The name's 25. Bond 25, or rather, it's NTTD.

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  • edited August 2019 Posts: 1,661
    Of all the titles Eon must have had, they went with 'die'! Look at all the titles suggested on this thread, they're not all "blah blah blah DIE!" There's a lot of variety.

    To go with die when it's been done three times before.... it really is astonishing. But Eon moved the gun barrel and Craig's first was in a toilet so perhaps this title is just "more of the same wacky stuff" from Eon. I don't mean to be ultra-critical but an unoriginal title is an unoriginal title. Fan that I am, I have to be honest in my opinion.


  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    But Eon moved the gun barrel and Craig's first was in a toilet so perhaps this title is just "more of the same wacky stuff" from Eon.
    And Brosnan Bond also pretty much started in a toilet. If it's worth noting.

    Die may be overused but it's relevant.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    What a reversal. Five years ago I was one of only a very few that what were happy with the title SPECTRE (of course I hated the actual film). Now I seem in a very small group disliking this current one.

    I don't like it either. It sounds like a third-rate continuation novel.

    "No Time..." So far, so good...

    But then comes the clunker: "...To Die."

    It didn't have to be Fleming, but where's the flair?

    No Time For Goodbyes, maybe?

    What a missed opportunity.
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    What a reversal. Five years ago I was one of only a very few that what were happy with the title SPECTRE (of course I hated the actual film). Now I seem in a very small group disliking this current one.

    We're in the minority but not a very small group, I hope. There's currently a poll on the Commander Bond forum regarding the title, with the following results:

    43% "Like it"
    35% "I'm not sure, bit generic?"
    10% "It Will Grow on Me"
    8% "I've No TIME For It. Do You see What I Did There?"
    4% "Remain"

    So the majority over there is actually not crazy about it. The "Like It" category might be larger on this board, but tant pis.

    I don’t do Twitter, but I watched the the Bond Bulletin’s review and they said the general Twitter consensus was negative.

    It’s a generic title and as soon as I saw Die I came on here expecting people to be bored with the repetition. I’m glad so many like it and feel positive. I don’t get the Fleming vibes some are getting because its 4 words.

    It’s surprising how opinion is split on this. Positive here, negative on Cbn. Positive on YouTube reviews and comments, negative on social media.

    It’s meh for me. But I remain positive for the movie.
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 5,767
    matt_u wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Fleming used the term "Die" in one title, and now it seems to have become the fall back word. With that and the continuation of elements from SP, they're batting 1000 with me.

    NTTD doesn't sounds like ANY other Craig era films. You should blame the Brosnan era, since both TND and DAD are quite awful and less meaningful titles than NTTD.
    Agreed.




    Then the pluses you suggested for No Time To Die, as applied to Craig or hopefully more Bond not having time to die. The mission!
    Excellent point, sir! TND and DAD imply nothing like this.


    echo wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    What a reversal. Five years ago I was one of only a very few that what were happy with the title SPECTRE (of course I hated the actual film). Now I seem in a very small group disliking this current one.

    I don't like it either. It sounds like a third-rate continuation novel.

    "No Time..." So far, so good...

    But then comes the clunker: "...To Die."

    It didn't have to be Fleming, but where's the flair?

    No Time For Goodbyes, maybe?

    What a missed opportunity.
    Oh great, can´t get enough of more Bond melodrama.
  • RC7RC7
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    vzok wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    What a reversal. Five years ago I was one of only a very few that what were happy with the title SPECTRE (of course I hated the actual film). Now I seem in a very small group disliking this current one.

    We're in the minority but not a very small group, I hope. There's currently a poll on the Commander Bond forum regarding the title, with the following results:

    43% "Like it"
    35% "I'm not sure, bit generic?"
    10% "It Will Grow on Me"
    8% "I've No TIME For It. Do You see What I Did There?"
    4% "Remain"

    So the majority over there is actually not crazy about it. The "Like It" category might be larger on this board, but tant pis.

    I don’t do Twitter, but I watched the the Bond Bulletin’s review and they said the general Twitter consensus was negative.

    It’s a generic title and as soon as I saw Die I came on here expecting people to be bored with the repetition. I’m glad so many like it and feel positive. I don’t get the Fleming vibes some are getting because its 4 words.

