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  • daltondalton
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    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    John Glen might not be the most creative, stylish or interesting director but he deserves respect. He made some great Bond films and his work rate was great. He was really dedicated to Bond, managing to make a film every two years for a decade. Mendes, Campbell, etc, none of them managed this. He was also great with action, his films have the best stunts of the series, and he managed to make different feeling films, he had variation (FYEO, OP and TLD are cold war thrillers, AVTAK is a camp, light hearted blockbuster and LTK is a gritty 80s action flick).

    Glen did a lot for the series and I don't think he gets enough recognition.

    Couldn't agree more. Even the "worst" of Glen's Bond films, A View to a Kill, is still a pretty entertaining film.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    dalton wrote: »
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    John Glen might not be the most creative, stylish or interesting director but he deserves respect. He made some great Bond films and his work rate was great. He was really dedicated to Bond, managing to make a film every two years for a decade. Mendes, Campbell, etc, none of them managed this. He was also great with action, his films have the best stunts of the series, and he managed to make different feeling films, he had variation (FYEO, OP and TLD are cold war thrillers, AVTAK is a camp, light hearted blockbuster and LTK is a gritty 80s action flick).

    Glen did a lot for the series and I don't think he gets enough recognition.

    Couldn't agree more. Even the "worst" of Glen's Bond films, A View to a Kill, is still a pretty entertaining film.

    Absolutely. Yes the guy was limited, yes he didn't do a lot with character, yes visually he lacked a lot.

    But he left behind some cracking Bond films.

    When Mendes is spending countless polishing his script and crafting his character arcs it would be nice if he could spare 5 minutes just to learn from some of Glen's action set pieces because he already knows how to do character and drama. He is lacking when it comes to action and this is where he needs to improve.

    No one before or after has bettered John Glen's action sequences and in a series such as the Bond films that is an impressive feat.

    Out of interest I just googled 'action directors' and got this list on Wikipedia:

    Aaron Norris
    Akira Kurosawa
    Albert Pyun
    Alex Shatford
    Ang Lee
    Andrew Davis
    Andrzej Bartkowiak
    Antoine Fuqua
    Chris Nahon
    Christopher Nolan
    Corey Yuen
    Deo Fajardo Sr.
    Deo Fajardo Jr.
    Doug Liman
    Dwight H. Little
    F. Gary Gray
    Fernando Poe Jr.
    George Pan Cosmatos
    Guy Ritchie
    J.J. Abrams
    J. Lee Thompson
    James Cameron
    Jan De Bont
    John Ford
    John McTiernan
    John Singleton
    John Sturges
    John Woo
    Joe Carnahan
    Joe Johnston
    Jon Favreau
    Jonathan Hensleigh
    Jonathan Liebesman
    Josh Trank
    Justin Lin
    Kathryn Bigelow
    Kevin Munroe
    Lito Lapid
    Louis Leterrier
    Luc Besson
    Marc Webb
    Martin Campbell
    McG
    Michael Bay
    Michael Mann
    Michael Winner
    Neil Blomkamp
    Neveldine/Taylor
    Paul Greengrass
    Pepe Marcos
    Paul Verhoeven
    Peter Berg
    Peter MacDonald
    Pierre Morel
    Peter Hyams
    Paul W.S. Anderson
    Quentin Tarantino
    Renny Harlin
    Richard Donner
    Ridley Scott
    Ringo Lam
    Rob Cohen
    Robert Rodriguez
    Roland Emmerich
    Sam Peckinpah
    Sam Raimi
    Sergio Leone
    Steven Spielberg
    Ted Kotcheff
    The Wachowski Brothers
    Tony Scott
    Toto Natividad
    Tsui Hark
    Walter Hill
    Wolfgang Petersen
    Wilson Yip
    Zack Snyder

    Takes the piss frankly. Apart from Spielberg and James Cameron I don't see anyone there who can compete on action terms with Glen's run of five thrill packed Bonds.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,960
    A Michael Mann Bond film...

    I've said it before: a Mann-directed Bond film would be so unique, so brutal, so excellent, but the style it would be in would most certainly divide the fans.
  • daltondalton
    Posts: 1,631
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    A Michael Mann Bond film...

