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Quite obviously this guy lacks even the slightest sense of originality (let alone pace and logic)!
Well, apart from the box office (and the cinematography ) I don't see anything in this movie that constitutes less than a disaster. And believe me - NOBODY feels more sorry about this state of affairs than me!
Personally, if this turns out to be true after the film is released and we learn all the 'fun facts' of production, I will not be happy, no matter how good B24 is.
agreed
I also don't find it shocking that those who want Quantum back the most are QoS's biggest supporters like the aforementioned @JWESTBROOK, @Risico007 and myself.
Finally a sensible voice here.
Completely agree with you. I would love to see King Lear but living outside of the UK I'm not sure if I'll have the opportunity.
A recurring adversary is not original, but it is a classic trope of the genre and there is nothing wrong with using it. Especially since it gives resilience to the villain and thus an extra layer of menace.
Furthermore, Quantum has not been properly punished for the events of both CR and QOS: it is still alive and well.
I hope you are right.
That is true, but if we follow the timeline, they have given us, too much time has passed IMO to suddenly go "Oh my, we haven't punished that organisation, who did that and that years ago. We really have to finish them off for good now, never mind, what present threats we have."
Agreed with everything mentioned here.
Having Quantum return in 24 after a break with Skyfall would be parallel to SPECTRE in Thunderball. The Craig era would then truly be a reboot!
Not having Quantum return would be, IMO, such a missed opportunity. So much more can be done with this organisation!
Personally I'm not fussed about Quantum. I wouldn't mind them returning but I wouldn't give a shit if we never saw them again.
How long between Batman Begins and TDKR? They still have the League of Shadows in both. And nowadays, returning villains/threats is pretty much the rule for many franchises: Magneto in X-Men, Oscorp in Spider-Man (not that I like much the new Spider-man series mind you), etc.
And why punishment? We´re talking about MI6 and not SMERSH. If Quantum continued to exist, they very well could be the biggest present threat at any given time. Even if they came back in Bond 25 or 26, all that would be needed would be M saying in an urgent tone that Quantum lay low for the past few years, or has re-organised itself, or something like that, and now they´re back with a vengeance. MI6 had to battle more urgent threats in the meantime and therefore couldn´t go after Quantum.
Interesting comparisons.
The League of Shadows in TDKR felt a bit lame, because Nolan´s films were always propagated as a closed trilogy. BB closed the LoS story, it wasn´t extant at all in TDK, and then it popped up again out of nowhere in TDKR, even though the Batverse appears to be full of exotic characters and organisations. Dull.
X-Men is about two groups of mutants, Xavier being the leader of one group, Magneto the leader of the other group. And both groups have to see to their survival because third parties want to destroy both of them. That´s a totally different constellation than any Bond scenario.
Oscorp in the latest Spiderman film was kind of built up into an organisation responsible for future villainies. Here we have something like a resemblance to organisations from Bond films. And even though the villains in Rise of Electro (stupid title, considering the story) didn´t impress me, the setting up of Oscorp as said pool of possible future viallains was pretty smooth and made quite some sense.
I imagine many Quantum members were laying low after their Bolivia operation went downhill, the exposure of Quantum ringleaders at the Tosca opera, and their honey trap operative got arrested. But I'd love to see their return.
And the HYDRA group (think of it as Nazi German founded SPECTRE) came back after their first appearance in Marvel movies, bigger and badder than before in a rather unexpected way in the most recent Marvel film.
That is like I said: the time in cinematic franchises is not for villain of the week, but for recurring threats, resilient nemesis and criminal organizations.
I'm behind this 100% as I've tried explaining too. It would be like throwing out a box of perfectly good jelly beans only because you ate a licorice jelly bean first. Quantum has room to grow and become as Iconic as Spectre. There is always room for Improvement.
I'm not saying the won't show up again (if you are referring to me), in fact, I'm one of the most optimistic about them on this forum. I want them back more than anything else, and for this era of Bond films to truly be my favorite I feel their arc must be wrapped up properly. Mendes most likely won't be back for Bond 25, so if we miss out here maybe we'll get one more chance afterwards. A comforting comment by MGW that Quantum was still in his mind and far from gone helps me sleep at night.
And ensemble cast, no more lonesome hero...
And a resilient nemesis for Bond is spelled B.L.O.F.E.L.D.
It isn't written anywhere, but that's the problem. It is written that Mendes threw out the original idea for Bond 24 and Bond 25, which was a connected story. Take that as you will - I take it to mean a double feature finale for Craig, and what better way to end it then to take down the organization that began his tenure?
I'm not saying it's anywhere near fact that Quantum wont return, and if they don't, that its directly Mendes' fault. But I will be able to tell you that as a fact after Bond 24.
I think it is clear that Quantum could only return effectively in Craig's tenure, I think it is clear that his tenure will likely end with Bond 25, and so I think it is clear that if they do not at least allude to Quantum in Bond 24, as in there is absolutely no mention of the organization in the 24th film, then Quantum is definitely D.O.A.
*raises hand*
Like OHMSS - DAF.
Or QOS, where a Quantum member worked as M´s bodyguard. One should think that that alone would be sufficient motivation to uproot that organisation. At least it would be the logical next step for a Secret Intelligence Agency.
But as I said, I enjoy how they keep throwing such logic out of the window. Keeps things fresh, and I´m not being sarcastic here. Like the logic of Dame Judy being Brosnan´s M and them Craig´s M.
So it wouldn´t be a bad thing per se to drop Quantum.
But to keep them for a while would offer a huge variety of possibilities. An organisation constructed as cleverly as Quantum could easily appear in all different shapes and forms, thus they could be used for a long time without getting possibly stale.