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James Bond as a serial killer?

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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    No doubt!
  • SpectreNumberOneSpectreNumberOne
    edited December 2012 Posts: 129
    James Bond a serial killer, um, not in a million years! He kills effectively with the least amount of effort, he doesn't kill for gratification, often it is in self-defence, he's good at it, no argument, but he doesn't loose control, there is no pattern, it's not done in a ritual manor, he doesn't take trophies (Unless you count Red Grants Watch OHMSS). He's a professional operator who does a job, just happens to involve terminating with extreme prejudice on an all too regular basis, "Licensed to kill & has done so on numerous occasions" agent XXX - TSWLM.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Are they the same people who support the "James Bond is just a code name" theory? ;-)

    As I earlier described that theory as the biggest heap of dung ever talked about the true-nature of James Bond, I would hope not...
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    See the links posted below re James Bond as a serial killer:

    http://commanderbond.net/6253/the-cultures-of-james-bond-conference.html

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997757-/57139127

    So, it seems I'm not alone in my theory, afterall!
  • GerardGerard
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    There are many examples in history that prove that the fact that someone is not alone in his views doesn't mean that he's right.

    No, Bond is not a serial killer by any definition of the term. And no, contrary to what Alan Moore thinks, he's not a serial rapist either.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited December 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Gerard wrote:
    There are many examples in history that prove that the fact that someone is not alone in his views doesn't mean that he's right.

    Exactly. Think about the time everyone was so bought over by Aristotle's belief that the Sun (and consequently everything else) revolved around the earth, or when we had the widespread belief that the earth was flat? History has shown us the majority can be off their rockers. Granted, people were afraid to go against the gospel and risk being mutilated like astronomers/thinkers of the time before them (hence why Copernicus had to wait until old age to publish his findings that opposed Aristotle's), but still.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Gerard wrote:
    There are many examples in history that prove that the fact that someone is not alone in his views doesn't mean that he's right.

    Exactly. Think about the time everyone was so bought over by Aristotle's belief that the Sun (and consequently everything else) revolved around the earth, or when we had the widespread belief that the earth was flat? History has shown us the majority can be off their rockers. Granted, people were afraid to go against the gospel and risk being mutilated like astronomers/thinkers of the time before them (hence why Copernicus had to wait until old age to publish his findings that opposed Aristotle's), but still.

    The Earth has a tunnel called Thule under the hollow earth theory and some Nazis escaped there in 1945 in UFOs according to a very interesting guy I met last night...!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    It wasn't Buttons by any chance..

    Incidentally, It is supposed to be 'The End of the World' tomorrow also don't forget, according to Mayan proverbs.. If that is so, we really should be doing something else, right now, rather than sitting here, you understand..

    Back to topic and you could say Bond is a serial killer in a sense, as he leaves behind him a trail of dead bodies and kills frequently, but of course, as elaborated on before, he does it for the greater good and as part of his employment, he's merely not your Bundy type, as stated before
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Wait, people still believe that the world is going to end tomorrow? That's sad.

    And how is this even a question? Bond is a hitman of sorts, not a serial killer. When you hear serial killer, you think Bundy, Dahmer, Zodiac, BTK, but not James Bond.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited October 2020 Posts: 18,281
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    It wasn't Buttons by any chance..

    Incidentally, It is supposed to be 'The End of the World' tomorrow also don't forget, according to Mayan proverbs.. If that is so, we really should be doing something else, right now, rather than sitting here, you understand..

    Back to topic and you could say Bond is a serial killer in a sense, as he leaves behind him a trail of dead bodies and kills frequently, but of course, as elaborated on before, he does it for the greater good and as part of his employment, he's merely not your Bundy type, as stated before

    No, he was a lovely Dutch gentleman.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    What, with a Swedish name. But thanks for the information ?

    @Creasy I didn't say I believed it, just merely stated that say for arguments sake, it's 'supposed' to happen tomorrow, even if the fact of the matter remains, I've more chance of waking up tomorrow morning with Jennifer Lopez and Arina Manta than witnessing the end of human existence or some Armageddon type incident

    The earth has been here for six billion years, so if something so bad was to occur, It would of done so by now. (We're takling about an incident to come that may be worse than the extinction of dinosaurs)

    But remember this, if Armageddon does happen tomorrow, no more James Bond for anyone. And no Batman either, come to think of it..