    I've said it before: a Mann-directed Bond film would be so unique, so brutal, so excellent, but the style it would be in would most certainly divide the fans.

    I'd very much welcome a Bond film directed by Michael Mann. It would be different, but something like that is needed every once in a while with a series that has gone on as long as Bond has.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    I don't know, I think there are plenty of directors on that list who are great with action. Wolfgang Peterson, Richard Donner, John McTiernan, Kathryn Bigelow, Sam Peckinpah, John Woo (his Hong Kong films) are all pretty darn good.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,960
    I can't imagine how great it would look, but the editing and cinematography may upset some people. Not sure how, but I'd love it.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    WillyGalore wrote: »
    I don't know, I think there are plenty of directors on that list who are great with action. Wolfgang Peterson, Richard Donner, John McTiernan, Kathryn Bigelow, Sam Peckinpah, John Woo (his Hong Kong films) are all pretty darn good.

    They all have their moments I agree but can they point to 5 films on their CV boasting such a great collection of action scenes?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @Wizard, I was shocked to see Nolan on that list. I love the guy and he's one of my favorite filmmakers, but action is not his strong suit.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @Wizard, I was shocked to see Nolan on that list. I love the guy and he's one of my favorite filmmakers, but action is not his strong suit.

    Couldn't agree more mate. I find his action scenes incredibly pedestrian. For all those people who said the snow scenes in Inception were his homage to OHMSS I just found myself think 'Jesus if that's true I hope he never gets his hands on a Bond film.'

    That said I think given the shortlist of people who could direct the next Bond I'd still have him top 3 without a doubt. Hopefully Gary Powell could hold his hand on the action scenes.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @Wizard, I was shocked to see Nolan on that list. I love the guy and he's one of my favorite filmmakers, but action is not his strong suit.

    Couldn't agree more mate. I find his action scenes incredibly pedestrian. For all those people who said the snow scenes in Inception were his homage to OHMSS I just found myself think 'Jesus if that's true I hope he never gets his hands on a Bond film.'

    That said I think given the shortlist of people who could direct the next Bond I'd still have him top 3 without a doubt. Hopefully Gary Powell could hold his hand on the action scenes.

    Yeah, if chosen he definitely needs to be open to using a second unit director to shoot the action. The choreography for all his filmed fight scenes are brilliant like the mud pit fight in Batman Begins or the set pieces in Inception, but the framing is all off to the point that it cuts off part of the character's bodies that we should be seeing in full view. That affect clutters the camera and makes it look far too claustrophobic.

    I think his best executed piece of action from both a style and technical level is the hotel fight in Inception where Joseph Gordon Levitt's character is brawling all across the floor and walls with a baddie.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @Wizard, I was shocked to see Nolan on that list. I love the guy and he's one of my favorite filmmakers, but action is not his strong suit.

    Couldn't agree more mate. I find his action scenes incredibly pedestrian. For all those people who said the snow scenes in Inception were his homage to OHMSS I just found myself think 'Jesus if that's true I hope he never gets his hands on a Bond film.'

    That said I think given the shortlist of people who could direct the next Bond I'd still have him top 3 without a doubt. Hopefully Gary Powell could hold his hand on the action scenes.

    Yeah, if chosen he definitely needs to be open to using a second unit director to shoot the action. The choreography for all his filmed fight scenes are brilliant like the mud pit fight in Batman Begins or the set pieces in Inception, but the framing is all off to the point that it cuts off part of the character's bodies that we should be seeing in full view. That affect clutters the camera and makes it look far too claustrophobic.

    I think his best executed piece of action from both a style and technical level is the hotel fight in Inception where Joseph Gordon Levitt's character is brawling all across the floor and walls with a baddie.

    Even that sequence only turned out that way because of the rotating set they built. The camera was on a crane that was outside of the set and could insert or remove itself into the hall. Sort of forced cinematography. I'm sure with Alexander Witt he'd be fine for Bond though.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    The biggest shiv was seeing Marc Webb's name on that list. He's only action films are the 2 Amazing spider-man movies which commenced in 2012, the same year Gareth Evans released a redefinition if the action genre with the Raid and then this year's Raid 2. Evans' 2 Raid movies are so innovative and set a new bench mark in the action genre that he'd deserve a spot in the top 5 action directors of all time and yet the man's name isn't even on the list but Marc Webb is???? Absolute rubbish.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    @Wizard, I was shocked to see Nolan on that list. I love the guy and he's one of my favorite filmmakers, but action is not his strong suit.