    It’s surprising how opinion is split on this. Positive here, negative on Cbn. Positive on YouTube reviews and comments, negative on social media.

    It’s meh for me. But I remain positive for the movie.

    Why Twitter is used as a barometer for anything is beyond me. It’s just individuals bellowing into the ether. 90% of it crying about how sh*te something is.

    The opinion of someone who has made the effort to post on a forum or visit a dedicated page should carry a little more weight in reading the genuine reaction in my opinion, whether positive or negative - so here, CBn etc. I noticed the James Bond Radio Facebook poll which is just shy of 1000 votes (so pretty hefty) is 73% Love - 27% Don’t Know/Don’t Like.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited August 2019 Posts: 4,515
    Very much like On Time To Die note, shame that is not title. Also you can say then Bond is ON, whyle he should be off. I like letter type, with the 0's i must think about Paracetamol and can imagine there can let them roll. With the Teaser I must think about windows and blocks, bulding feeling. Nice represting of Daniel era.

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2019 Posts: 4,343
    Well, it looks like one of the other options for the 25th Bond title was A DAY TO DIE.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-25-title-no-time-to-die?id=04546

    The definitely wanted to put the "die" word in the title.

    A Reason to Die
    A Day to Die
    No Time to Die

    boldfinger wrote: »
    Agreed.

    Plus, I don't understand why people are so adamant saying NTTD reminds "Brosnan". Just because half of Brozza's entries had die in it? Superficial.

    Truth is No Time to Die has a more noirish, dangerous and vintage vibe to it - something that the logo font elevates pretty well - that reminds far more of Fleming's masterful Live and Let Die than the two Brosnan more videogamish, well, Nineties titles, without mentioning that its closet cousin is LALD with four words, four syllables, both ending in die.
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    I don't see why people on here see TND as a fan-fiction title.

    It refers to the newspaper 'Tomorrow' and the power it has that cant be broken or killed.

    Very relevant to the film.

    Hopefully NTTD will somehow do the same.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    BTW where's @Pierce2Daniel?

    Still mourning that one of your titles hasn't been chosen by EoN? :D
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 4,044
    matt_u wrote: »
    Well, it looks like one of the other options for the 25th Bond title was A DAY TO DIE.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-25-title-no-time-to-die?id=04546

    The definitely wanted to put the "die" word in the title.

    A Reason to Die
    A Day to Die
    No Time to Die

    boldfinger wrote: »
    Agreed.

    Plus, I don't understand why people are so adamant saying NTTD reminds "Brosnan". Just because half of Brozza's entries had die in it? Superficial.

    Truth is No Time to Die has a more noirish, dangerous and vintage vibe to it - something that the logo font elevates pretty well - that reminds far more of Fleming's masterful Live and Let Die than the two Brosnan more videogamish, well, Nineties titles, without mentioning that its closet cousin is LALD with four words, four syllables, both ending in die.

    Hard to believe they were considering A (Good) Day To Die (Hard)

    Wasn't Die Another Day a take on a line from a poem. "Lives to fight another day" or something. Plus as Baz suggests TND makes perfect sense in regard to the plot. I don't find either of those to be horrible titles. I think NTTD is just going back to the "die" well and so doesn't seem that original. I don't hate it, it's middling. I love a noir movie, but for me NTTD doesn't evoke any of that.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Well, it looks like one of the other options for the 25th Bond title was A DAY TO DIE.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-25-title-no-time-to-die?id=04546

    The definitely wanted to put the "die" word in the title.

    A Reason to Die
    A Day to Die
    No Time to Die

    boldfinger wrote: »
    Agreed.

    Plus, I don't understand why people are so adamant saying NTTD reminds "Brosnan". Just because half of Brozza's entries had die in it? Superficial.

    Truth is No Time to Die has a more noirish, dangerous and vintage vibe to it - something that the logo font elevates pretty well - that reminds far more of Fleming's masterful Live and Let Die than the two Brosnan more videogamish, well, Nineties titles, without mentioning that its closet cousin is LALD with four words, four syllables, both ending in die.