    Damn it, that said, I'll be almost hopeful now, of some cataclysmic incident tomorrow

    But we will just have to see

    Got a lot of stuff to do for the rest of the day, but if it does come to pass, been nice knowing everyone etc
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2012 Posts: 18,281
    All we need to do is get a UFO to Thule, go in through the hole in the North Pole - there's an internal sun in there...and some Nazis who think the war's still on. I kid you not. I'll go ask Olaf if you guys can come too. The people you meet in public libraries!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Baltimore_007, I won't care, because the "world will end at 6:11 AM my time," so I'll be in bed. But, like I said, it isn't going to happen, and you're* gullible if you believe that.

    * That's in a broad sense, not saying "you," Baltimore.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2013 Posts: 18,281
    No one will ever be able to predict when the world will end - if it does come back and sue me. Ha! See what I did there?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited December 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Baltimore_007, I won't care, because the "world will end at 6:11 AM my time," so I'll be in bed. But, like I said, it isn't going to happen, and you're* gullible if you believe that.

    * That's in a broad sense, not saying "you," Baltimore.

    It's supposed to be 6:11 AM? :)) Cool.

    It really is a win win situation. If it happens, I got out the best way possible. If not, we get to watch live coverage of idiot pundits trying to explain away just why it didn't happen. I can be a nihilist at times, but I tell you: People that believe in this kind of stuff make life interesting. One of the best Christmas presents of all, express from the long extinct Mayans. =))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, exactly. You can't pick a better way to go out, but if not, the believers will be up in arms, "Ahhhhbrhghh, uhh, we meant 2016! Y-yeahhh...the end of the world is near!"
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    According to Olaf the Third World War will occur in 2016, with Germany attacking Israel and Iran.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, exactly. You can't pick a better way to go out, but if not, the believers will be up in arms, "Ahhhhbrhghh, uhh, we meant 2016! Y-yeahhh...the end of the world is near!"

    As I have said before to numerous people:

    What if the Mayans working on the calendar simply got tired of writing and decided that they didn't want to continue anymore? Maybe they went for a bite and never got back to it, or maybe there was a shortage of papyrus around? Just because the calendar simply stops doesn't mean the Mayans have some kind of clairvoyant powers.
    Dragonpol wrote:
    According to Olaf the Third World War will occur in 2016, with Germany attacking Israel and Iran.

    It looks like Olaf needs to buy himself a new chair, because...
    ( •_•)
    ( •_•)>⌐■-■
    (⌐■_■)
    ...He's off his rocker.

    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!

    B-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited October 2020 Posts: 18,281
    Interesting nonetheless!
  • TroyTroy
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Bond is not a serial killer. He's a government agent. In a broader sense, he's a paid assassin. A serial killer, however, is a psychopath, a nutjob who finds questionable motives for killing (usually) innocent people - though guilty of some crime in his twisted reasoning.

    Bond firstly doesn't kill innocent folks and neither does he find motives for killing which exist only in his own mind. Even his revenge plot, executed in LTK, though not condoned or instructed by his superiors, doesn't make him a serial killer. He targets those who partake in a criminal's schemes and were in some cases directly involved in killing Della and destroying Leiter's body.

    Secondly, Bond's killing usually serves a greater good, like thwarting plans for WWIII or neutralising a threat to public safety. Serial killers serve a good which only qualifies as such in their own sick logic.

    I disagree with the suggestion of James Bond being a serial killer. There's quite simply nothing to hold up that idea. Despite some darker moments in his career, he always takes out the trash, without collateral victims among innocent bystanders. Let's give him a break. ;-)

    Interesting question - is Bond a serial killer. I suppose it depends how you define a serial killer. I disagree with the assertion that because he kills for his government, he cannot be a serial killer. I'm sure there have been plenty of government-employed serial killers in the past. If you are a serial killer and want to avoid being prosecuted, it would seem to be the perfect job - another would be an army sniper.
    Although the books suggest he does not enjoy killing, he must enjoy it at some level - otherwise he would quit. People quit jobs for all kinds of reasons: long commutes, unpleasant boss, boring work. I'm sure being forced to kill another human being would be a good reason.
    Apparently the nazis adopted gassing as a method of mass killing, because they found even the SS found regular killing too difficult. Fleming touches on this subject in FRWL. So to do his job for any long period, he must be psychologically suited.
    And don't forget both Brosnan and Craig's Bonds admitted they weren't bothered by killing.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
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    Compare Bond to the lust murderer that is Xenia Onatopp. A very big difference and why the theory is ridiculous, no matter who offers it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Troy wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Bond is not a serial killer. He's a government agent. In a broader sense, he's a paid assassin. A serial killer, however, is a psychopath, a nutjob who finds questionable motives for killing (usually) innocent people - though guilty of some crime in his twisted reasoning.