    Couldn't agree more mate. I find his action scenes incredibly pedestrian. For all those people who said the snow scenes in Inception were his homage to OHMSS I just found myself think 'Jesus if that's true I hope he never gets his hands on a Bond film.'

    That said I think given the shortlist of people who could direct the next Bond I'd still have him top 3 without a doubt. Hopefully Gary Powell could hold his hand on the action scenes.

    Yeah, if chosen he definitely needs to be open to using a second unit director to shoot the action. The choreography for all his filmed fight scenes are brilliant like the mud pit fight in Batman Begins or the set pieces in Inception, but the framing is all off to the point that it cuts off part of the character's bodies that we should be seeing in full view. That affect clutters the camera and makes it look far too claustrophobic.

    I think his best executed piece of action from both a style and technical level is the hotel fight in Inception where Joseph Gordon Levitt's character is brawling all across the floor and walls with a baddie.

    Even that sequence only turned out that way because of the rotating set they built. The camera was on a crane that was outside of the set and could insert or remove itself into the hall. Sort of forced cinematography. I'm sure with Alexander Witt he'd be fine for Bond though.

    Hmm, that's quite interesting.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,106
    I wonder why for so many people the sine qua non criteria to be eligible to direct a Bond movie is to have directed action movies. I mean, seriously? How about crime fiction, war movies, historical movies? Movies which may not be proper or strictly speaking action movies, but do have enough action in them to give an idea of what the director can do.
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    edited July 2014 Posts: 2,015
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    And why is keeping Glen for five films the biggest mistake Albert ever made?

    I'll add some facts to answer to whose who think it's the biggest mistake.

    I already did some reminder about the 80s being the second box office reign of Bond, worldwide.. Now let's focus on the UK box office for instance :

    FYEO #1 of 1981 (just ahead of Superman II)

    OP #2 of 1983 ( 8 M£, #1 was Jedi with 12 M£). NSNA #3 with 7 M£. "Bond" did more than StarWars that year in the end :)

    AVATK #2 of 1985 (8M£, Back to the Future #1 with 12M£)

    TLD #1 of 1987 (far above the rest)

    LTK #7 of 1989.

    So they kept him as long he kept making top box office movies. And he could make them every two years !

    Now you may find box office should not be taken into account when making movies, but then please don't use "SF did a billion, they can't be wrong", in the next sentence :)

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I wonder why for so many people the sine qua non criteria to be eligible to direct a Bond movie is to have directed action movies. I mean, seriously? How about crime fiction, war movies, historical movies? Movies which may not be proper or strictly speaking action movies, but do have enough action in them to give an idea of what the director can do.

    We're not saying that's all it takes, but action is a big part of the Bond package, so an experience with some action directing wouldn't go amiss in a prospective Bond director. We all got on the topic of action and action directors because @TheWiz posted a list he found of compiled directors who have been active in that genre, that's all.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited July 2014 Posts: 4,512
    Steven Begg visual effects supervisor of CR and Skyfall returns for Bond 24.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003445/
    Interview with him, talking about another movie and some talk about whylen Derk Meddings
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1axUB4FahE

    Michael Lerman first assistant director of QOS and Skyfall returns too.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0503569/
    Interview with him around time of QOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNv2OVWmPjg
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    That's good news. Thanks!
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited July 2014 Posts: 5,745
    M_Balje wrote: »
    Steven Begg visual effects supervisor of CR and Skyfall returns for Bond 24.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003445/
    Interview with him, talking about another movie and some talk about whylen Derk Meddings
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1axUB4FahE

    Michael Lerman first assistant director of QOS and Skyfall returns too.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0503569/
    Interview with him around time of QOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNv2OVWmPjg

    Thank you! The OP has been updated. Funny how literally all of July (and the last news of June) have all been crew, and all returning crew at that. Production is gearing up!
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    M_Balje wrote: »
    Steven Begg visual effects supervisor of CR and Skyfall returns for Bond 24.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003445/
    Interview with him, talking about another movie and some talk about whylen Derk Meddings
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1axUB4FahE

    Michael Lerman first assistant director of QOS and Skyfall returns too.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0503569/
    Interview with him around time of QOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNv2OVWmPjg

    Thank you! The OP has been updated. Funny how literally all of July (and the last news of June) have all been crew, and all returning crew at that. Production is gearing up!

