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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    For another thread perhaps, but the term black can mean other than African American.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2014 Posts: 10,591
    I checked Elba's schedule, and it appears that he's not too busy for work on Bond 24. His current project is Beasts of No Nation , which will most likely finish filming before December, as it started in June. His only project in 2015 is voice work for The Jungle Book, set for release on Oct 9th, 2015 and Finding Dory, in 2016. Additionally, he also previously worked with Naomie Harris in Mandela, Long Walk To Freedom:)
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    How serious is the new Idris Elba rumour? Does it exist only because Ejiofor is seemingly out?

    A long time, trustworthy member of another 007 forum wrote that Ejiofor is not the name he was given nearly 12 months ago, but he was the back up. So it could be possible they got the actor they wanted and that's why Ejiofor is out.

    When someone asked this person whether the name he was given was a black actor too, he replied that "Yes...that was the whole idea about the villain this time out..." So if all of this is true, then the main villain will be played by a black actor. Ejiofor is British. Does that mean their first choice is British too? If yes, Idris Elba seems to be the most likely candidate.
    jake24 wrote: »
    I checked Elba's schedule, and it appears that he's not too busy for work on Bond 24. His current project is Beasts of No Nation , which will most likely finish filming before December, as it started in June. His only project in 2015 is voice work for The Jungle Book, set for release on Oct 9th, 2015 and Finding Dory, in 2016. Additionally, he also previously worked with Naomie Harris in Mandela, Long Walk To Freedom:)

    Well, now this sounds like some "maybe, definitely" news worth commenting on. Idris Elba would make a fantastic main villain. He's engaging as an actor and has a tall, muscular physique, which could lead to a very satisfying hand-to-hand final combat with Bond. (I know there's Bautista to battle as well, but we've had physically capable villain/henchmen match-ups before: Kananga/Samedi/Tee Hee, Sanchez/Dario, Trevelyan/Xenia.)
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2014 Posts: 10,591
    Ludovico wrote: »
    How serious is the new Idris Elba rumour? Does it exist only because Ejiofor is seemingly out?

    A long time, trustworthy member of another 007 forum wrote that Ejiofor is not the name he was given nearly 12 months ago, but he was the back up. So it could be possible they got the actor they wanted and that's why Ejiofor is out.

    When someone asked this person whether the name he was given was a black actor too, he replied that "Yes...that was the whole idea about the villain this time out..." So if all of this is true, then the main villain will be played by a black actor. Ejiofor is British. Does that mean their first choice is British too? If yes, Idris Elba seems to be the most likely candidate.
    jake24 wrote: »
    I checked Elba's schedule, and it appears that he's not too busy for work on Bond 24. His current project is Beasts of No Nation , which will most likely finish filming before December, as it started in June. His only project in 2015 is voice work for The Jungle Book, set for release on Oct 9th, 2015 and Finding Dory, in 2016. Additionally, he also previously worked with Naomie Harris in Mandela, Long Walk To Freedom:)

    Well, now this sounds like some "maybe, definitely" news worth commenting on. Idris Elba would make a fantastic main villain. He's engaging as an actor and has a tall, muscular physique, which could lead to a very satisfying hand-to-hand final combat with Bond. (I know there's Bautista to battle as well, but we've had physically capable villain/henchmen match-ups before: Kananga/Samedi/Tee Hee, Sanchez/Dario, Trevelyan/Xenia.)
    I'm really starting to like the idea of Elba as a villain. He follows in the footsteps of some previous actors who played fantastic villains in the past (that is if he's cast of course). :)
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    I wonder if Elba is the main villian interesting I wonder if his character is Boneparte Ingelcias Garcia and i wonder if the sale of Pirates gold is part of the plot and that he is part of Quantum
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Elba is an impressive, charismatic actor; he would make a great adversary for 007.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2014 Posts: 10,591
    talos7 wrote: »
    Elba is an impressive, charismatic actor; he would make a great adversary for 007.
    His laugh sounds pretty evil; I've heard it in interviews. :))
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    jake24 wrote: »
    If the rumors are true about them wanting to cast an African American actor to play the villain,

    The rumors are about them wanting to cast a black actor. Neither Ejiofor, nor Elba are African American.

    Ludovico wrote: »
    How serious is the new Idris Elba rumour? Does it exist only because Ejiofor is seemingly out?

