The name's 25. Bond 25, or rather, it's NTTD.

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  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Shamelady wrote: »
    I'm still pushing for

    Cicatrice
    The Cicatrice
    Cicatrix
    The Cicatrix

    and I'm willing to let Eon use any or all for a modest sum (and a screen credit for me).

    Sound like uncomfortable medical procedures... :>
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    A title for each of the four actors I would be happy with

    If Daniel Craig does indeed return Blofeld
    If Tom Hiddleston is Bond then The Property of a lady
    If Michael Fassbender is bond The Hildebrand Rarity
    If Tom Hardy is Bond then Risico

    :)
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    I think Fleming's chapter titles offer a more selection than his remaining short stories. Here's a re-post of the better chapter titles:

    A Whisper of Love, A Whisper of Hate

    Cards With a Stranger

    The Eye That Never Sleeps

    We Don't Like Mistakes

    The Job Comes Second

    Death is So Permanent

    The Slaughterer

    The Wizard of Ice

    The Beautiful Lure

    The Killing Bottle

    The Finger on the Trigger

    The Long Scream

    Reflections in a Double Bourbon

    The Pressure Room

    Crime de la Crime

    The Richest Man in History

    Take It Easy Mr. Bond

    How to Eat a Girl

    When the Kissing Stopped

    The Shadower

    The Gambit of Shame

    Death For Breakfast

    Fork Left For Hell!

    Bloodlift

    Hell's Delight

    The Death Collector

    Slay It With Flowers

    The Question Room

    Blood and Thunder

    The Easy Grand

    One other choice is Fleming's original title for OHMSS--The Belles of Hell. It would also supply a catchy title song, since it's a pun on the old World War I marching tune "The Bells of Hell Go Ting-a-ling-a-ling". Since the song is in public domain, the composer can make (and copyright) a modern arrangement with some extra lyrics. Here's the song:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNpoO9yISDw
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited June 2016 Posts: 15,423
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?
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    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...


    Nope I say use fleming's work as much and as often as possible.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    For Whom The Bell Tolls

    Waiting For Godot, And Craig

    To Bond Or Not To Bond

    Turnerbender

    When She Hid Les Stone
  • Posts: 9,843
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.
  • RC7RC7
    edited June 2016 Posts: 10,512
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    Tomorrow Never Dies (Lies as I preferred), The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day are all better titles than TPOAL. It's the epitome of bland. They're all (particularly the latter two) bound to films that the majority of hardcore fans don't rate, so by association are disliked. If they were great films there wouldn't even be a debate.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.
    Neither Risico nor The Property Of A Lady (let alone 007 in New York), are going to work. And The Hildebrand Rarity doesn't have much chance, either.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    Tomorrow Never Dies (Lies as I preferred), The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day are all better titles than TPOAL. It's the epitome of bland. They're all (particularly the latter two) bound to films that the majority of hardcore fans don't rate, so by association are disliked. If they were great films there wouldn't even be a debate.


    The world is not enough is from Fleming himself and sure Fleming did have a few clunkers but since three of them have been used for official titles (are you going to tell me Octopussy the spy who loved me and the living daylights were all better titles then risico?)
  • RC7RC7
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    Tomorrow Never Dies (Lies as I preferred), The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day are all better titles than TPOAL. It's the epitome of bland. They're all (particularly the latter two) bound to films that the majority of hardcore fans don't rate, so by association are disliked. If they were great films there wouldn't even be a debate.


    The world is not enough is from Fleming himself and sure Fleming did have a few clunkers but since three of them have been used for official titles (are you going to tell me Octopussy the spy who loved me and the living daylights were all better titles then risico?)

    Obviously TWINE is Fleming and yes, they're all better titles than Risico. The Spy Who Loved Me is brilliant.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,960
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    What is it that makes 'Skyfall' work as a title for you where the others don't?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    What is it that makes 'Skyfall' work as a title for you where the others don't?
    Yeah, named after a lodge that doesn't appear until the last third of the film.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    What is it that makes 'Skyfall' work as a title for you where the others don't?
    Yeah, named after a lodge that doesn't appear until the last third of the film.
    Regardless, it still has a significance to the story.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    jake24 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    What is it that makes 'Skyfall' work as a title for you where the others don't?
    Yeah, named after a lodge that doesn't appear until the last third of the film.
    Regardless, it still has a significance to the story.

