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  • edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    You are embarassing yourself, Graves. Let it go. You want Bond 24 to be shot in digital but it is a fact that it will be shot on film. End of the story.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Digital is good, and is coming to be almost better than film, even resolution wise, but nothing can beat the look of film. Glad it's returning, I never really liked the digital look of Skyfall, it always (to me anyways) looked like it was shot on a DSLR. Minus the sequences in Scotland.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    According to IMDB (take with a grain of salt) Bond 24 will feature (not as the title) a song by Armin Van Buuren, Dutch music producer and DJ.
  • You are embarassing yourself, Graves. Let it go. You want Bond 24 to be shot in digital but it is a fact that it will be shot on film. End of the story.

    My god. I....can't believe it. I'm not here to embarass myself :-S. All I said is that I really loved the quality from digital film. And before a nice conversation can be started about this, someone cuts me off bluntly. On top of that, with the information we have, there IS nothing to confirm just yet. And with the links provided by you to ONLY a forum (not even a blog), in which an ex-cinematographer says this stuff (I have great admiration for Deakins), I can only say that you are equally embarassing yourself (If I didn't make that mistake regarding "Interstellar" being shot digitally, it would have only be you embarassing yourself).

    Moreover, I NEVER SAID that I want Bond 24 to be shot digitally. I said, and I quote myself "I hope Hoyte will also use digital camera's." By the way, isn't what "hoping" is what we all do here?? Isn't that the reason this topic exists when there's no news?? So please by a bit more subtle...and don't immediately "ram me down".
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Digital is good, and is coming to be almost better than film, even resolution wise, but nothing can beat the look of film. Glad it's returning, I never really liked the digital look of Skyfall, it always (to me anyways) looked like it was shot on a DSLR. Minus the sequences in Scotland.

    I was merely talking about the BluRay-disc's. Suddenly QOS and CR look quite a bit older, resolution-wise. That's what I was talking about. The resolution difference is so remarkable....when comparing Digital with Film. Also watch "Her". Or have a look at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_shot_on_digital_video_prior_to_2015

    Again, I'm not pushing myself here. I'm also satisfied if Bond 24 will be shot on film. No worries man.
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    So... Any news?
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited November 2014 Posts: 1,756
    I was merely talking about the BluRay-disc's. Suddenly QOS and CR look quite a bit older, resolution-wise. That's what I was talking about. The resolution difference is so remarkable....when comparing Digital with Film. Also watch "Her". Or have a look at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_shot_on_digital_video_prior_to_2015

    Again, I'm not pushing myself here. I'm also satisfied if Bond 24 will be shot on film. No worries man.

    I think the resolution still holds up well, film has a resolution that's approximately about 6-8k.

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    I respectfully disagree there is a huge difference. But recently there has started to be bigger differences, yes.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Ludovico wrote: »
    So... Any news?

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    I just called "Grand Hotel Lienz" :-P. But they said they will be closed entirely from October 26th till November 9th. Kinda weird no? 2 weeks closed? I thought hotels will be open 365 days a year. Especially a 5-star luxury hotel...

    I will call them again tomorrow, because the reception there is open from 8:00 AM till 4:00 PM. I am going to ask them this:
    Gustav Graves: We’ve been told that the upcoming 24th James Bond film will not be shot in part at your Grandhotel Lienz. While we think it would make a perfect location for a Bond film. Can you confirm it won’t be filmed at your hotel?

    By asking it this way, I hope to receive a simple reply like "Yes, we can confirm this. If not and if they say "I am sorry, we can not answer that", then I will jump in and ask "Okay, so when will the production team film then? Does this have anything to do with the two-week closure till November 9th?"
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    By the way, isn't what "hoping" is what we all do here?? Isn't that the reason this topic exists when there's no news?? So please by a bit more subtle...and don't immediately "ram me down".

    Hoping at this point that the will use digital cameras for Bond 24 is like hoping that an actor other than Daniel Craig will play James Bond in the movie. Once we have actual confirmation, wishes are kind of useless.
  • I was merely talking about the BluRay-disc's. Suddenly QOS and CR look quite a bit older, resolution-wise. That's what I was talking about. The resolution difference is so remarkable....when comparing Digital with Film. Also watch "Her". Or have a look at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_shot_on_digital_video_prior_to_2015

    Again, I'm not pushing myself here. I'm also satisfied if Bond 24 will be shot on film. No worries man.

