SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • If the release date is changed, there'll be a press release. But it may be pretty bare bones and might not go into details about changes in script. At this point, there is no date for a press conference. I think the only people who've commented about a start date for filming have been actors such as Ralph Fiennes.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 2,115
    Let me clarify: 1) I don't think Eon will confirm P&W are back until the press release goes out the start of filming (whenever that may be). The confirmation will be in the form of listing P&W as among Bond 24's writers. It certainly won't say "we brought them back to punch up the script" or anything like that.

    2) If the release date gets changed, there will be a press release. But I suspect it may not go into detail about the rewrite. It will probably say something to the effect "we want to make it the best movie we can and additional time is needed." The most detail would be if they use the occasion of that press release to mention P&W as writers. Just a prediction. Your mileage may vary.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 5,745
    They have no real need atm to delay release IMO. What I don't understand is these seemingly minor script updates shouldn't be enough to push production back.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 2,115
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    They have no real need atm to delay release IMO. What I don't understand is these seemingly minor script updates shouldn't be enough to push production back.

    I would concur. As noted before, Casino Royale started filming in February 2006 and made a fall release date. If December is indeed the start date for Bond 24, it would seem the October/November 2015 date can be met.

    If the start date is being delayed, perhaps there are additional factors we don't know about.
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    If the film gets pushed back to a late December 2015 release date, its going to go up against Star Wars which worries me. They have to get it out Nov 2015 or we are going to get another 4 year gap in between films.

    What bugs me about EON is after the success of Skyfall they want to dive right into some 2 part story arc which Mendes probably passed on since the material was not up to his standards. Logan's comments earlier also do not sit well with me either.

    As for Purvis & Wade, they can be hit or miss. With a decent director they do alright.

    Something else is going on to cause a delay in filming for two months. I am willing to bet they started from scratch last summer when Mendes came back. And now they are doing further revisions.

    Craig may grow tired of all this and bow out after this one. I hope not. They need to get Bond 25 out in two years.

    We shall see what happens.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Tuck91, well, like someone said, CR started shooting in February, so that should still give B24 ample time to shoot and be out during the current release date. There is still hope.

    Also, Craig is contracted for two more Bond films, B24 and B25.
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    Im sure it will release on schedule. But for the amount of time put in I am expecting it to be at least as good as SF.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Tuck91 wrote:
    Im sure it will release on schedule. But for the amount of time put in I am expecting it to be at least as good as SF.

    Fans here have varied opinions about it. With a good portion of the SF-team returning, some are worried it'll be another SF, while some are happy that we'll get another SF.
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    I'm happy that P&W coming on board almost definitely means we wont be getting another Skyfall.
  • JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I'm happy that P&W coming on board almost definitely means we wont be getting another Skyfall.

    Definitely. I've been on the "Craig needs his OTT movie" train for a while. Hopefully Logan will balance out their worse tendencies, and all will be well.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I'm happy that P&W coming on board almost definitely means we wont be getting another Skyfall.

    Never thought about that. I suppose that's a blessing in disguise, as I agree with your happiness.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I'm happy that P&W coming on board almost definitely means we wont be getting another Skyfall.

    Definitely. I've been on the "Craig needs his OTT movie" train for a while. Hopefully Logan will balance out their worse tendencies, and all will be well.

    I love Skyfall and am very glad we have it exactly as it is; I think it completes the story of Bond's beginnings and maturing as an agent. Next I do want Bond 24 to be different and more fun, not filled with angst. So yes, I agree hopefully this will be balanced and we can get a great Bond film.
  • @4EverBonded: Yes, we've ridden the angst and introspection about as far as we can. CR and SF were both excellent movies, and QoS was tolerable, but let's get the series moving forward. Brosnan was too far in the complacent direction, now we're in danger of the opposite mistake.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Nobody wants the films to go overboard in the other direction. That is where Mendes comes in as being crucial to make sure this is balanced. And the producers of course.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 2,015
    Ah la la..

    First they laugh at you...
    Mr. Mendes attended a cricket match 2 weeks ago instead of working on Bond 24... :)

    "Whats he doing in the cricket? He should be prepping a Bond movie!"

    and then they cry
    They should hire people who are 100% committed to Bond.

    I pardon you (but yes, I'm mocking you too actually)

    I think the fact that Logan was speaking very freely during his interview is now accepted by all, isn't it ? And well, was it so ridiculous to conclude he was free then ?

    Now about the rumored new screenwriters :
    Strelik wrote:
    Re-watch their (numerous) Skyfall interviews: They publicly declared they were growing fatigued with the franchise and were having trouble coming up with any fresh ideas for Bond. They were blunt about their creative malaise, and their utter boredom with the Bond franchise was made readily apparent in each interview. They didn't want to come back.

