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  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    StoneShi wrote: »
    Best news yet, get the team back. Newman added texture, mood to the movie. Severine". "Jellyfish". Not perfect but like someone else said the best Bond score since 1987.

    No.
    StoneShi wrote: »
    . Arnold just did the same track over and over

    No.
    StoneShi wrote: »
    There are Bond Playstation games that have more memorable soundtracks.

    NO!

    Tomorrow Never Dies's soundtrack (I'm talking about the game) is just a bunch of techno remixes of Bond theme. Really.
    Every. Single. Track. (with a couple of "Surrender" cues, which, guess what, was made by David Arnold).
    TWINE's (the game, again) score was based on Arnold's score for the movie.
    I've listened to the other games' scores, they're just generic and boring scores, while Nightfire's score is made by remixing various theme songs like OHMSS, LALD, etc.
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    Risico007 wrote: »

    What a stupid article. There are thousands of people in the entertainment industry who would want to be involved in the next Bond film. Will they write articles about every single one of them?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2014 Posts: 13,355
    I have no idea who she is but that one has been around for a few days. I didn't even think it was worth posting.
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    Arnold produced his best score for QoS so I can only assume that he would continue his streak of improvement so I'd LOVE to have him back for Bond 24, especially if the score built upon his work for QoS.
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    Let´s not forget that Arnold did some of his finest work with Michael Price for the Sherlock series. Tv scores, yes, not very cinematic, but fiendishly entertaining.
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    Arnold produced his best score for QoS so I can only assume that he would continue his streak of improvement so I'd LOVE to have him back for Bond 24, especially if the score built upon his work for QoS.

    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Arnold produced his best score for QoS so I can only assume that he would continue his streak of improvement so I'd LOVE to have him back for Bond 24, especially if the score built upon his work for QoS.

    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.

    Mainly because Forster kept interfering with him and he had only a few short weeks to compose the score, can't really blame Arnold for that as John Barry has a similar situation happen to him with TMWTGG.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Arnold produced his best score for QoS so I can only assume that he would continue his streak of improvement so I'd LOVE to have him back for Bond 24, especially if the score built upon his work for QoS.

    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.

    Mainly because Forster kept interfering with him and he had only a few short weeks to compose the score, can't really blame Arnold for that as John Barry has a similar situation happen to him with TMWTGG.

    And still TMWTGG has a soundtrack with an identity and a sound of its own, which proves that a genius does not need so much time to create good material.

    Did you know that Ennio Morricone did write and conduct the soundtracks of OUTITW & TGTBTU before Sergio Leone started filming, he used the music to set a mood for his actors.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Arnold produced his best score for QoS so I can only assume that he would continue his streak of improvement so I'd LOVE to have him back for Bond 24, especially if the score built upon his work for QoS.

    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.

    Mainly because Forster kept interfering with him and he had only a few short weeks to compose the score, can't really blame Arnold for that as John Barry has a similar situation happen to him with TMWTGG.

    And still TMWTGG has a soundtrack with an identity and a sound of its own, which proves that a genius does not need so much time to create good material.

    Did you know that Ennio Morricone did write and conduct the soundtracks of OUTITW & TGTBTU before Sergio Leone started filming, he used the music to set a mood for his actors.
    So does QoS, It's not Arnold's best effort but it had tracks with "Identity." Such as Time to get out, Night at the Opera, What's keeping you awake?, Talamone, Camille's Story, The Dead don't care about vengeance and I never left.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Arnold produced his best score for QoS so I can only assume that he would continue his streak of improvement so I'd LOVE to have him back for Bond 24, especially if the score built upon his work for QoS.

    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.

    Mainly because Forster kept interfering with him and he had only a few short weeks to compose the score, can't really blame Arnold for that as John Barry has a similar situation happen to him with TMWTGG.

    And still TMWTGG has a soundtrack with an identity and a sound of its own, which proves that a genius does not need so much time to create good material.

    Did you know that Ennio Morricone did write and conduct the soundtracks of OUTITW & TGTBTU before Sergio Leone started filming, he used the music to set a mood for his actors.