    A long time, trustworthy member of another 007 forum wrote that Ejiofor is not the name he was given nearly 12 months ago, but he was the back up. So it could be possible they got the actor they wanted and that's why Ejiofor is out.

    When someone asked this person whether the name he was given was a black actor too, he replied that "Yes...that was the whole idea about the villain this time out..." So if all of this is true, then the main villain will be played by a black actor. Ejiofor is British. Does that mean their first choice is British too? If yes, Idris Elba seems to be the most likely candidate.

    That would make sense. My hypothesis: Buonaparte Ignace Gallia, or someone based on the character. And before I get misinterpreted: NOT Kananga, NOT for a remake of LALD. In any case, Elba would make a great Gallia and a far more believable Flemingesque villain (IMO) than Ejiofor.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2014 Posts: 10,591
    That would make sense. My hypothesis: Buonaparte Ignace Gallia, or someone based on the character. And before I get misinterpreted: NOT Kananga, NOT for a remake of LALD. In any case, Elba would make a great Gallia and a far more believable Flemingesque villain (IMO) than Ejiofor.

    I highly doubt that they'll reintroduce a character that has only appeared in one movie. But I could be wrong, it may work.




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    The name is so different it could be used and I doubt any one would realize much like using Hugo vonDrache
  • Risico007 wrote: »
    The name is so different it could be used and I doubt any one would realize much like using Hugo vonDrache

    Buonaparte Ignace Gallia is such a fantastic name I would be disappointed if they did the character as written in the book and did not use the name. No need to call him Mr. Big at any point. Gallia will do.
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    I guess David Oyelowo is not out of the question either. Although he looks really young, he is a year older than Ejiofor and is a classically trained British stage actor.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Well, for sure he does not have to play Mr. Big/Kananga. I highly doubt they would make that character have its own reboot - it would be substantially different, no doubt. But really, any time a black actor is mentioned it seems Mr. Big/Kananga is mentioned. But I don't link the two. Not even calling the character by his full name, please. I'd really rather not. Make it a different name, different character. Idris is a fine actor and IF hired, I'm sure would do a great job in the role, no matter what the main villain is written to be like. I rather hope it is him. :)
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    What about a very good villain period? Regardless of its skin colour or sexy? I hear Ejiofor, Elba, Washington mentioned. But there are so many good actors and actresses. From Helen Mirren to Christoph Waltz, from Michael Shannon to Tilda Swinton, from William Dafoe to John Malkovich.

    In any case.......we're still without any clue about the leading villain. Another 5.5 weeks to go....
  • RC7RC7
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    What about a very good villain period? Regardless of its skin colour or sexy? I hear Ejiofor, Elba, Washington mentioned. But there are so many good actors and actresses. From Helen Mirren to Christoph Waltz, from Michael Shannon to Tilda Swinton, from William Dafoe to John Malkovich.

    It would be nice to see a non-white or female main villain, just for the sake of variety. Whether African, Middle-Eastern, Asian or South-East Asian, I don't mind. Every villain since Yaphet Kotto...

    Chris Lee
    Kurt Jurgens
    Michael Lonsdale
    Julian Glover
    Louis Jourdan
    Chris Walken
    Jeroen Krabbe
    Robert Davi
    Sean Bean
    Jonathan Price
    Sophie Marceau
    Toby Stephens
    Mads Mikkelsen
    Matthieu Amalric
    Javier Bardem

    Bit of a pattern there.
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    As much as I love Idris Elba as an actor, I think casting him as the Bond villain for Bond 24 would be a bit of a cop out seeing as he had so much news and controversy surrounding him being up for the role of James Bond himself. Also, I think we need to stop judging whether someone's going to be cast by their future film schedules because seeing that Lea has about 2 other films coming out next year and still has time for Bond, it doesn't make a difference.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    It's common sense! Elba isn't young enough to be a Bond successor. Any white guy for that matter who is Elba ' s age will never be a Bond successor. Bond 24 hasn't even started filming yet and Craig us still contracted to do Bond 25. It's not a cop out. Besides, Elba doesn't want to be Bond anyway for reasons I already mentioned. Just because some people want something for someone, that someone doesn't doesn't necessarily want it for themselves.

