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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Thanks for that correction @AgentJamesBond007, but my point still stands.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    I'm mixed on this... Newman didn't blow me away but it was a deeper layered score. Don't get the comparison to Zimmer though. Zimmer has a much fuller more epic symphonic sound that almost overshadows the usual pretense on screen.













  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    I'm mixed on this... Newman didn't blow me away but it was a deeper layered score. Don't get the comparison to Zimmer though. Zimmer has a much fuller more epic symphonic sound that almost overshadows the usual pretense on screen.

    Zimmer today is so Bland, his music is just loops that go on and on and on with the ocassional horn blow DUN DUNNNNNNN! It's so themeless. I could do the same thing in 10 seconds.

  • karatemanchan37karatemanchan37
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    Newman had a great score for Skyfall, but I would've loved to see him compose his version of the Bond theme now rather than use Arnold's remix.

    The question remains is that would Arnold's music be good enough for a script of John Logan's/Sam Mendes's caliber? We saw some hints in Casino Royale (particularly with the Vesper scenes) but I would be happy to see him return.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, I prefer Arnold. And he would do a lovely and appropriate score, I feel certain; he kept improving.
    But if Newman is back on board I hope he makes the necessary adjustment in attitude and effort. Theme song woven in at times, Bond theme at times. We shall see.

    Then I hope Arnold is back - or a new composer - for Bond 25. :)
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    Newman instead of Arnold? Sad news. SF had the worst score since Serra's GE, IMO.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited August 2014 Posts: 3,276
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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I could do the same thing in 10 seconds.
    aaaand your time starts... NOW! :!! ;)

    I agree though- overall, Newman's score was nothing special, though I do like the music when Bond operates the excavator and knocks off the <a href="http://www.vagcom.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/volkswagen-das-auto.jpg">Vee-Dubs</a>.
  • MalloryMallory
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    I think this is great news. I think the Skyfall score is really great and am curious to see what Newman has learnt from scoring a film of that size, and with those expectations, and how he tackles Bond 24. Very well, I hope.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited August 2014 Posts: 16,351
    QBranch wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I could do the same thing in 10 seconds.
    aaaand your time starts... NOW! :!! ;)

    Challenge accepted.


    Now compare that to something like this.


    I just want music with memorable iconic themes! Is that too much to ask? Step it up Newman!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2014 Posts: 12,480
    I'll say two key things about Newman (key for me anyway ...)

    ~ He has the talent.

    ~ He has been talked to/enlightened about expectations for a Bond film.

    So if he chooses otherwise, it is up to Mendes and producers to be firm.
    But he will probably want to be rather different in Bond 24 from what he did in Skyfall, so he may just rise to the challenge/expectations. One can hope.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Newman's Bond work is incredibly polarising and although there were some good tracks, overall his score was on the whole trash compared to Arnold's last 2 Bond efforts. Like someone else stated earlier, the guy even recycled some of Arnold's cues not to mention used Arnold's arrangement of the Bond theme. At this point, I don't care who we get just so long as it's not Newman.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited August 2014 Posts: 5,767
    I´m not saying that Arnold would be the perfect choice for Bond, but if it is indeed Newman again I sincerely hope he´ll do much better than last time.

    I´m still not getting how people can complain about Arnold and at the same time praise Newman´s SF score.
    I felt like listening to Arnold´s Bond scores again lately, and right now they feel a bit like blown up tv scores. But they still make a point.
    Newman´s SF score felt more cineastic, but beside having many moments that could be outtakes from Zimmer and Powell, it also doesn´t really make a clear statement. And I´m not talking about the half-assed SF CD compilation.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    I think, its strange - well to me - that when Arnold was more or less bashed when Newman was first announced (I never understood tat in the first place) its now the other way around. Personally I am glad, Arnold gets some deserved appeciation. IMO he was indeed better then Newman.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    IMO he was indeed better then Newman.

    Without a a doubt.
  • RC7RC7
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    I read Arnold's comment as an assumption. Mendes works with Newman, that's it. I don't see this as confirmation. That's not to say it won't be the case, but it wouldn't surprise me either if someone new came in.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    RC7 wrote: »
    I read Arnold's comment as an assumption. Mendes works with Newman, that's it. I don't see this as confirmation. That's not to say it won't be the case, but it wouldn't surprise me either if someone new came in.
    That's the way I read it too, but it might just me still hoping that Newman won't score Bond 24.
  • Matt_HelmMatt_Helm
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    Just another reason not to expect much of Bond 24.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I really hope Newman isn't returning. The SF score was so bland.
    RC7 wrote: »
    I read Arnold's comment as an assumption. Mendes works with Newman, that's it. I don't see this as confirmation

    Same.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I've listened to every Bond score over and over.

