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Apparantly Daniel wanted that title but I think its just another rubbish rumour.
What was that,i cant see the post about it ?
I don't have a problem with die in the title. I thought the rumoured A Reason to Die was actually quite a cool sounding one (to me implied a broken older Bond, coming back for one last mission because he's got nothing else left). But No Time To Die is so much more generic sounding to me. It could be the title of literally any other random Bond knock off. How did they take all this extra time to come up with the title and come up with that.
Let's face it, Bond isn't like a delicate red wine; Bond is like Coca Cola. It's good, old-fashioned entertainment. And what do people do when Coca Cola goes experimental with its brand? They complain.
It think it helps to think of NTTD, not so much as "generic" (as I initially thought) but as "classical Bond" (as I am thinking now). It's not a very original title; in my opinion, it doesn't have to be. "The Second Echo Reverberation" would have been quite original (as in: never ever used before, not even remotely), but it would have been bad! :D
And again, the title is one thing; we have yet to see how the film behind it will turn out. :)
https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=6071 (posted by @Walecs)
I think there's a middle ground though between straying too far from the established framework/formula and sounding like a pastiche. The other original titles I think have towed that line rather well (although I suppose it helps that a couple of them still have roots in Fleming). This one doesn't imo.
Newman's scores didn't go down too well because some people, like myself, thought they were too generic and didn't take enough cues from Barry in some ways (e.g. weaving the theme song throughout). But that doesn't mean I wanted something like TND's score which, while very good, is also very much a Barry pastiche. It just means I wanted something like Arnold's later efforts. Bond sounding but also experimental/different (TWINE/DAD had more electronic influence and QoS, probably his best score imo, had a very dark and ominous sound in places). There's a middle ground between being too different and playing it too safe and I think the same applies to the titles.
Apparently the line "Live to Die Another Day" was found in a letter written by Ian Fleming, thus meaning that the movie was titled after Fleming
Well I didn't know that either,looks like DAD IS actually linked to Fleming.
That will 'one in the face' for all the DAD knockers haha.
Thanks for clearing this up, Sir.
Knockers, @barryt007? ;)
He he.............................................................kinky,major. ;))
Additionally, "NO" may be a reference to Dr. No, probably. If Blofeld can be brought to modern times, so does other iconic villains, like Dr. No and Goldfinger. It will happen, I think, it's just a matter of time.
About the title, being a corruption on (to have) "time to kill", once more then the title is based upon an English Idiomatic expression. In Bond book tradition, there are several examples of this, continuation authors included.
I'm completely on the same page. Not happy with the title whatsoever. If anything it has brought my mood for the film down.
John Gardner, although i'm not a fan of his books, came up with some pretty good titles.
Nobody Lives Forever
Brokenclaw
The Man From Barbarossa
For Special Services
Raymond Benson had a couple of cool ones as well;
The Facts Of Death
Never Dream Of Dying
I know from posts on here that the book itself is apparently crap (I've never read it), but I always thought Devil May Care was a cool title. Genuinely wouldn't mind them nicking that for a film. Everything or Nothing is another good one. Not sure why they decided to waste that on a video game.
I'm just not seeing how No Time to Die could tie into the film in a clever way either, outside of a clunky DAD esque line. That's the only way it could redeem itself imo, if it ties into the film in a cool way. But it just doesn't match up with anything we know about the film so far. Really hoping there's some sort of plot detail that makes it significant and that it isn't as generic as it seems.
Maybe Bond or the villain has some sort of illness and sees themselves as living on borrowed time, wanting to get the job done before they go? I don't know. I thought A Reason to Die was much more fitting.
From Russia to Die
Diefinger
Dieball
You Only Die Twice
On Her Majesty's to Die List
Diemonds Are Forever
Die and Let Die
The Man with the Golden Die
The Spy Who Died
Dieraker
For Your Dies Only
Diepussy
A View to Die
The Dying Daylights
Licence to Die
GoldenDie
Die Never Dies
To Die is not Enough
Die Another Die
Casino Die
Quantum of Die
Diefall
Aaaaaaand relax.