    Anyway, I think Elba maybe the villain as I seem to remember he did have meeting with the producers around the time SF was just released which Naomi Harris confirmed.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Of course getting a great actor/actress as the main villain is the most important thing. I was discussing Idris Elba only because he was just brought up for discussion, and that was because apparently Ejiofor will not be that character. Still all assumptions, but that is why it came up.

    I don't put a whole lot of weight on what we, from this distance, can see regarding actors' schedules.
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote: »
    What about a very good villain period? Regardless of its skin colour or sexy? I hear Ejiofor, Elba, Washington mentioned. But there are so many good actors and actresses. From Helen Mirren to Christoph Waltz, from Michael Shannon to Tilda Swinton, from William Dafoe to John Malkovich.

    It would be nice to see a non-white or female main villain, just for the sake of variety. Whether African, Middle-Eastern, Asian or South-East Asian, I don't mind. Every villain since Yaphet Kotto...

    Chris Lee
    Kurt Jurgens
    Michael Lonsdale
    Julian Glover
    Louis Jourdan
    Chris Walken
    Jeroen Krabbe
    Robert Davi
    Sean Bean
    Jonathan Price
    Sophie Marceau
    Toby Stephens
    Mads Mikkelsen
    Matthieu Amalric
    Javier Bardem

    Bit of a pattern there.

    I disagree. I am against every form of discrimination. Even positive discrimination. I'm not accusing you of this @RC7, but for me personally the variety argument does not hold. For me, what's foremost important, are acting skills combined with how the character fits in the plot. Having said that, I do think looks are important, but it's not related to sexe or skin colour.

    An example: You could either cast Helen Mirren or Tilda Swinton. And you can also consider Marion Cotillard or Rachel Weisz. But I think the first two actresses have a kind of uniqueness to their looks/appearances. Helen and Tilda for me look more credible as a villain than Marion or Rachel.

    Same with non-white actors. In all honesty, for me the looks of Chiwetel Eijofor are more convincing for a leading villain than the more handsome, protagonist-esque looks of Idris Elba.

    So again, looks are important, just not the sexe and skin colour. And again, it all comes down to acting. For me personally, and I'm surprised not so many fans mention it, Javier Bardem was a mastermind's casting choice. Mads Mikkelsen worked as villain, but Javier Bardem as Silva for me worked even more. Charismatic, engaging, complex, convincing screenplay written for his lines, perfect looks, tiny little traits (slightly gay-ish smirks and sighs...my God, it worked).

    To close this post, I did a little rating of your list of villains ;-):
    --> 5/5 - Chris Lee: Suave and well-spoken villain, he forces Moore to counteract his strong arguments
    --> 4/5 - Kurt Jurgens: Could very well be the Anthony Dawson/Pohlmann-Blofeld
    --> 3/5 - Michael Lonsdale: Bit more of the same
    --> 2/5 - Julian Glover: Very "human", but lacks psychotic traits for me
    --> 2/5 - Louis Jourdan: For me Orlov was the real villain
    --> 5/5 - Chris Walken: Still my favourite villain of the Moore-era, thoroughly enjoys killing....smirks over dead bodies, a true psychopath
    --> 1/5 - Jeroen Krabbe: Although I'm Dutch, he didn't do it for me
    --> 4/5 - Robert Davi: Psychopathic drug lord
    --> 2/5 - Sean Bean: For me the wrong actor for the job, too charismatic to be an antagonist, slightly overacted
    --> 3/5 - Jonathan Price: OK-casting, just at times a little bit over the top
    --> 4/5 - Sophie Marceau: The "Viona Volpe" of the Brosnan-films, complex character
    --> 1/5 - Toby Stephens: Completely unbelievable acting, he lacks nuance in his smirks, looks constantly "angry" out of the blue
    --> 4/5 - Mads Mikkelsen: Wunderful Danish character actor, Hitler-esque looks
    --> 3/5 - Matthieu Amalric: Actually not that bad, big black eyes staring at you like the devil
    --> 5/5 - Javier Bardem: Absolutely convincing piece of acting, best Bond-villain since Dr. No, Goldfinger, Blofeld (FRWL, TB) and Zorin. First Bond villain-actor to receive an Screen Actor's Guild Award nomination