    "A Day To Die" would have been too much to handle, I'm afraid. After "Die Another Day"... That's like using "My Love For A Spy", "The Finger Of Gold", "The Ball of Thunder", "Let The Dying Live", "The Gun with the Golden Man", "No, Doctor!" (which sounds like a '70s porn flick anyway ;-) ), "Kill To View" and "The Fall of the Sky". :)
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I don't see why people on here see TND as a fan-fiction title.

    It refers to the newspaper 'Tomorrow' and the power it has that cant be broken or killed.

    Very relevant to the film.

    Hopefully NTTD will somehow do the same.

    I agree, @barryt007. At least I want the title to receive some kind of a meaning.

    1) CR --> obvious.
    2) QOS --> it wasn't made explicit, but given Bond's (and Camille's) emotional states, implicitly clear.
    3) SF --> well, it's a house... and apparently a major trigger for Bond (word association game) but otherwise unclear to me what's so important about it
    4) SP --> obvious.
    5) NTTD --> ??
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    As one of maybe two here who was vocal about wanting to see a return to those titles with die, gold, eyes etc., I must say, I'm utterly stoked by this news! To those who hoped we'd never see such titles again (as if):
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    Is the NTTD logo font a nod to LALD? Previously seen on various LALD Schick adverts, except the 'N' is slightly different. One example here:

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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited August 2019 Posts: 25,092
    QBranch wrote: »
    As one of maybe two here who was vocal about wanting to see a return to those titles with die, gold, eyes etc., I must say, I'm utterly stoked by this news! To those who hoped we'd never see such titles again (as if):
    2e2791c5df715eb8fec9e6b8a52e608cc23bb8402f6a28aea90d0844efa2791e.jpg


    Is the NTTD logo font a nod to LALD? Previously seen on various LALD Schick adverts, except the 'N' is slightly different. One example here:

    48590612621_c733d180f1_z.jpg

    Good spot, NTTD alludes to quite a lot of Bond related history I am happy with it.
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 1,661
    I can imagine the scene when they came up with the title. None of Eon's writing team could think up anything remotely fresh or exciting or with subtext and someone suggested "how about something with die in it?" And Babs said "yeah, let do that!"

    They came up with the following titles:

    A DAY TO DIE

    ALWAYS LIVE TO DIE

    NEVER SAY DIE

    A REASON TO DIE

    MG Wilson was getting bored and looked at his watch.

    "I know, how about NO TIME TO DIE?"

    Babs smiled and said "brilliant, Michael!" You're a genius!"


    ;))
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I can imagine the scene when they came up with the title. None of Eon's writing team could think up anything remotely fresh or exciting or with subtext and someone suggested "how about something with die in it?" And Babs said "yeah, let do that!"

    They came up with the following titles:

    A DAY TO DIE

    ALWAYS LIVE TO DIE

    NEVER SAY DIE

    A REASON TO DIE

    MG Wilson was getting bored and looked at his watch.

    "I know, how about A TIME TO DIE?"

    Babs smiled and said "brilliant, Michael!" You're a genius!"


    ;))

    (Sarcasm is often derided as the lowest form of wit, however its effectiveness at cutting through the bullsh**t and telling it how it is, should not be underestimated!) :D

    Are you being sarcastic or?

    I'm a little confused.
  • Posts: 1,661
    Yes, I am being sarcastic. No offence meant.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    As a Bond title 'No Time To Die' works. It's not overly clever or inventive, but it works a s a title for a James Bond film. I like it, and am fine with it.
    It's not something I tend to dwell on too much, but I can understand why some of our members find it bland and not quite up to expectations.
    As titles go, Tomorrow Never Lies would've been a better title than the one we got. (If the rumour of the typo is to be believed.)
    Die Another Day is a weak title too me, but it fits the film.
    Quantum Of Solace as a title just doesn't work. It's terrible reason to shoehorn an un-used Fleming title into the series. Most people outside the Bond world have / had no idea what a quantum of solace was or is.
    I think No Time To Die is solid enough to be acceptable to general moviegoers, and fans alike. Obviously you cant please all of the people all of the time.
  • Posts: 12,466
    No Time to Die was definitely the best choice over A Reason to Die and A Day to Die - the last of which I would not have liked (too similar to DAD). It’s not a 10/10 title, but of all the non-Fleming related titles, it’s my second favorite after SF, and I think it’s perfectly Bondian and a nice changeup for a Craig era title (I was pretty worried we were going to see a third straight one-word title).
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Daniel Craig
    is
    Ian Fleming's James Bond 007
    in
    Nobody Can Write A Decent Title
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    No Time to Die was definitely the best choice over A Reason to Die and A Day to Die - the last of which I would not have liked (too similar to DAD). It’s not a 10/10 title, but of all the non-Fleming related titles, it’s my second favorite after SF, and I think it’s perfectly Bondian and a nice changeup for a Craig era title (I was pretty worried we were going to see a third straight one-word title).