    Yep the pieces of the puzzle are all coming together now! Hopefully through August perhaps we will get a few rumours on cast and locations will come to light? Which gives us articles to debate! :-bd
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Great news. The crew is returning.
  • StoneShiStoneShi
    Posts: 75
    These bits of news just are not enough. Just think if John Logan had done is job properly in the 2 years he had available, we'd be getting location and title rumours now. Let's hope the production of Bond 25 is better managed and we get it while Craig is still young enough not to collect super.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    I'm excited but I keep thinking about how, if they hadn't waited for Mendes, we'd be getting trailers and previews now :( I think he did a good job with Skyfall but not sure he was worth waiting another year for.
  • TuuliaTuulia
    edited July 2014 Posts: 2,081
    I keep seeing that a lot, but they didn't exactly wait for Mendes, did they? He initially said no because he wanted - understandably - to do different kind of work after Skyfall. Did I imagine seeing bits here about some other directors having been approached, and them saying no? So time went on... and eventually enough time had passed that when Mendes was asked again he said yes. That's how I understood it anyway. Surely they didn't just sit around and wait for this particular director, but didn't manage to get anyone else suitable sooner, either, right? Wasn't the initial plan to get the new film out this year? (Or was it _only_ wishful thinking here?)
  • StoneShiStoneShi
    Posts: 75
    I believe Mendes has a steady hand. He is much more of a Gilbert/Hamilton type, so to me Skyfall felt more like a true Bond film. So he was worth waiting for IMO. But Skyfall worked because of him, not Logan - or god help us Purvis and Wade.

    IMO Logan should have written a good script and the Cubby Family should have managed things better. Mendes is what salvaged Skfall and he is what will salvage Bond 24... if it can be salvaged.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    There were other directors rumoured but I don't think anyone else was actually offered. They always wanted Mendes and I think what happened was that he eventually agreed to return after all if he had more time.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    StoneShi wrote: »
    Mendes is what salvaged Skfall and he is what will salvage Bond 24... if it can be salvaged.

    What makes you think Bond 24 needs to be salvaged at all?
  • StoneShiStoneShi
    Posts: 75
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    StoneShi wrote: »
    Mendes is what salvaged Skfall and he is what will salvage Bond 24... if it can be salvaged.

    What makes you think Bond 24 needs to be salvaged at all?

    The same thing that makes Cubby Broccoli Family think it needs to be salvaged... so much that they would push back the production of a big multi-million movie, at great cost I'm sure, several month. I run a Project Management Consultancy (Oravida Shanghai) and let's say if one of my projects fell behind that badly the manager would be sacked. So I won't be hiring making calls to Broccoli or Wilson after this mess up.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited July 2014 Posts: 4,619
    StoneShi wrote: »
    The same thing that makes Cubby Broccoli Family think it needs to be salvaged... so much that they would push back the production of a big multi-million movie, at great cost I'm sure, several month. I run a Project Management Consultancy (Oravida Shanghai) and let's say if one of my projects fell behind that badly the manager would be sacked. So I won't be hiring making calls to Broccoli or Wilson after this mess up.

    It was decided during pre-production that filming would start in December instead of November (if the rumors are true at all). Something like this isn't a big deal in film industry. They will still have more time to film Bond 24 and do the post-production than they did in the case of Casino Royale (which started filming in February!) and Quantum of Solcace (which started filming in January). Pre-production is all about making sure production will run smoothly. All they did was they back filming a little without changing the release date. No biggie.
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    As I don't know if there's a thread about who we want to direct future Bond movies I'll ask here- What about Luc Besson ? Would you like to see him as Bond director ?
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