    Let's be honest here, TMWTGG's score is pretty much based on the title song used over and over again.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.

    That's absolute rubbish.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    That is rubbish ...total rubbish. That's just bashing without even listening or whatever. I mean neither Arnold nor Newman are my pick but umm I'm not even remotely involved in any part of B24.
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    I'd say bring back John Barry, but that will not happen.
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Arnold produced his best score for QoS so I can only assume that he would continue his streak of improvement so I'd LOVE to have him back for Bond 24, especially if the score built upon his work for QoS.

    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.
    See, that´s what I mean. How can one say the QOS score lacked direction and at the same time chose Newman instead?



    SaintMark wrote: »
    And still TMWTGG has a soundtrack with an identity and a sound of its own, which proves that a genius does not need so much time to create good material.
    QOS has a lot of identity. And being a genius didn´t keep Barry from doing a lot of boring soundtracks (a lot of his non-Bond material)

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Even Barry's score to the awful King Kong was pretty good. :)>-
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    If anything QoS showed he had NO CLUE WHATSOEVER in what direction to go and really come up with anything not borrowed from JB and be really good. QoB showed his limitations as a composer.

    Newman or somebody new with real skills, please.

    That's absolute rubbish.

    Yes I concur the QoB is absolute rubbish as a soundtrack both in the movie and stand alone.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I actually think his QOS score is his best but Saintmark has such loathing for QOB as he calls it, he's unlikely to acknowledge anything good about it.

    I'd watch it over a good few entries in a heartbeat personally. I much rather see Arnold coming up with his own ideas as opposed to fire up the JB theme when he's lacking ideas. Both CR and QOS saw him without his safety net and he didn't do too badly.

    Are there better composers out there to score Bond, I would say yes but EON like their family and Arnold is one of them and he will return no doubt.

    Anyone thinking that we'll get scores like the genius of John Barry again are dreaming.
    Barry was a one off and a musical genius, there is only a handful of film composer that can be mentioned alongside him.

    He not only influenced film music but informed popular culture full stop, his sound influenced the likes of the Beatles, his sound has pretty much seeped into most musical genres, his legacy is untouchable, no film composer today will ever do that again.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2014 Posts: 12,480
    A good friend of mine, a musician, had said that Arnold's work was improving and that could be found on the QOS soundtrack. He appreciated Arnold more than Newman.

    I'm not a musician, so I cannot look at the soundtracks with that kind of critical appreciation ... but I appreciate what Barry brought to the series very much; and I also appreciate Arnold's efforts to be creative and yet also to bring us some of the Barry influence here and there. Arnold seemed to respect the intent and tone of the Bond films far more than Newman. And for sure it seems that Arnold's ego was never too big.

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    This news does not distress me too much to be honest. Although i do think that David Arnold will return at some point in the future?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I hope Arnold does return for Bond 25. :) Yet I am happy for new composers to have the chance, too.
    Newman just needs to incorporate some other things, step up his game, and put his heart into making a good Bond soundtrack. Which I think he can do. So if he is on board, then I really hope he tries this time.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    A good friend of mine, a musician, had said that Arnold's work was improving and that could be found on the QOS soundtrack. He appreciated Arnold more than Newman.

    I'm not a musician, so I cannot look at the soundtracks with that kind of critical appreciation ... but I appreciate what Barry brought to the series very much; and I also appreciate Arnold's efforts to be creative and yet also to bring us some of the Barry influence here and there. Arnold seemed to respect the intent and tone of the Bond films far more than Newman. And for sure it seems that Arnold's ego was never too big.

    I don't think you have to be a musician to appreciate music. Of course a musician understands music much better than a non-musician, but that doesn't mean the latter is an idiot.

    Moreover, even an idiot could understand that Arnold's scores are way better than Newman.
    Just compare "Backseat driver" with "Shangai Drive", "City of Lovers" with "Severine", "What's keeping you awake" with "Mother", "Antonov" with "Deep Water" and so on.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Walecs wrote: »
    A good friend of mine, a musician, had said that Arnold's work was improving and that could be found on the QOS soundtrack. He appreciated Arnold more than Newman.

