SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • Posts: 5,745
    I doubt Logan included Quantum in his Bond 24 script, and there's no time for P&W to make major changes to the story to include the organization..

    However, a scene at the end building up to Quantum's return for Bond 25 could very likely be a huge possibility with them returning. I just got even more excited.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, bring them back at the end as a teaser for Bond 25 - that would work nicely!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @JWESTBROOK, when B24 was initially rumored as ending on a cliffhanger of sorts, that got me excited at the prospect of what could happen: shake up the formula and put Bond in some dangerous moment, and it just ends, making us wait a few years to see how he gets out of it, but now that P&W have returned to add in wit or humor, they could always do that if the idea was interesting enough to everyone. That way, it makes it so Mendes doesn't really have to tackle with Quantum, but he brings them back for someone else to take on with B25. I love that idea. Perhaps they could go as far as teasing the head of Quantum somehow.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 2,015
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    However, a scene at the end building up to Quantum's return for Bond 25 could very likely be a huge possibility with them returning. I just got even more excited.

    Or a final scene showing someone's arm stroking a cat, being the real mastermind of what we' ve seen so far (and yes you can put Blofeld as head of Quantum even though I think Mendes would rather have SPECTRE, he doesn't care much about QOS it seems - "I casted Tanner")...

    This way Mendes has his second DB5-like moment (he could say "I loved it when the audience cheered when seeing Bond's nemesis was back"), the producers have their Bond 25 teaser in the typical current blockbusters' zeitgeist ("there's a big surprise at the end of Bond 24 that announces Bond 25, don't miss it" : this way you have some viral promo even after the movie is out), and Mendes can have all the benefit of bringing Blofelf back without having to handle the difficult re-boot of the character in the next movie, he would just use the icon for the sake of it, it would be just for a scene without to really care about the logic after that...

    Me, I'd really love to see Bond 24 start with an exploding pen ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited June 2014 Posts: 40,968
    I think it would be awesome if they could decide on the next film's title before the upcoming one is released. Imagine sitting in the theater with no clue what to expect during the credits for B24, and this time around, it actually says the title of B25.
  • Posts: 1,680
    I dont care for any of the ideas above. Blofeld has bee done to death already, leave it alone.

    Out of all the Craig film endings, Skyfall was the best & most original IMO.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Tuck91 wrote:
    I dont care for any of the ideas above. Blofeld has bee done to death already, leave it alone.

    Out of all the Craig film endings, Skyfall was the best & most original IMO.

    Are you talking about the scene in M's office, or the finale? I HOPE you don't mean the finale.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Oh I loved the ending of Skyfall, but it went right back to tradition with it; so not really original. :)
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    edited June 2014 Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Tuck91 wrote:
    I dont care for any of the ideas above. Blofeld has bee done to death already, leave it alone.

    Out of all the Craig film endings, Skyfall was the best & most original IMO.

    Are you talking about the scene in M's office, or the finale? I HOPE you don't mean the finale.

    I find the finale original. It took a Bond approach to the classic "castle siege" battle by having Bond tactically place traps around the place and utilize all he had, from his dad's old gun and his car against a foe who was used to only using technology. It showed Bond turning the tables on the villain and finally leveling the playing field, allow him to wipe the baddie and his boys out. And of course the killing of an M was a big moment for the series that had never gone that far before. The best part of the actual ending is Bond looking out over London and seeing a traditional M office again, but other than that it isn't that magical. I much more prefer the punch ending of Casino Royale as Bond shoots White and utters THE line or the compelling last words of Bond and toss of the necklace in QoS following his brilliant confrontation with Yusef. I'd probably go with the latter though, if pressed.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It might have been original in the history of Bond, but in terms of film in a general sense, it isn't original. That's what I was getting at. I do enjoy the finale, but original in the film world, it is not.
  • Posts: 1,680
    I am referring to both.

    CR & QOS had rushed ending battles/ finales.

    Skyfall was perfect. I remember seeing the IMAX midnight screening feeling how much detail went into that Scotland finale. Skyfall lodge, Bond's parents, Bonds house blown to hell in that cold dark Scotland atmosphere, M dying, and a feel good ending in M's office.

    Way better than CR & QOS ending IMO.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I too loved Skyfall's finale. It was very interesting since I went to see it in a mid afternoon time slot. So watching the finale in real time as the time of day was pretty much in sync felt very atmospheric.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Tuck91, how was the finale of CR "rushed," exactly?
  • Posts: 9,846
    An interesting question to ask does the addition of P&W mean a Fleming/ Fleming related title out of the film they wrote 3 of the 5 had titles directly related to Fleming
  • Posts: 4,619
    Ah la la..