    I think the resolution still holds up well, film has a resolution that's approximately about 6-8k.

    1_5_large.jpg

    I respectfully disagree there is a huge difference. But recently there has started to be bigger differences, yes.
    http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/skyfall-blu-ray-review/ - Video Quality on this release is in full 1080p using the AVC MPEG-4 codec on a BD-50 (50 gigabyte dual-layered Blu-ray Disc) in the 2.40:1 aspect ratio. According to the technical specifications listing on IMDb this was shot digitally in both 2.8K and 5K resolutions using the Arri Alexa M, Arri Alexa Plus, Arri Alexa Studio and Red Epic cameras. This blend of two digital sources comes with a very solid black level as you’ll see from the very opening of the film as “Bond” comes out of the shadows (as seen HERE in a screenshot). The color palette really has been subdued here to fit the visual style but does have some occasional vibrance to it throughout the film be it from the wardrobe or the locations of both London and Turkey as well what’s supposed to be Shanghai. The fleshtones are accurate here throughout. There’s a very sophisticated and detailed visual style here
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    that is bold and that’s because cinematographer Roger Deakins served as the DP (Director of Photography) on this film. His shots look absolutely gorgeous throughout the entire film (with the exception of the title sequence which had a different crew). Speaking of that opening title sequence, it was directed by Daniel Kleinman and it looks absolutely marvelous here in Hi-Def. There’s a look of exceptional detail to be found here much thanks to this digital cameras and their source material. Be it 2.8K or 5K it translates over to 1080p perfectly. That said, this earns a perfect “5 Star Rating” for overall video quality. It looks excellent.
  • By the way, isn't what "hoping" is what we all do here?? Isn't that the reason this topic exists when there's no news?? So please by a bit more subtle...and don't immediately "ram me down".

    Hoping at this point that the will use digital cameras for Bond 24 is like hoping that an actor other than Daniel Craig will play James Bond in the movie. Once we have actual confirmation, wishes are kind of useless.

    You're talking rubbish here. Especially since you provide me, us, with complete bullocks-sources. Unless you have found better proof than just a forumpost from someone we don't even know if it's Deakins, hoping is a lovely practice. And even if it's shot on film, then I like the subject.
  • I was merely talking about the BluRay-disc's. Suddenly QOS and CR look quite a bit older, resolution-wise. That's what I was talking about. The resolution difference is so remarkable....when comparing Digital with Film. Also watch "Her". Or have a look at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_shot_on_digital_video_prior_to_2015

    Again, I'm not pushing myself here. I'm also satisfied if Bond 24 will be shot on film. No worries man.

    I think the resolution still holds up well, film has a resolution that's approximately about 6-8k.

    1_5_large.jpg

    I respectfully disagree there is a huge difference. But recently there has started to be bigger differences, yes.

    Wow,did he look young back then. Funny thing is me (and many,many others) considered him to be quite old looking for a rookie Double Oh then.
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    You're talking rubbish here. Especially since you provide me, us, with complete bullocks-sources. Unless you have found better proof than just a forumpost from someone we don't even know if it's Deakins, hoping is a lovely practice.

    Several people have confimed that Bond 24 will be shot on film. I won't bother finding you the links as this is old news and was discussed here weeks if not months ago. If you think I'm a liar or not trustworthy then I guess we have nothing to talk about.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Nobody is calling anybody a liar; telling someone they are talking rubbish does not help, either. Can we tone this all down a notch, gents? I know we get frustrated - including with each other. But we can discuss this better, can't we? Maybe change the immediate topic a bit at this point.
  • You're talking rubbish here. Especially since you provide me, us, with complete bullocks-sources. Unless you have found better proof than just a forumpost from someone we don't even know if it's Deakins, hoping is a lovely practice.

    Several people have confimed that Bond 24 will be shot on film. I won't bother finding you the links as this is old news and was discussed here weeks if not months ago. If you think I'm a liar or not trustworthy then I guess we have nothing to talk about.