    Bond firstly doesn't kill innocent folks and neither does he find motives for killing which exist only in his own mind. Even his revenge plot, executed in LTK, though not condoned or instructed by his superiors, doesn't make him a serial killer. He targets those who partake in a criminal's schemes and were in some cases directly involved in killing Della and destroying Leiter's body.

    Secondly, Bond's killing usually serves a greater good, like thwarting plans for WWIII or neutralising a threat to public safety. Serial killers serve a good which only qualifies as such in their own sick logic.

    I disagree with the suggestion of James Bond being a serial killer. There's quite simply nothing to hold up that idea. Despite some darker moments in his career, he always takes out the trash, without collateral victims among innocent bystanders. Let's give him a break. ;-)

    Interesting question - is Bond a serial killer. I suppose it depends how you define a serial killer. I disagree with the assertion that because he kills for his government, he cannot be a serial killer. I'm sure there have been plenty of government-employed serial killers in the past. If you are a serial killer and want to avoid being prosecuted, it would seem to be the perfect job - another would be an army sniper.
    Although the books suggest he does not enjoy killing, he must enjoy it at some level - otherwise he would quit. People quit jobs for all kinds of reasons: long commutes, unpleasant boss, boring work. I'm sure being forced to kill another human being would be a good reason.
    Apparently the nazis adopted gassing as a method of mass killing, because they found even the SS found regular killing too difficult. Fleming touches on this subject in FRWL. So to do his job for any long period, he must be psychologically suited.
    And don't forget both Brosnan and Craig's Bonds admitted they weren't bothered by killing.

    Finally, someone with the sense to see the unexplored dark heart/dark side of James Bond - just see TMWTGG talk to see this type of commentary on Bond. And read Casino Royale where he talks about his first two (cold-bloooded) kills. There's a bit of Dexter CSI serial killer creeping into all of this discussion...
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    Troy wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Bond is not a serial killer. He's a government agent. In a broader sense, he's a paid assassin. A serial killer, however, is a psychopath, a nutjob who finds questionable motives for killing (usually) innocent people - though guilty of some crime in his twisted reasoning.

    Bond firstly doesn't kill innocent folks and neither does he find motives for killing which exist only in his own mind. Even his revenge plot, executed in LTK, though not condoned or instructed by his superiors, doesn't make him a serial killer. He targets those who partake in a criminal's schemes and were in some cases directly involved in killing Della and destroying Leiter's body.

    Secondly, Bond's killing usually serves a greater good, like thwarting plans for WWIII or neutralising a threat to public safety. Serial killers serve a good which only qualifies as such in their own sick logic.

    I disagree with the suggestion of James Bond being a serial killer. There's quite simply nothing to hold up that idea. Despite some darker moments in his career, he always takes out the trash, without collateral victims among innocent bystanders. Let's give him a break. ;-)

    Interesting question - is Bond a serial killer. I suppose it depends how you define a serial killer. I disagree with the assertion that because he kills for his government, he cannot be a serial killer. I'm sure there have been plenty of government-employed serial killers in the past. If you are a serial killer and want to avoid being prosecuted, it would seem to be the perfect job - another would be an army sniper.
    Although the books suggest he does not enjoy killing, he must enjoy it at some level - otherwise he would quit. People quit jobs for all kinds of reasons: long commutes, unpleasant boss, boring work. I'm sure being forced to kill another human being would be a good reason.
    Apparently the nazis adopted gassing as a method of mass killing, because they found even the SS found regular killing too difficult. Fleming touches on this subject in FRWL. So to do his job for any long period, he must be psychologically suited.
    And don't forget both Brosnan and Craig's Bonds admitted they weren't bothered by killing.

    Finally, someone with the sense to see the unexplored dark heart/dark side of James Bond - just see TMWTGG talk to see this type of commentary on Bond. And read Casino Royale where he talks about his first two (cold-bloooded) kills. There's a bit of Dexter CSI serial killer creeping into all of this discussion...