    I don't care about how Bond scores sound on their own. What I care about is how they complement each movie. It's not an accident that Skyfall is the first Bond score to get an Oscar nomination since 1977. (And no, it did not get that nomination just for the "Newman" name.)

    I've said it before and I've said it again: If David Arnold had scored SF, and it had sounded exactly the same as Newmans score, he wouldn't have gotten nominated. Newman got the Oscar nod because of who he is, it was undeserved and I'm really glad he didn't win.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Newman's Bond work is incredibly polarising and although there were some good tracks, overall his score was on the whole trash compared to Arnold's last 2 Bond efforts. Like someone else stated earlier, the guy even recycled some of Arnold's cues not to mention used Arnold's arrangement of the Bond theme. At this point, I don't care who we get just so long as it's not Newman.

    This.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    The Skyfall score had ten seconds of goodness, in the form of an instrumental Skyfall that plays when arriving at the Macau Casino.

    Apart from that, Skyfall's score is the least memorable to date.
    Although I would prefer Arnold over Newman, I would like to see a new composer take the helm of Bond 24.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    RC7 wrote: »
    I read Arnold's comment as an assumption. Mendes works with Newman, that's it. I don't see this as confirmation.

    Yeah, it doesn't really confirm Newman's return but it does confirm that David Arnold won't be the composer of Bond 24. Which is enough reason to celebrate.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    While I wouldn't call myself an Arnold fan (I don't own any of his Bond Scores) I was actually quite looking forward to him returning. I thought him having a break would reinvigorate him and he would come out of the gate with something to prove, especially after Newman's Oscar nod.

    I thought he was really onto something with his QOS score and for me was his best yet
    CR has it's moments but all round Solace has the edge with more consistency.

    While I'm a big fan of SF and Newman's score in parts was great, I can sympathise with those who thought it generic and not entirely memorable.

    I'd say that Arnold's non involvement doesn't guarantee his return and we might get someone new but I think with all likelihood we are going to get him back, I guess we'll see.
  • StoneShiStoneShi
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    Best news yet, get the team back. Newman added texture, mood to the movie. Severine". "Jellyfish". Not perfect but like someone else said the best Bond score since 1987. Since Barry hang up the old brainbox. Arnold just did the same track over and over. There are Bond Playstation games that have more memorable soundtracks. No offence to Arnold but let's hope we've seen the last of him for now.
  • Matt_HelmMatt_Helm
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    StoneShi wrote: »
    Best news yet, get the team back. Newman added texture, mood to the movie. Severine". "Jellyfish". Not perfect but like someone else said the best Bond score since 1987.

    Or as I say boring in the extreme. Newman (in SF at least, since I don't really know much of his other works) - just like Mendes (each and every time) - is all about pretense not substance.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    For clarification, the title isn't suggesting anything is confirmed besides Arnold not returning. That's the point of the question mark. If it read as a sentence it would mean confirmation.. I posed it as a question.

    Again, just clarifying. The OP doesn't state a confirmation either.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I could do the same thing in 10 seconds.
    aaaand your time starts... NOW! :!! ;)

    Challenge accepted.

    Well done, Wes. Yeah, when Hans really tries, it's golden. But these days he puts out a lot of cookie cutter loopy junk.
    I'm wondering- was there even music in SF? I don't really remember any...
    ;) ;)
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited August 2014 Posts: 3,276
    StoneShi wrote: »
    Best news yet, get the team back. Newman added texture, mood to the movie. Severine". "Jellyfish". Not perfect but like someone else said the best Bond score since 1987.

    You must really hate David Arnold's music since none of his scores at least equal Eric Serra's.

  • Risico007Risico007
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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I could do the same thing in 10 seconds.
    aaaand your time starts... NOW! :!! ;)

    Challenge accepted.

    Well done, Wes. Yeah, when Hans really tries, it's golden. But these days he puts out a lot of cookie cutter loopy junk.
    I'm wondering- was there even music in SF? I don't really remember any...
    ;) ;)

    Exactly my point. I wasn't really trying to bring Zimmer into this, but Newman clearly ripped him off at times during Skyfall. (When Bond is hanging from the Elevator for example.) My point was, If I could do something just as similar, It just makes it generic and lame. Standards for Bond music is very high. John Barry will never score a Bond movie again unfortunately. But at least David Arnold tried to stick with his distinct sound and complex and enjoyable compositions. Newman's score. (While good in the action department.) Just wasn't all there. It's like the score to The Spy who Loved me or For Your Eyes only, they had some good ques, but were otherwise subpar scores. I'd say bring Arnold back or get Michael Giacchino.

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