    I'm not a musician, so I cannot look at the soundtracks with that kind of critical appreciation ... but I appreciate what Barry brought to the series very much; and I also appreciate Arnold's efforts to be creative and yet also to bring us some of the Barry influence here and there. Arnold seemed to respect the intent and tone of the Bond films far more than Newman. And for sure it seems that Arnold's ego was never too big.

    I don't think you have to be a musician to appreciate music. Of course a musician understands music much better than a non-musician, but that doesn't mean the latter is an idiot.

    Moreover, even an idiot could understand that Arnold's scores are way better than Newman.
    Just compare "Backseat driver" with "Shangai Drive", "City of Lovers" with "Severine", "What's keeping you awake" with "Mother", "Antonov" with "Deep Water" and so on.

    Post of the day! =D>
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    This news does not distress me too much to be honest. Although i do think that David Arnold will return at some point in the future?

    I do sincerely hope we have seen the last of him in the 007 franchise. Family or not.

    As for DA improving, I am willing to believe anybody who says so. But his music has NO cohesion in a soundtrack and any of his songs can be in any of the two efforts DA made without JB safety net. He showed that coming up with a cohesive soundtrack and an exciting new score is yet way beyond his skills.

    The best music in QoB was nothing DA composed but a rather more talented fellow whose music is still played after his death. ;)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    This news does not distress me too much to be honest. Although i do think that David Arnold will return at some point in the future?

    I do sincerely hope we have seen the last of him in the 007 franchise. Family or not.

    As for DA improving, I am willing to believe anybody who says so. But his music has NO cohesion in a soundtrack and any of his songs can be in any of the two efforts DA made without JB safety net. He showed that coming up with a cohesive soundtrack and an exciting new score is yet way beyond his skills.

    The best music in QoB was nothing DA composed but a rather more talented fellow whose music is still played after his death. ;)

    Why do you think he's so bad? What tracks has he composed that offend you so badly?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    And my favorite piece in all of Skyfall is the lovely "Komodo Dragon" track (Bond arriving by boat at the casino), which apparently Newman was barely involved with.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    This news does not distress me too much to be honest. Although i do think that David Arnold will return at some point in the future?

    I do sincerely hope we have seen the last of him in the 007 franchise. Family or not.

    As for DA improving, I am willing to believe anybody who says so. But his music has NO cohesion in a soundtrack and any of his songs can be in any of the two efforts DA made without JB safety net. He showed that coming up with a cohesive soundtrack and an exciting new score is yet way beyond his skills.

    The best music in QoB was nothing DA composed but a rather more talented fellow whose music is still played after his death. ;)

    Why do you think he's so bad? What tracks has he composed that offend you so badly?

    First he was a drum 'n bass copy of John Barry, then he was let loose with the possibility of creating a new 007 identity away from the John Barry created music. In two movies he did some nice pieces of music but it lacked any identity and was more elevator worthy music, nothing exciting at all.

    Newman was not a great improvement but his music showed some depth and was overall cohesive as a soundtrack. That said I would not mind a talented new name on the ticket that gets the same shot as Arnold, create a new musical direction and make it sound exciting.

    Star Trek has gotten an exciting new sound why should the 007 franchise deserve anything less.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    First he was a drum 'n bass copy of John Barry, then he was let loose with the possibility of creating a new 007 identity away from the John Barry created music. In two movies he did some nice pieces of music but it lacked any identity and was more elevator worthy music, nothing exciting at all.

    You didn't really name any examples like I asked you too so I can't really give a counter argument.

    Newman was not a great improvement but his music showed some depth and was overall cohesive as a soundtrack. That said I would not mind a talented new name on the ticket that gets the same shot as Arnold, create a new musical direction and make it sound exciting.