    I don't think you are a liar @PanchitoPistoles. Why do you say that :-(?? I do think that such a generic link does not confirm anything at this stage. But I think it's better if I post less in here. The irritation, and subsequent snowball-effect, that many of my posts create, says it all....
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Stop it both of you stop it! You're like...boys with toys! >:P
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 2,015
    Clash of the know-it-all :)

    Is it possible someone knows for sure the film lab have been booked months in advance for Bond 24 ? Oh yes. They have less and less business, they can't be reactive, you definitely have to book them well in advance : they have to create the daily rushes as soon as the shooting begin - even though on set they use a digital combo - so it's really a matter of being ready at day 1.

    Can they switch to digital between the early bookings and the actual production ? Oh yes, and I'm not even sure it will cost any money. It will be a bad blow for the film lab though. But the movie industry is a vampire business, a business where a VFX company can receive an Oscar and then the acceptance speech is about being close to bankruptcy.

    And who knows for sure ? Probably no one here ;) Not me, anyway. Bond 24 on film is likely with the available info, but "sure", like in "I'd bet my right hand on it ?" well,... Remember all that was written about Lea Seydoux, a lot of people were sure it was "sure" the rumor was unfounded. But here, for various reasons, it would be an even more spectacular change from the hearsay if they shot on digital, IMO, actually.

    About the film vs digital debate, books are still being written about it and still will be for a long time. It's complex and not clear-cut. And well, you have little things like the fact that digital allows to film in low light, and well, then it turns in boys with toys sometimes "Let's do a scene only lit with candles !" "Why ?" "Because we can !" "But it's a blockbuster !?" :)

    PS : In a "snowy movie", you have a lot of light :)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,512
    According to IMDB (take with a grain of salt) Bond 24 will feature (not as the title) a song by Armin Van Buuren, Dutch music producer and DJ.

    Funny and that on the day Nolan's new Batman Superman movie ask Tom Holkenborg (I only know his remake of that Elvis song.).

    http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/34551/junkie-xl-helps-batman-v-superman-score

    There is some very intresting there about Hans zimmer, no longer whant to make Batman style music, i heard before he said something simalar about POTC.
    One of the big hesitations that "Man of Steel" composer Hans Zimmer had regarding returning for the upcoming sequel "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" is that he's already been down this road before. Specifically he didn't want to create new Batman music after all his work on the scores for Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 267
    Dear EON, can we have some actual news please because otherwise people on this site are gonna continue to clash?
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    M_Balje wrote: »
    According to IMDB (take with a grain of salt) Bond 24 will feature (not as the title) a song by Armin Van Buuren, Dutch music producer and DJ.

    Funny and that on the day Nolan's new Batman Superman movie ask Tom Holkenborg (I only know his remake of that Elvis song.).

    http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/34551/junkie-xl-helps-batman-v-superman-score

    There is some very intresting there about Hans zimmer, no longer whant to make Batman style music, i heard before he said something simalar about POTC.
    One of the big hesitations that "Man of Steel" composer Hans Zimmer had regarding returning for the upcoming sequel "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" is that he's already been down this road before. Specifically he didn't want to create new Batman music after all his work on the scores for Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy

    I'm now actually listening to Junkie XL/Tom Holkenborg's scores for "Divergent" and "300: Rise Of An Empire". That's pretty damn emotional stuff he composes there. He barely uses orchestras no? Although I hear plenty of strings. It's actually really good. Good export product from my country ;-).
  • Getafix wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I wonder if Butterworth's comment could possibly mean that, in his view, Bond isn't usually seen sitting down and talking with other men, just running around shooting them all the time (which isn't true) and that there should in fact be more scenes of Bond talking with other men, so they should "put a line through" the notion that Bond doesn't talk with other men. Maybe? Again, that view misunderstands the series and overlooks many of the fantastic scenes we've had of Bond speaking with Kerim, Draco, Columbo, Zukovsky, Mathis, Leiter, etc. (not to mention classic conversations with villains), but that would at least provide a more optimistic outlook on B24's screenplay.

    I said exactly that two or so pages ago. It seems possible. People just rather worry then give the bright side a chance.

    This would be a very strange reading of what he said. It implies he is putting a line through the bits where Bond isn't chatting to other men, which might be even more worrying.