    I generally like one-word titles,
    • Goldfinger
    • Thunderball
    • Moonraker
    • Octopussy
    • GoldenEye,
    as most of these are really good, Fleming(-related) titles. That said,
    • Skyfall
    • Spectre,
    ... yeah, some change was needed. I think NTTD is a good return to the more classic titles people automatically associate with Bond. Generic, lazy, uninspired, ...? Yes, I agree. But for once, I don't necessarily think that's necessarily a bad thing for B25, a film that may have to win audience confidence back in a hard way.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
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    echo wrote: »
    Daniel Craig
    is
    Ian Fleming's James Bond 007
    in
    Nobody Can Write A Decent Title

    "Daniel Craig
    is
    Ian Fleming's James Bond 007
    in
    Nobody Can Write A Decent Title (To Die)"

    would sound more "bondian" imo...

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    No Time to Die was definitely the best choice over A Reason to Die and A Day to Die - the last of which I would not have liked (too similar to DAD). It’s not a 10/10 title, but of all the non-Fleming related titles, it’s my second favorite after SF, and I think it’s perfectly Bondian and a nice changeup for a Craig era title (I was pretty worried we were going to see a third straight one-word title).

    I generally like one-word titles,
    • Goldfinger
    • Thunderball
    • Moonraker
    • Octopussy
    • GoldenEye,
    as most of these are really good, Fleming(-related) titles. That said,
    • Skyfall
    • Spectre,
    ... yeah, some change was needed. I think NTTD is a good return to the more classic titles people automatically associate with Bond. Generic, lazy, uninspired, ...? Yes, I agree. But for once, I don't necessarily think that's necessarily a bad thing for B25, a film that may have to win audience confidence back in a hard way.

    As someone said before, the line between classic and generic sometimes is very thin.

    NTTD sounds cool and Bondian. I can’t stop thinking about LALD - arguably one of the best Fleming titles, if not the best if you ask me - while looking at it. In the book Bond explains that his motto while dealing with men like Mr. Big is “live and let die”. From this perspective NTTD sounds exactly like a motto that perfectly fits both Bond as a fictional character and the Bond franchise itself. I really love that. Plus, NTTD has both a kind of sense of closure in it and a vintage 50s/60s vibe that I find quite appropriate. Time is also a prominent theme in the Craig era, since both the last two entries dealt with it. If you add the fact that the titles also looks like an homage to a film that meant so much for the team that later brought Bond onscreen, I’d say I’m pretty happy with EoN choice.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited August 2019 Posts: 3,157
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Very disappointed. Fleming used the term "Die" in one title, and now it seems to have become the fall back word. With that and the continuation of elements from SP, they're batting 1000 with me.
    The best thing about Fleming's title is the fact that it's a play on a famous motto as @fanbond123 cleverly remarked.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    , it's much better than most of the suggested titles that have been mooted around here

    That goes without saying, but it still sounds like a computer generated Bond title, or from fan fiction. It means that of the four titles that are unrelated to Fleming or from Fleming (TND, DAD, SF, NTTD), three have the word "DIE" in the title. 3 out of 4; that's a joke.

    To be fair: https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=6071

    My ranking of the titles is the following:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. Quantum of Solace
    3. Skyfall
    4. No Time To Die

    Huge gap

    5. SPECTRE
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    @Walecs Nice find about the DAD title I did not know before!
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 4,044
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  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    I heard yesterday, that before NTTD was announced, that there were rumours about the title being GENOME OF A WOMAN. Just a silly, wrongish rumour?

    Yes.
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