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The GE sequence is actually a guy in freefall chasing a plane, it's just the background that is faked. I can forgive it a lot more than QOS because at least a guy is out there risking his life.
The TMWTGG and AVTAK are great moments stupidly ruined (although I'm sure mcdonbb would suggest they could be improved by being done with CGI instead) but they can never be as bad as the QOS scene which was always going to be crap.
I also love those DAD extras where some Kiwi bird (not saying she only got the job because she's Tanahori's mate but I'd be surprised if she ever worked again) talks us through it all telling us how they created all these algorithms for how the icebergs should float in the water etc and then at the end proudly seems to think she's delivered effects as ground breaking as Jurassic Park. More deluded than Nicolas Bendtner. Absolute comedy gold.
I certainly hope it does give us something to argue about. If it doesnt that means it is the dullest, anodyne, most PC film ever. I'm tempted to quote Algernon's line from NSNA here about gratuitous sex and violence.
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Well, in all honesty, I think it's important that the action is credible and smoothly woven into the story/plot. For instance the PTS in 'Skyfall' worked for me, because there was an Hitchcock-ian item worth to fight for (in "FRWL" the Lektor), the "harddrive containing a list of NATO-secret agents embedded in terrorist organisations.
So once the action starts, the viewer is aware of the seriousness of the action. It's not just an "out of the blue" action sequence. The way Patrice is basically emptying his gun on a Turkish bazaar market is the start of that seriousness. People are shouting and screaming like a real terrorist attack is happening. From that moment onwards everything works.
I agree completely that the airplane sequence in QOS was incredibly stupid. In part because the cinematography for that sequence was plain awful. It made me dizzy to watch it. Because there were almost no aerial shots. The music was awful. And, indeed, because the CGI was utterly crap.
But most importantly....it felt like a loose item of action, badly incorporated into the storyline. Most importantly, why did they took that old crap airplane, when there was a small tourist jet on that abandonded airstrip?? Again proof that this scene just had to be put into the movie somewhere.
While I acknowledge SF's plot has ? over it I find the film so thrilling and the PTS is exceptional, the film is a complete blast for me and whereas as I love CR I don't find anything in SF that is as generic and bland as the Miami sequence, the Raiders rip off with that Austin Powers Brass when the Sky Plane is revealed.
I'll taking the sinking house sequence over that any day and at least it's quite original.
I do think though it's time for an all out triumphant sequence with the Bond theme blaring, Craig's earnt one of these and I hope Bond 24 delivers on that.
I don't know many other people who do, but I love the sinking house sequence. I think it's inventive, distinctive and executed very well. It's more original and memorable than a lot of the action scenes since. Hopefully B24 will deliver something similar. I agree that Craig needs a bombastic bit of Bond theme-fuelled action.
That video footage is simply breathtaking! :-O
And given the yes vote perhaps squeeze in a Union Jack parachute (real not CGI) somewhere?
1.) Craig was spotted on a plane to Marrakech. Morroco has been a rumoured location for Bond 24 so it's likely he is on the trip for his 007 duties.
2.) Joanne Froggat has fuelled rumours she screentested for a role in Bond 24
http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/513194/Downton-Abbey-s-Joanne-Froggatt-could-star-in-next-James-Bond-film
Or perhaps a cameo in MI5 which is currently filming on location in several Moroccan cities, including Casablanca, Marrakech and the capital of Rabat. ;-) (after shooting several sequences in Austria!!!)
Official news in Morroco are reporting though that (using Google Translate):
"19.09.14. According to the specialized sites cinematic section 24 of the Universal film "James Bond" will start filming on the sixth of next Dhanbr Morocco and specifically in southern Morocco where movies like "Lawrence of Arabia" ,"Cleopatra" ,"Kingdom of Heaven" "Alexander the Great" ,"Gladiator" and "Troy" have been shot"
http://tinyurl.com/nor8nd4
So Morroco could be doubling for somewhere else, like the movies mentioned.
Edit: They've already been down there, when shooting TLD, which doubled for Afghanistan.
Basically it could be made to look like anywhere in the middle east, which wouldn't surprise me if they did, since doubling is a trademark for the Bond-franchise, unlike MI. SF went overboard with the doubling.