    Yes, we'll that clears that up then. Because he doesn't quit his job, he must enjoy it on some level and therefore can happily qualify as a serial killer. I guess all the snipers left alive from WW2 would loved to be labelled serial killers as opposed to war Heroes?!
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2012 Posts: 18,281
    myworldisenough wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Troy wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Bond is not a serial killer. He's a government agent. In a broader sense, he's a paid assassin. A serial killer, however, is a psychopath, a nutjob who finds questionable motives for killing (usually) innocent people - though guilty of some crime in his twisted reasoning.

    Bond firstly doesn't kill innocent folks and neither does he find motives for killing which exist only in his own mind. Even his revenge plot, executed in LTK, though not condoned or instructed by his superiors, doesn't make him a serial killer. He targets those who partake in a criminal's schemes and were in some cases directly involved in killing Della and destroying Leiter's body.

    Secondly, Bond's killing usually serves a greater good, like thwarting plans for WWIII or neutralising a threat to public safety. Serial killers serve a good which only qualifies as such in their own sick logic.

    I disagree with the suggestion of James Bond being a serial killer. There's quite simply nothing to hold up that idea. Despite some darker moments in his career, he always takes out the trash, without collateral victims among innocent bystanders. Let's give him a break. ;-)

    Interesting question - is Bond a serial killer. I suppose it depends how you define a serial killer. I disagree with the assertion that because he kills for his government, he cannot be a serial killer. I'm sure there have been plenty of government-employed serial killers in the past. If you are a serial killer and want to avoid being prosecuted, it would seem to be the perfect job - another would be an army sniper.
    Although the books suggest he does not enjoy killing, he must enjoy it at some level - otherwise he would quit. People quit jobs for all kinds of reasons: long commutes, unpleasant boss, boring work. I'm sure being forced to kill another human being would be a good reason.
    Apparently the nazis adopted gassing as a method of mass killing, because they found even the SS found regular killing too difficult. Fleming touches on this subject in FRWL. So to do his job for any long period, he must be psychologically suited.
    And don't forget both Brosnan and Craig's Bonds admitted they weren't bothered by killing.

    Finally, someone with the sense to see the unexplored dark heart/dark side of James Bond - just see TMWTGG talk to see this type of commentary on Bond. And read Casino Royale where he talks about his first two (cold-bloooded) kills. There's a bit of Dexter CSI serial killer creeping into all of this discussion...

    Yes, we'll that clears that up then. Because he doesn't quit his job, he must enjoy it on some level and therefore can happily qualify as a serial killer. I guess all the snipers left alive from WW2 would loved to be labelled serial killers as opposed to war Heroes?!
    myworldisenough wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Troy wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Bond is not a serial killer. He's a government agent. In a broader sense, he's a paid assassin. A serial killer, however, is a psychopath, a nutjob who finds questionable motives for killing (usually) innocent people - though guilty of some crime in his twisted reasoning.

    Bond firstly doesn't kill innocent folks and neither does he find motives for killing which exist only in his own mind. Even his revenge plot, executed in LTK, though not condoned or instructed by his superiors, doesn't make him a serial killer. He targets those who partake in a criminal's schemes and were in some cases directly involved in killing Della and destroying Leiter's body.

    Secondly, Bond's killing usually serves a greater good, like thwarting plans for WWIII or neutralising a threat to public safety. Serial killers serve a good which only qualifies as such in their own sick logic.

    I disagree with the suggestion of James Bond being a serial killer. There's quite simply nothing to hold up that idea. Despite some darker moments in his career, he always takes out the trash, without collateral victims among innocent bystanders. Let's give him a break. ;-)

    Interesting question - is Bond a serial killer. I suppose it depends how you define a serial killer. I disagree with the assertion that because he kills for his government, he cannot be a serial killer. I'm sure there have been plenty of government-employed serial killers in the past. If you are a serial killer and want to avoid being prosecuted, it would seem to be the perfect job - another would be an army sniper.
    Although the books suggest he does not enjoy killing, he must enjoy it at some level - otherwise he would quit. People quit jobs for all kinds of reasons: long commutes, unpleasant boss, boring work. I'm sure being forced to kill another human being would be a good reason.
    Apparently the nazis adopted gassing as a method of mass killing, because they found even the SS found regular killing too difficult. Fleming touches on this subject in FRWL. So to do his job for any long period, he must be psychologically suited.
    And don't forget both Brosnan and Craig's Bonds admitted they weren't bothered by killing.