    It has a symbolic significance.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    What is it that makes 'Skyfall' work as a title for you where the others don't?
    Yeah, named after a lodge that doesn't appear until the last third of the film.
    Regardless, it still has a significance to the story.

    It has a symbolic significance.

    Indeed.
    On another note, it seems every other Craig film is named after a geographical location, alternating with an organization.

    Casino Royale - location
    Quantum of Solace - organization
    Skyfall - location
    SPECTRE - organization

    Perhaps Bond 25 will be titled "Garden of Death".
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Yes because die another day and tomorrow never dies were fantastic titles...
    They are. And they are clever ones.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    Last time I checked, James Bond was a Fleming character, so that might be a little tough to do...
    Erm... I think you know the point that I made. ;)

    well we will have to agree to disagree as the only original title I felt worked was Skyfall the rest felt well bland I feel the same way about the post Fleming novel titles as apart from a handful most are just ok.

    What is it that makes 'Skyfall' work as a title for you where the others don't?


    I just like it a bit more I admit this is all subjective but it is clear I am not alone as Risico tends to be the most used title for fan trailers also Michael Fassbender is the most used for fan casting bond in these trailers as he has 2 for Risico and 1 for a Moonraker redo if you can believe it.

    Again for me I like when the title Comes from the man who invented the character I admit it's a personal biasis but we all have those and to assume other wise is silly at the very least
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    Everything or Nothing
    Nobody Lives Forever
    Death to Spies
    Property of a Lady
    The Death Collector
    The Garden of Death
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    Since I firmly believe regardless of the actor the film will be location based here are a few titles that are either locations or could be used as names of locations

    Risico: could be the name of Blofeld private Villa
    The Silver Phantom: climax on a train could be kind of cool honestly
    The Garden of Death: speaks for itself really
    007 in New York: a bland title but Spectre isn't really the most exciting title if they are using a new bond perhaps giving him this much joked about Fleming title wouldn't be the worst thing in the world (though if they use this first out of the 4 remaining I will complain)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I wish I liked the title, but I think '007 in New York' is about as generic as you can get. Fleming or not, it doesn't work for me at all, and sounds like a cheesy installment in an 80's series, like 'Friday the 13th: Jason Takes Manhattan.'
  • Posts: 9,843
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I wish I liked the title, but I think '007 in New York' is about as generic as you can get. Fleming or not, it doesn't work for me at all, and sounds like a cheesy installment in an 80's series, like 'Friday the 13th: Jason Takes Manhattan.'

    I don't love the title however a few fan artists here have done a cool job with it. My post above was more about the pattern I see in bond titles and where it could go rather then what I want (though The Silver Phantom is a cool title heck I named my bachelor party that)

    :)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    007 In New York, with tonight's host of the show, heeeeeeere's Johnny!
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Shatterhand - especially if Blofeld makes an unexpected (?) return!
    or This Time It's Not Personal! or It's Just A Mission, 007
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I'd go for Retaining dedemption
    or
    regaining redemtion
    and Blofeld doing an OHMSS
  • Posts: 2,915
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    That would be a mistake. I think the list of chapter titles I provided are considerably better than original efforts like Die Another Day and also better than short story titles like "Property of a Lady." Fleming was a master of evocative titles, and there are plenty left if one knows where to look. Certainly we should beware of over-reverently using his weaker titles (Quantum of Solace was a mistake, since unlike Fleming the filmmakers never unpacked the phrase), but his better efforts are usually better than what screenwriters come up with.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Revelator wrote: »
    How about just... keep Fleming's spirit and essentials in the series, but stop recycling his titles/words/characters?

    That would be a mistake. I think the list of chapter titles I provided are considerably better than original efforts like Die Another Day and also better than short story titles like "Property of a Lady." Fleming was a master of evocative titles, and there are plenty left if one knows where to look. Certainly we should beware of over-reverently using his weaker titles (Quantum of Solace was a mistake, since unlike Fleming the filmmakers never unpacked the phrase), but his better efforts are usually better than what screenwriters come up with.
    Well, to be honest, most of them don't even work or come close for being film titles, let alone James Bond film titles. Here, with the list you've given, I'll be posting my humble opinion in short for each one.

    A Whisper of Love, A Whisper of Hate - Overused, too long. Not so spy-like.