Quarzazate is a location used a lot in Morocco:
http://tinyurl.com/n6uvkrh
But its nice to read, she says so herself. Not Bond girl material, I mean. What role could that be? The only ugly female character ever, as far as I know, was Rosa Klebb. And no, Joanne is not ugly.
What the hell?! Lol... yeah SF went overboard with doubling... Turkey doubling for Turkey, London doubling for umm London.... and Heaven forbid Scotland doubling for Scotland.
That's the dumbest damn comment I've read on here yet. If you like MI so much why are you here? You obviously have a bias against Bond or you would've had made such a comment.
Agree 100%.
A Bond girl should be utterly unattainable except in my wildest dreams. Have you seen Froggatt in Coronation St and Filth? When I watch a Bond film I shouldnt be thinking 'I could pull her in a bar' and thinking at the same time I could be doing better. Compare those pictures of her above, which are obviously from some premiere, and the ones of Eva and Berenice from the CR and SF premieres. Theyre in a totally different league.
And as you say she isnt ugly enough to play a Klebb type character (although you are forgetting your fellow German Ilse Steppatt!).
So if she is part of the cast shes not fit enough for Bond to shag and she doesnt have any sense of menace to play a villainess so what role could she be playing? Random woman in a crowd scene? Usually even hotel receptionists in Bond are gorgeous so I just dont see where an average looking woman fits in. Are they rebooting Saida?
As the man who thinks the QOS freefall scene is better than the MR one you're certainly one of the best qualified people to comment on this.
Look, guy. You fail to see my point.
In SF almost every location were shot somewhere else than on location. The manor house in Scotland? Shot in Surrey, England. The Shanghai scenes? Shot entirely in London (except some establishing shots). The floating casino in Macao? Shot in London. Silva's Island? Shot at Pinewood. Daniel Craig shot all his scenes in England and Turkey. You'd get the idea. Or maybe you don't.
Yes, and I like the MI-movies. A lot. Guess you can't be a Bond-fan at the same time, eh?
And yes... there's something to be learned from the MI-franchise. SF had a budget of 200 million, MI: Ghost Protocol had a budget of 150 million. In GP the money was "all up there on the screen" (thank you, Broccoli), in SF it didn't really show, IMO.
In GP they went to Dubai to shoot Cruise hanging from the tallest building in the world. Had this been in a Bond-movie, they would have shot everything in Pinewood and added CGI.
The latest two MI-movies are perfect examples of how to use locations and its surroundings well. And so far MI:5 is shaping up the exact same way.
So this so-called "bias" you are accusing me of? That's merely a wish that we will actually get to see Bond in Rome, Austria and Morocco doing stuff, much like the PTS in SF, which was shot 80% on location in Istanbul (the rest in Adana). I don't want Austria to double for Iceland or Norway (or somewhere else with snow) or Morocco doubling for Syria, Pakistan or somewhere else in the middle east, although it's likely, unfortunately. At least Via Quattro Fontane in Rome will probably turn up as Via Quattro Fontane in Rome in SF 24 ;-)
Not Bond material. Not at all!
How rich.
100% agreed with @Zekidk. The Shanghai scenes were disappointing to say the least. Filming on location was an asset to the films such as DN, FRWL, OHMSS and YOLT.
I don't mind Morocco doubling for Afghanistan in TLD or Bahamas doubling for Madagascar in CR etc. etc., but there should be a limit as to how much is filmed at Pinewood (stage or backlot) doubling for some location in the world. Much negative have been said about QoS, but at least the locations were spot on.
Although to be honest I don't think Mendes seems bothered about the sex side of the Bond films (or the action side either). SF had only one real Bond girl (who had hardly any screentime) and there wasn't a real sex scene. We see Bond getting off with two girls (nameless Turkish girl and Severine) but both times the scene only lasts for literally a few seconds, then we cut away.
It seems like Mendes only included a Bond girl at all in SF because he had to and he had Bond shag her then killed her off as quickly as possible so he could get back to the drama, character piece stuff that he likes to do.
Same with the action really. The best action scene (and the only real big set piece) was the PTS, which he got out of the way as quickly as possible before moving on to all the drama stuff with M.
To be honest while I am really excited for Bond 24, the more I think about it, the more disappointed I am that Mendes is back.