    First they laugh at you...
    Mr. Mendes attended a cricket match 2 weeks ago instead of working on Bond 24... :)

    "Whats he doing in the cricket? He should be prepping a Bond movie!"

    and then they cry
    They should hire people who are 100% committed to Bond.

    I pardon you (but yes, I'm mocking you too actually)

    Are you on drugs? I hope you realise there is a huge difference between attending a cricket match for a day instead of prepping Bond 24 and working on various theater plays for months instead of prepping Bond 24...
  • Posts: 15,114
    Yeah Mendes should not take time off or anything. He can sleep and eat after the Premiere. Until then, he should work on Bond 24.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Penny Dreadful is finished, so let's hope he goes total Bond now. :)
  • Posts: 75
    I have the first draft of TWINE Is Not Enough. Easy to know where to look online :) Anyway, it is terrible and is proof that Purvis and Wade needed to go. The script as we see it on screen of Die Another Day is better... and that is saying some thing!

    It reads like a fan fic. The whole scrip is Bond knocking out enemies with the butt of his gun. Every thing of interest was added later by other writers, Dana Stevens, Feirstein. It is not useable, you can see why Broccoli family needed to hire new writers to polish it. I guess this time they skip P&W all together, I have my hopes and fingers crossed, but now they are back and more baffling than ever. Surely the scrip should be in good shape by now, 4 months out.

    So let's do a deal, Bond fans. Next time Cubby Broccoli Family take "time out" to have "more time" to work on a Bond film, lets not defend them. They misuse the time. Squander the precious time. Daniel is not getting any years younger... just older like me and all of us...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited June 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Oh really. You are just exceedingly harsh, too much so in my opinion. You are condemning their work pretty much entirely.

    And what about Casino Royale, StoneShi? That was predominantly Purvis and Wade apparently. Hardly a bad effort there, wouldn't you agree?

    And please give us the link to read the very first draft of TWINE; I would like to read it, and I think others would, too. Thanks.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 75
    PM me for the scrip. I can email it. Anyone is welcome but I am not sure if it flouts MI6 rules, so let me know. Warning it's not very good!

    I am in the minority but I see clearly that Casino Royale has a bad script. It does not flow, the dialogue is cringe and the ending is misguided. Scenes drag on for ever, truck tanker chase is out of place and a bad idea. Same goes for Quantum. Skyfall was a bit of an improvement but I contribute that to Logan.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I'll PM you, but we do list links for screenplays on this forum. I just haven't found one online listed as the first draft.
  • Posts: 75
    It is not available as a link, I was sent it. Took me 14 years to find it, been a Bond fan a long time now!

    Time for Purvis and Wade to go.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited June 2014 Posts: 12,480
    OK. I just asked for the link because you said it was easy to find online.
    I can find scripts online easily but usually which draft it is is not specified. Sometimes but not usually.

    I just PMd you. Thanks.

    Yes, I do love CR and think it is very well done, great dialog, the right balance of humor (which is probably your biggest concern about P&W; that is a key point for many of us) and a very good ending.

    QOS was flawed, for several reasons, but the ending of it lifts that film considerably and for me, actually saves the film.
  • Posts: 75
    None of Purvis and Wade humor is funny, that's the problem. Which makes them the worst possible choice for a dialogue polish. Why not a stand up comedian, someone to give a few gags, and happy good humor, be a couple weeks work. Not two months,
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Bruce Feirstein did not contribute humor to TWINE? How do you know that?
  • Posts: 75
    He did, reading the TWINE script proves that. I never mentioned Bruce Feirstein. The first draft of TWINE is a fiasco you can see why Cubby Broccolli family brought in witers to salvage it. The mystery is why P&W kept getting invited back.
  • RC7RC7
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    StoneShi wrote:
    Why not a stand up comedian

    It's a good job you're not the producer.
  • Posts: 75
    Do you object to having good laughs in Bond films.

    What was missing from Skyfall was some good jokes. They were very lame. Nothing to compare to Mankenwicz and Christopher Wood hay day.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    StoneShi, you mentioned Feirstein as being brought in on TWINE. I know he was brought in; I think he added humor. Anyway, thanks for the info.

    Skyfall's humor was fine for me and balanced. Humor in Bond films is tricky. I like the more subtle, dry humor and it definitely suits Craig. I don't want Moore in his heyday (and I do love him) humor for Craig's Bond. It would be so out of place.
  • Posts: 7,653
    StoneShi wrote:
    The mystery is why P&W kept getting invited back.

    Simple the Brosnan run was a very successful one, as any successful producer would tell you if it works you do not break it.
    With Cr they were once more involved with a very successful reboot, and their involvement with SF did not fail the movie either.

    These gents were involved in a highly monetary successful period for EON & Sony, so the question is not why were they brought back but what the hell has Logan been doing and what does Mendes, EON or Sony want as an end product??
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