    Cards With a Stranger - Not much of an evocative espionage thriller. More like a suspense crime thriller story that perhaps takes place over the course of a night.

    The Eye That Never Sleeps - This one is rather good.

    We Don't Like Mistakes - A bit too campy for this day and age? Like Gardner's "No Deals, Mr. Bond".

    The Job Comes Second - As it is, sounds like a chapter title.

    Death is So Permanent - Too simple and not sophisticated enough.

    The Slaughterer - A slasher horror?

    The Wizard of Ice - Hmmm... If I say something bad about this @TheWizardOfIce will annihilate me. :))

    The Beautiful Lure - While it has sophistication to it, it's a bit too short for a novel/film title?

    The Killing Bottle - Sounds more like a comedy film title. No one will take this seriously in this day and age.

    The Finger on the Trigger - Too descriptively simple. Worthy to be a chapter title, perfectly.

    The Long Scream - Again, it sounds like a slasher film title.

    Reflections in a Double Bourbon - Once again, a chapter title worthy. The word 'Bourbon' wouldn't be much of a key to the whole film's plot, now would it?

    The Pressure Room - Chapter title, again.

    Crime de la Crime - This one actually has potential.

    The Richest Man in History - My apologies, but this isn't a spy thriller film/novel title. At best, it's a chapter title.

    Take It Easy Mr. Bond - Same as reasoning as "We Don't Like Mistakes".

    How to Eat a Girl - As good as "007 in New York"... And it won't be taken seriously.

    When the Kissing Stopped - Chapter title worthy.

    The Shadower - Mixed feeling about this. Could work, or couldn't.

    The Gambit of Shame - Now, I love this one.

    Death For Breakfast - Mixed feelings.

    Fork Left For Hell! - Good one.

    Bloodlift - Very good one.

    Hell's Delight - Mixed feelings.

    The Death Collector - Sounds like a crime thriller and/or slasher horror.

    Slay It With Flowers - A good one.

    The Question Room - Chapter title at best.

    Blood and Thunder - Too simplistic, perhaps?

    The Easy Grand - People, who haven't read the novels, will just assume this one is one of the misused titles for Casino Royale.

    Now, that I've demonstrated my view on these titles, feel free to insert an expansive but intellectual, nevertheless, discussion.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 2,915
    Now, that I've demonstrated my view on these titles, feel free to insert an expansive but intellectual, nevertheless, discussion.

    I'm afraid I don't have time for that, but I will make the following points
    (a) Just because a title is long doesn't mean it won't work (On Her Majesty's Secret Service anyone?)
    (b) One man's camp is another man's humor (those who've been around know that "How to Eat a Girl" has adult implications too)
    (c) Live and Let Die would be a pretty good slasher/horror film title too, so that criticism is irrelevant
    (d) Casino Royale was ten years ago, so I don't think the public will react as you suggest
    (e) One does not have to like every title in the list and I don't anticipate that anyone will. The fact that you liked a good number of them is justification enough.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Now, that I've demonstrated my view on these titles, feel free to insert an expansive but intellectual, nevertheless, discussion.

    I'm afraid I don't have time for that, but I will make the following points
    (a) Just because a title is long doesn't mean it won't work (On Her Majesty's Secret Service anyone?)
    (b) One man's camp is another man's humor (those who've been around know that "How to Eat a Girl" has adult implications too)
    (c) Live and Let Die would be a pretty good slasher/horror film title too, so that criticism is irrelevant
    (d) Casino Royale was ten years ago, so I don't think the public will react as you suggest
    (e) One does not have to like every title in the list and I don't anticipate that anyone will. The fact that you liked a good number of them is justification enough.
    Yes, but On Her Majesty's Secret Service has a philosophical but not overtly long construction to it, whereas Whisper of Love, Whisper of Hate just doesn't quite cut it as much as all the existing titles for novels and films we have. That one is bit too repetitive and too long, yes longer than OHMSS in its feel. As for Casino Royale, I wasn't referring to the film. The title alone is famous enough for any Bond fan to catch on a reminder for it. How To Eat A Girl... Well... I don't know what kind of plot is it going to have that compensates with the title. Live And Let Die, though, does have the feeling of a slasher horror, but it also can be a the description of a pit of war between two rival sides... or individuals...

    As for the other points, I can't argue with them as they come from a personal preference.
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