This is gold =))
I agree with your entire post. No Time To Die actually feels like a piss-take title. It's almost as if Eon had looked at online posts about the production problems of Bond 25 and said "**** it, let's come up with the most generic 'die' title we can think of, just to annoy the haters!"
I doubt they thought like that, they're not that superficial or mean-spirited(!) but the title does feel so generic, so cookie-cutter, so unimaginative you can come to a prejudiced opinion that Eon/MGM felt like saying "up yours!" to some of the fans. This does happen for real. Last Jedi director Rian Johnson insulted or bemoaned some of the fans after ep 8 came out, Paul Feig of Ghostbusters 2016 did the same. The director of the new Terminator film went online and had a go at some fans when they accused the film of being too #metoo in tone. I'm not saying NO TIME TO DIE is a deliberate "screw the fans!" decision but it's possible. It's so unimaginative that it beggars belief why Eon didn't go with something more unusual. Put it this way, if you come up with another 'die' title you're just asking for some fans to moan. It's a self-fulfilling scenario. You're asking fans to dislike the very thing you want them to like.
If the title was something abstact, no-one would say "it's so generic, unoriginal!"
Like I said earlier, Shatterhand would have been perfect. It sounds like early 60's Bond (Dr. No, Goldfinger, Thunderball).
But instead we get the most generic of generic titles possible, that even the lamest Bond fan fic would be ashamed of.
It doesn’t matter in the slightest though, because we will go through this all over again for Bond 26 and 27 and 28. At some point they will 100% use Property of a Lady because they will have exhausted everything else and won’t be able to think of anything else.
By 2060 they may even use Death to Spies for Bond 29 or Bond 30, and I hope they do, as it’s my favourite of the current suggestions.
And you really think they’d follow through with ‘Shatterhand’ faithfully? What’s better, a potentially great film with a title you’re unimpressed with, or a title you love but that brings with it a promise they can’t and won’t deliver?
Obviously it's not the direction they're going in now, and so I wouldn't have wanted them to use that title, but I don't see why they "can't" have gone down the YOLT route if they wanted to. Obviously they'd have needed to add more action but all you really need to live up to the 'promise' of Shatterhand as a title is a broken/grieving Bond, an insane Blofeld and the garden of death finale imo. They 100% could have gone down that route as a sequel to SP. They haven't of course, but they easily could have done.
There wasn't an army vs army finale but I think SP was their attempt at giving Craig a 'classic' Bond film. If anything I'd expect them to dial back those elements for this one and go a bit more subversive/different again. He said he was back to go out on a high and to me that implies he wants to go out with a film that gets as good a reaction as CR and SF, which were both quite experimental films in their own way. SP was more old school Bond and didn't get the same sort of reaction. So I can't see a big YOLT finale for this one, I'm expecting them to dial back on the gadgets and one liners and all that stuff too.
I think No Time to Die will just refer to him coming out of retirement for one last battle. He's older but isn't dead yet, he has one more mission to carry out first. I think the reason they scrapped the similar (but infinitely better imo) A Reason to Die for this one is because he's going to die at the end and felt that that title would be too much of a giveaway.
That's good!
It being a nod to the 58 film, and a subliminal message against Bond or the Bond films dying is perfection for me.
I reckon we should set up an MI6 pool on whether he's going to die or not at the end. I genuinely can't see it ending any other way (well, maybe a hint he's alive at the end) but I seem to be in the minority. Most fans don't seem to want to consider the possibility and that to me seems like a nice little moneymaking opportunity ;)
Having said that I was also fairly certain for a while that SP would be the last Craig movie so maybe that isn't such a clever idea, I've been wrong before.
An ambiguous ending would be a better way to do it. And I'd be fine with that, as it is the ending of YOLT, sort of. Let's see ;)
Bond villain Sigmund Shatterhand (actually the son of Blofeld in disguise!) threatens Bond with a gun or death ray or badly made ham sandwich, and says
"You cannot stop me, Mr Bond. The missiles are launched. The countdown has begun to the end of the human race. Look at the clock. It is the time of death!"
"You forget one thing, Shatterhand.... there's no time to die."
"Why do you mention that?"
"Well... it's the name of the film so I thought I should mention it."
;))
Sigmund Shatterhand? lol Analyse this!