    At times Newman sounded like he was copying other composers such as Arnold and Zimmer, I don't see how that shows Depth or Cohesion. More of a sloppy Job to me. Arnold's music has remained consistant and carry the respective theme of the movie along, can't say the same for Skyfall which constantly reuses same cues and recycles cues from Casino Royale.


    Star Trek has gotten an exciting new sound why should the 007 franchise deserve anything less.

    Giacchino's music for the Reboot takes homage from the music from the Television show that inspired it while making it his own, as has Arnold with Bond music. He payed homage to John Barry while putting his own spin on music.

    My points in bold.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @SaintMark, here's some 007 elevator music :P

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    Murdock wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    First he was a drum 'n bass copy of John Barry, then he was let loose with the possibility of creating a new 007 identity away from the John Barry created music. In two movies he did some nice pieces of music but it lacked any identity and was more elevator worthy music, nothing exciting at all.

    You didn't really name any examples like I asked you too so I can't really give a counter argument.
    That is because DA's music just disappointing when he was allowed to do his own thing, there are moments of beauty and then long pieces of nothingness.

    Newman was not a great improvement but his music showed some depth and was overall cohesive as a soundtrack. That said I would not mind a talented new name on the ticket that gets the same shot as Arnold, create a new musical direction and make it sound exciting.


    At times Newman sounded like he was copying other composers such as Arnold and Zimmer, I don't see how that shows Depth or Cohesion. More of a sloppy Job to me. Arnold's music has remained consistant and carry the respective theme of the movie along, can't say the same for Skyfall which constantly reuses same cues and recycles cues from Casino Royale.

    Newman does not compose and copy from the likes of Arnold & Zimmer, if you have listened to some of their work you would know. It certainly is not Newmans best I would agree with you, too bad he didn't do his A game. In which case we would no longer discus Newman. As a soundtrack SF sounded better and fuller to me.

    Star Trek has gotten an exciting new sound why should the 007 franchise deserve anything less.

    Giacchino's music for the Reboot takes homage from the music from the Television show that inspired it while making it his own, as has Arnold with Bond music. He payed homage to John Barry while putting his own spin on music.
    Giacchino did do the job that Arnold got a chance to do and with his own stuff in CR & QoB could not do. So Yeah I would love to hear Giacchinos take on the 007 franchise, a shucks he already did in The Incredibles. And DA has not touched that kind of skill. Hence this composer as an example, he is an example of being able to homage and instill his own special sound into a franchise. Something I expected from DA and did not get. DA is grossly overrated in the 007 franchise, and the family aspect is overrated with EON. I do hope that like the bad CGI in DAD, poor scripting with QoB & SF we can distance ourselves from the likes of DA.

    My points in bold.

    My points in cursive.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    That is because DA's music just disappointing when he was allowed to do his own thing, there are moments of beauty and then long pieces of nothingness.

    You can't say something is bad without giving a good reason other than it disappointed you. I asked you what songs Arnold wrote that you specifically didn't enjoy.

    Newman does not compose and copy from the likes of Arnold & Zimmer, if you have listened to some of their work you would know. It certainly is not Newmans best I would agree with you, too bad he didn't do his A game. In which case we would no longer discus Newman. As a soundtrack SF sounded better and fuller to me.

    Here's where he copies from Hans Zimmer.





    Here's where he copies from David Arnold from 3:04 on he uses exact cues!





    Giacchino did do the job that Arnold got a chance to do and with his own stuff in CR & QoB could not do. So Yeah I would love to hear Giacchinos take on the 007 franchise, a shucks he already did in The Incredibles. And DA has not touched that kind of skill. Hence this composer as an example, he is an example of being able to homage and instill his own special sound into a franchise. Something I expected from DA and did not get. DA is grossly overrated in the 007 franchise, and the family aspect is overrated with EON. I do hope that like the bad CGI in DAD, poor scripting with QoB & SF we can distance ourselves from the likes of DA.

    David Arnold had nothing to do with DAD and QOS's problems, that's a childish excuse for not liking someone. It's like me hating John Barry because Starcrash sucked and you completely ignored my response as usual.

    My points in cursive. [/quote]

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