performed.
  • It is possible. Before she was cast in TOMORROW NEVER DIES, Michelle Yeoh was known for her action roles in China and Hong Kong. One of them had a stunt where she rode a motorcycle off a bridge, onto the roof of a train and down its length. To make things more complicated, the train and bike were travelling in opposite directions. It's pretty much the most dangerous stunt that could be performed.
    Didn't she also break her arm doing that stunt? You have to love the lack of safety rules and insurance restrictions on films that are filmed in some places...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @thelordflasheart, just watch Jackie Chan's films from the 80's. Almost all of the credits involve him screwing up a stunt and getting badly injured or coming close to death.

    As to the sequence involved on the train for Bond 23, sounds very good to me.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited September 2011 Posts: 24,187
    Like the sound of this >

    The sequence will see 007 jump a speeding motorcycle on to the roof of a moving train, run along the roof on foot, and then leap to another moving train. Due to sequence ending with Bond jumping off the second train in to a large body of water below the tracks, producers had requested to shoot in Sabarmati in Gujarat or Goa.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_report_aug11e.php3?s=bond23&id=02941

    I just hope there's little or no cgi involved in this sequence. Don't want another Bond and Camille plane fight and parachute jump again.
    You expressed my deepest fear, @Benny.

    If they pull it off with little or - preferably - no CGI, audiences might gasp for air like they did with the crane jumping in CR. Impressive stunts are one of the Bond film's calling cards and since quality seeking people also attend a new 007 screening, the 'real' stuff adds to the implicit promotion of a Bond film.

    If, however, we get an obvious mixture of blue screens and CGI, it won't be impressive at all, no matter how hard they try. It'll be like Sucker Punch, or like Tomb Raider. We don't want that, do we? We want Bond 23 to be infinitely better than these films. In . Every . Possible . Sense!

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    You expressed my deepest fear, @Benny.

    If they pull it off with little or - preferably - no CGI, audiences might gasp for air like they did with the crane jumping in CR. Impressive stunts are one of the Bond film's calling cards and since quality seeking people also attend a new 007 screening, the 'real' stuff adds to the implicit promotion of a Bond film.

    If, however, we get an obvious mixture of blue screens and CGI, it won't be impressive at all, no matter how hard they try. It'll be like Sucker Punch, or like Tomb Raider. We don't want that, do we? We want Bond 23 to be infinitely better than these films. In . Every . Possible . Sense!

    Every time I saw Casino Royale, people would gasp at that crane jump, or let out an barely audible 'Oh my god...', and damn it, that is how an action scene should be. The second and third time I saw that scene, the audience reaction was triggering my goosebumps!

    And here is the thing about blue screen and CGI: it will be used during that train scene, I have no question about it. But if they can keep it hidden and use it subtly, I will not have a problem. I'm sure there will be close ups of Bond and assailants for which I'm all but convinced they will have to use a blue screen. (Hey, Octopussy did!) But they will cross the line if they begin to CG the people on top of the train, Bond included (damn you, Die Another Day). Sam Mendes and company should know that when put against a realistic background, which Bond films almost always are, CGI stands out like a sore thumb. You can get away with it with films like 'Avatar' because the whole freaking setting is faked, resulting in that the CGI all blends together. However, when you film something 'for real' and put computer effects in after, they better be small or the audience will pick up on it. The bottom line is: I want the action to look as real and convincing as possible; CGI can be used, but only if it is hidden and collaborating with the scene. CGI (at least in a Bond film) should never BE the whole scene.
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