    And just a quick glance on the rest of the villains:
    --> 5/5 - Joseph Wiseman: The way he grinds that little statue, his lines "East, West, to points on the same compass", very Silva-esque entrance, how to turn little screen time into overwhelming screen presence
    --> 5/5 - Lotte Lenya: Now that was a female villain with authority....a sexe-less blunt psychotic
    --> 4/5 - Robert Shaw: Actually for me the first ever henchman
    --> 5/5 - Gert Frobe: How charismatic an actor can be without talking one word English. Yes, the dubbing helped, but so did his smirks, his looks. Completely believable
    --> 3/5 - Adolfo Celi: Good executive vice-president of SPECTRE
    --> 5/5 - Anthony Dawson/Eric Pohlmann: What a combination, the mystery of the man, combined with that voice....
    --> 3/5 - Donald Pleasance: Did not really do it for me
    --> 4/5 - Telly Savalas: Good Blofeld......"you perverse Brittish tourists"
    --> 1/5 - Charles Gray: If Silva is accused of having bisexual tendencies, then this Blofeld is 200% gay
    --> 3/5 - Yaphet Kotto: Not convincing enough for me, though the interrogation scene with Moore was very good
    --> 3/5 - Steven Berkoff: Enjoyable, crazy general....
    --> 5/5 - Klaus-Maria Brandauer: How can so many fans forget this Austrian character actor, could be the full psychotic brother of Christopher Walken
    --> 5/5 - Barbara Carrera: Forgotten actress, who got a Golden Globe nomination for her portrayal of Fatima Blush
    --> 1/5 - Robert Carlyle: IMO a severe case of overacting, just like Toby Stephens

    Small conclusion: I think the quality of the Bond villains has been uplifted substantially during Craig's reign as 007.
  • RC7RC7
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    I disagree. I am against every form of discrimination. Even positive discrimination. I'm not accusing you of this @RC7, but for me personally the variety argument does not hold. For me, what's foremost important, are acting skills combined with how the character fits in the plot.

    Well, that goes without saying, doesn't it? I'm suggesting that when you look at the spectrum of villains it would be nice to have a non-white and/or female lead villain. How and if they reach such a conclusion is up to them. There are plenty of capable actors about and not all of them are Oscar nominated.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    That would make sense. My hypothesis: Buonaparte Ignace Gallia, or someone based on the character. And before I get misinterpreted: NOT Kananga, NOT for a remake of LALD. In any case, Elba would make a great Gallia and a far more believable Flemingesque villain (IMO) than Ejiofor.

    I highly doubt that they'll reintroduce a character that has only appeared in one movie. But I could be wrong, it may work.




    It would obviously not be the same character. Even the name would be different.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    We are so off topic. NEWS WE NEED NEWS!!!!!
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited October 2014 Posts: 1,756
    BREAKING NEWS: Bond 24 will feature
    no news today
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  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited October 2014 Posts: 1,756
    Since Bond 24 will be predominately shot in Austria, and Waltz is well known for being Austrian... wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at least being considered for the villain.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Maybe ...and ha ha ...made me look :-L
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    Since Bond 24 will be predominately shot in Austria, and Waltz is well known for being Austrian... wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at least being considered for the villain.

    It would surprise me since it would be an incredibly boring choice. Waltz is an amazing actor but is primarily known for playing villains (aside from Django Unchained).
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    I'd love an Austrian actor as the villain, that said. But I'll settle for Idris Elba. I'm far more happy if he is cast than I'd be with Ejiofor. Elba looks far more menacing.
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    Since Bond 24 will be predominately shot in Austria, and Waltz is well known for being Austrian... wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at least being considered for the villain.

    It would surprise me since it would be an incredibly boring choice. Waltz is an amazing actor but is primarily known for playing villains (aside from Django Unchained).

    The focus should not be about the actual casting choice, and if that choice is "boring". The focus should be about which actor really can portray a memorable villain. The focus should be about the acting skills.

    I think Christoph Waltz sound a bit uninspiring, in a similar way to casting Javier Bardem, but this actor can bring tons of charisma, complexity and gravita to a Bond villain role. Perhaps in a same way like Klaus-Maria Brandauer did in NSNA (another wonderful Austrian actor).
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    Problem with casting German speakers as villains is that it is a bit cliche. But then sometimes typecasting is the way to go.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Problem with casting German speakers as villains is that it is a bit cliche. But then sometimes typecasting is the way to go.

    Casting a villain, the very word "villain", in the first place is a prime example of typecasting.......if you want it or not.

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