    Finally, someone with the sense to see the unexplored dark heart/dark side of James Bond - just see TMWTGG talk to see this type of commentary on Bond. And read Casino Royale where he talks about his first two (cold-bloooded) kills. There's a bit of Dexter CSI serial killer creeping into all of this discussion...

    Yes, we'll that clears that up then. Because he doesn't quit his job, he must enjoy it on some level and therefore can happily qualify as a serial killer. I guess all the snipers left alive from WW2 would loved to be labelled serial killers as opposed to war Heroes?!

    No, well as someone who had a great uncle who was a sniper in the First World War in France, and who was shot in the knee and had to lie under bombed out corrugated iron after being threatened by a rotten French farmer who took all of his money and cigarettes. Definitely NOT a serial killer. War hero? Yes.
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
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    Agree your great uncle was a hero as was my own Grandfather.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    myworldisenough wrote:
    Agree your great uncle was a hero as was my own Grandfather.

    With those sentiments I too would undoubtedly agree, good sir.

  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    My grandfather and father both served during wartime. My grandfather was a naval lieutenant commander who fought in WW2 in the Pacific. He commanded a high risk target (oil tanker) and got his ship 600 miles to shore after a kamikaze attack blew off the bow. He only lost one man and turned down medals offered by 2 admirals, to him he was doing his job and cared more about the man lost than decorations for his uniform. My Dad was the radar man on a sub patrolling the Arctic Circle during the Korean War, navigating through lots of icebergs and helping avoid enemy subs as well.

    Very proud of both of them :)
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Bond has a licence to kill, licence to kill or be killed. He is sent on missions knowing very well the people he is often after are not messing about and will kill him if given the chance... eventually in some cases. I say eventually in some cases as some villains really do blow there chances to put bond down for good certainly in the movies. Serial killers kill because they need to to fulfill a gratification, even after a short period of not killing they would feel the urge to kill again. I would think bond has gone lengthy periods of time without killing. Bond kills out of necessity because its his job. I don't think bond is a serial killer.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    When considering the serial killer's deep insatiable urge (or bloodlust) to kill, we must also consider modus operandi to further ground this theory to shreds. Most killers have a type. Something that can connect all their victims, whether it is dealing with their hair color, physicality, or the fact that they share a geological commonality. So, if Bond were a serial killer he would have all this dead set upon. He would know what he desired in his victims and what was required to satisfy his need to kill. Let's say he had an infatuation with black haired people. Bond doesn't pass up a mission simply because his target has blonde or red hair. He doesn't spend his time on sabbatical prowling around Chelsea slashing up black haired civilians to get off. I understand that this is a thread meant for researching and discussing the character and who he is (all intended by our very astute @Dragonpol), but Bond simply isn't a serial killer of any ilk you would study in criminology. If anything he is closest to a sociopath, but even still he doesn't fully gratify the set characteristics that match that disorder.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited October 2020 Posts: 18,281
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    When considering the serial killer's deep insatiable urge (or bloodlust) to kill, we must also consider modus operandi to further ground this theory to shreds. Most killers have a type. Something that can connect all their victims, whether it is dealing with their hair color, physicality, or the fact that they share a geological commonality. So, if Bond were a serial killer he would have all this dead set upon. He would know what he desired in his victims and what was required to satisfy his need to kill. Let's say he had an infatuation with black haired people. Bond doesn't pass up a mission simply because his target has blonde or red hair. He doesn't spend his time on sabbatical prowling around Chelsea slashing up black haired civilians to get off. I understand that this is a thread meant for researching and discussing the character and who he is (all intended by our very astute @Dragonpol), but Bond simply isn't a serial killer of any ilk you would study in criminology. If anything he is closest to a sociopath, but even still he doesn't fully gratify the set characteristics that match that disorder.

    Thanks so much, Brady. I've studied Criminology as part of a Law degree (it's a load of Socialist-inspired clap-trap for the most part), but don't forget Bond came up against Scaramanga, a fellow paid assassin seen as the 'dark side' of James Bond (in the film, at least) and that Never Send Flowers (1993) by John Gardner saw Bond tracking down a serial killer bent on assassinating Princess Diana and her princely sons at Euro Disney near Paris.

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