    Ok, now imagine you're fired because the producers who pay you decide to rent a big star instead of you : Would you say publicly "We would have loved to continue but we were fired" ? Would you say "This is crazy, we delivered a billion dollar Bond and they fire us, we'll sue them !" ?

    So, P&W's disinterest could be far less strong than Logan's disinterest after all.. No one knows for sure.

    It's up to you to see if P&W were really speaking freely when they gave that speeches with Barbara Broccoli next to them (I think at least one of these "no more ideas" speech was done with the producer next to them, who had already hired Logan).

    I think it was obvious Logan was speaking freely (he talked about loosing interest in Bond out of the blue, the questions had nothing to do with Bond), I'm not so sure about P&W. It could have been diplomatic doublespeak, so that everyone in the business understand, but without saying anything too harsh in order not to spoil any chances in the future. It turns out it may have been a very good bet to stay diplomatic !

    And about the fact they change the script, you can see it in a good way : it's better to say "the script sucks" and rewrites it, than to say "the script sucked" when the DVD is out :)

    Now if I was P&W, I would put an exploding pen at the very beginning of the PTS of Bond 24. In your face, John, we're back :)


  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'm certainly not going to get worked up over this. I'll only take something seriously until it comes from Barbara or Michael (which it hasn't). If P&W truly are back my concern is them making the script too jokey. I'd rather have the Craig films nearly drained of the one-liners and all that stuff. These films don't work well with too much humor, and the way they have been portraying Bond it just doesn't work and comes off as extremely out of character for him to be cracking jokes all the time. I've never been a huge fan of the one-liners, especially not in the Dalton and Craig films where the darker and more earnest tones of the films felt mismatched with the jokey puns and moments of frivolity. As long as Mendes is able to keep the film as earnest as possible with a very, very low amount of one-liners and jokey scenes, I'll be fine. That being said, let's not think too much into this yet, as nothing has been confirmed.
    Ah la la..

    First they laugh at you...
    Mr. Mendes attended a cricket match 2 weeks ago instead of working on Bond 24... :)

    "Whats he doing in the cricket? He should be prepping a Bond movie!"

    and then they cry
    They should hire people who are 100% committed to Bond.

    I pardon you (but yes, I'm mocking you too actually)

    I think the fact that Logan was speaking very freely during his interview is now accepted by all, isn't it ? And well, was it so ridiculous to conclude he was free then ?

    Now about the rumored new screenwriters :
    Strelik wrote:
    Re-watch their (numerous) Skyfall interviews: They publicly declared they were growing fatigued with the franchise and were having trouble coming up with any fresh ideas for Bond. They were blunt about their creative malaise, and their utter boredom with the Bond franchise was made readily apparent in each interview. They didn't want to come back.

    Ok, now imagine you're fired because the producers who pay you decide to rent a big star instead of you : Would you say publicly "We would have loved to continue but we were fired" ? Would you say "This is crazy, we delivered a billion dollar Bond and they fire us, we'll sue them !" ?

    So, P&W's disinterest could be far less strong than Logan's disinterest after all.. No one knows for sure.

    It's up to you to see if P&W were really speaking freely when they gave that speeches with Barbara Broccoli next to them (I think at least one of these "no more ideas" speech was done with the producer next to them, who had already hired Logan).

    I think it was obvious Logan was speaking freely (he talked about loosing interest in Bond out of the blue, the questions had nothing to do with Bond), I'm not so sure about P&W. It could have been diplomatic doublespeak, so that everyone in the business understand, but without saying anything too harsh in order not to spoil any chances in the future. It turns out it may have been a very good bet to stay diplomatic !

    And about the fact they change the script, you can see it in a good way : it's better to say "the script sucks" and rewrites it, than to say "the script sucked" when the DVD is out :)

    Now if I was P&W, I would put an exploding pen at the very beginning of the PTS of Bond 24. In your face, John, we're back :)


    I don't have any idea what you're seeming so victorious about. Why is it so hard to believe that other writers were sent to look at and change a script? It doesn't have to imply that there's some big writers' war between two parties fighting for supremacy and a voice in a script. Scripts can have many, many hands on them, especially Bond scripts which are never truly one-man projects with just one writer penning the thing. Crafting these kinds of stories usually have many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak.

    Just because someone was asked to look over the script and add elements to it doesn't make it a bad script at all. Clearly the Logan draft is missing something that the producers or Mendes want added. It could be action, it could be laughs, who knows. But to assume it's a complete failure in need of a near-complete rewrite is a bit drastic and naive if you ask me.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 2,015
    naive if you ask me.

    It seems that when Q plugged that computer on MI6's new network and some people decided what followed was pure airtight logic, some brains entered in loop mode ;)

    I think you will never have any other public story from the producers other than a story about Logan's script being super great, but hiring P&W was a way to make it super super great, and that adding a few months was a way to make it super super super great, and so on. And then you'll think you were right all way long...

    Do you think Logan is still under contract with EON ? Really ? Do you think he'll pen Bond 25 ?

    You're young and never worked in the movie industry (I did a bit, in the VFX), I'm not sure you've even worked anywhere, you have the right to be a bit arrogant, I don't blame you. Others that are older here, have less excuses...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    naive if you ask me.

    It seems that when Q plugged that computer on MI6's new network and some people decided what followed was pure airtight logic, some brains entered in loop mode :)

    Yes, changing the subject and unrightfully questioning the intelligence of others is definitely the best way to proceed with this discussion. Since we're on the topic anyway, being such a big fan of Goldfinger must mean that you can easily recognize when the brains of others are in loop after yours has been going around in circles for decades. Before picking on other (better) Bond films for so-called illogical moments, don't so clearly make yourself a known fan of one of the biggest offenders of these lapses in logic.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 2,015
    Since we're on the topic anyway, being such a big fan of Goldfinger must mean that you can easily recognize when the brains of others are in loop after yours has been going around in circles for decades. Before picking on other (better) Bond films for so-called illogical moments, don't so clearly make yourself a known fan of one of the biggest offenders of these lapses in logic.

    I'd never call Goldfinger an airtight logic script. No one would I think :) But we're older and wiser :)



  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Since we're on the topic anyway, being such a big fan of Goldfinger must mean that you can easily recognize when the brains of others are in loop after yours has been going around in circles for decades. Before picking on other (better) Bond films for so-called illogical moments, don't so clearly make yourself a known fan of one of the biggest offenders of these lapses in logic.

    I'd never call Goldfinger an airtight logic script. No one would I think :) But we're older and wiser :)



    Well, at least you are aware of your own hypocrisy. Acceptance is the hardest step of most therapy sessions, so well done.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Where is your own parachute these days, Suivez_ce_parachute?

    Because you seem to have jumped off a high cliff (or high horse) heading straight into a major ocean of murky conclusions, while rather trying to belittle, mock, or demean other people on your way down.
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    P & W doing a polish? If they haven't improved their dialogue writing since the Brosnan days (it's hard to say if they have or not as we don't know what dialogue they were responsible for in CR, and SF) then God help Bond 24!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Some folks believe they wrote most of the good stuff for Casino Royale. I can only hope that is true and that quality and not just experience will win out.
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    I would love to know what dialogue, P & W, Haggis and Logan were responsible for over the years.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Bounine wrote:
    I would love to know what dialogue, P & W, Haggis and Logan were responsible for over the years.

    And with that, I would like to see what the script for B24 is pre-P&W and post-P&W.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, I'd love to know exactly what parts. But I'll try to move on and consider that this may turn out great or not so good, but I'm not going to get worked up over it just now. I'm glad they are having someone look at the script to make some changes or "polish" or whatever if its needed. Do it now; past time for it probably. Get going. I still want the film out on time but definitely want quality first.

    So after the film is out, we may be able to get copies of early drafts of the screenplay to read, Creasy. Maybe. It would be interesting.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I'm happy that P&W coming on board almost definitely means we wont be getting another Skyfall.

    +1.

    But Mendes still has the final saying, though? Remember he allegedly cut out a couple of big action sequences from the SF, including the Indiana Jones homage scene.

    Several screenwriters, people brought in to "pump it up" or rewrite stuff always worries me. It's like having several chefs prepare your meal.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @4EverBonded, if you do, let me know, because I would love to see an early draft of the script for this, just to be able to compare it to the final script version - or at least the film - of B24.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 6,601
    Zekidk wrote:
    Several screenwriters, people brought in to "pump it up" or rewrite stuff always worries me. It's like having several chefs prepare your meal.
    I think, this sounds worrying maybe, because its the other way around then usually. What we have seen most of the time is, that P&W get a high profile writer to rewrite and smoothen things out and everybody always was fine with it.

    Even when it is an complex proccess, as someone pointed out, I still don't see, how a few rewrites can make such a delay. I believe, this might be just, what they give us and THAT worries me.
    I hope, I am wrong though...

    BTW @ Colonel - thanks for your answer.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 3,169
    But this wasn't planned - and that's worrying. As several already pointed out - something must have happened backstage. So now a couple of writers who recently were "out of ideas" are brought in?

    Maibaum must be rolling in his grave.
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