    I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from my post, but like I said, he would be eliminating the idea that Bond is not supposed to talk with other men. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Anyways, Butterworth's strangely worded quote appears to have people divided on even what it means, so I wouldn't put much stock into what it spells for B24.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    So... Any news?

    129.305.185
    I just called "Grand Hotel Lienz" :-P. But they said they will be closed entirely from October 26th till November 9th. Kinda weird no? 2 weeks closed? I thought hotels will be open 365 days a year. Especially a 5-star luxury hotel...

    I will call them again tomorrow, because the reception there is open from 8:00 AM till 4:00 PM. I am going to ask them this:
    Gustav Graves: We’ve been told that the upcoming 24th James Bond film will not be shot in part at your Grandhotel Lienz. While we think it would make a perfect location for a Bond film. Can you confirm it won’t be filmed at your hotel?

    By asking it this way, I hope to receive a simple reply like "Yes, we can confirm this. If not and if they say "I am sorry, we can not answer that", then I will jump in and ask "Okay, so when will the production team film then? Does this have anything to do with the two-week closure till November 9th?"
    Interesting that they're closed for a whole two weeks. Do you think this has anything to do with Bond 24 though?

  • edited November 2014 Posts: 2,598
    Casino Royale is a superior film to Skyfall in many ways. They did it differently. One example is that the humour was superior to that of Skyfall. More natural than in SF which much better suited Craig's portrayal of the character. I enjoy SF, but the movie is largely about ticking all the boxes again, unlike CR. Sounds like Bond 24 will be much in the same vein as SF unfortunately.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited November 2014 Posts: 3,157
    double post, please delete
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited November 2014 Posts: 3,157
    The screenplay of Inception is objectively way better than most Bond screenplays.

    Maybe, but I'd rather watch any Bond movie (including the unofficial ones), which I have seen thousands of times, than Inception, which I have seen just once.
    Nobody is calling anybody a liar; telling someone they are talking rubbish does not help, either. Can we tone this all down a notch, gents? I know we get frustrated - including with each other. But we can discuss this better, can't we? Maybe change the immediate topic a bit at this point.
    If only you put a "it" somewhere between "does" and "better"
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Why an "it"? Are you Buttersworth? :D ...I think ok idk ...but makes good syrup.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Nobody is calling anybody a liar; telling someone they are talking rubbish does not help, either. Can we tone this it all down a notch, gents? I know we get frustrated - including with each other. But we can discuss this better, can't we? Maybe change the immediate topic a bit at this point.
    If only you put a "it" somewhere between "does" and "better"
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    That'll do. :)

  • Posts: 1,490
    Matt_Helm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Matt_Helm wrote: »

    If you take into account all the possibilities at dream scenario gives you it is actually quite easy to write a surprising/suspenseful script around it.

    You think it's "quite easy" to write a screenplay like Inception? Seriously? Give it a go.

    I think it's a whole lot easier than to write something restrained by the laws of reality and logic. Of course I do!

    Strict laws and story rules must be created by the story-teller when dealing with any ideas or concepts outside so-called reality (such as fantasy, otherworldly, sci-fi concepts, magical, spiritual, dream states, or altered states etc.), so to believe Inception does not have its own rules and story logic to support and contain its central concept and themes is not true - and creating such rules takes time, deep thought, and is far harder than telling a story set within so-called everyday life/reality which most of us experience in a very similar way and therefore such laws of logic and reality (as you call them) do not require the viewer to believe in something outside their normal experience. But many stories do need to convince the audience or reader to suspend disbelief in some fashion, as Inception does on a grand scale. Inception explores dream-state in a very unique way. That took a lot of thinking about. Any screenwriter or filmmaker, or anyone else who has played around with trying to turn dream logic (or such like) into a coherent and dramatic narrative, understands that.

    As I say, if you don't believe me, give it a try yourself and see how far you get. Every one of us is a storyteller to some degree, so give it a go.

    Anyway, back to Bond 24.

  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    May I say (and I know I speak for a lot of us) it is a pleasure to have you with us @ColonelSun.
  • Posts: 1,490
    Sandy wrote: »
    May I say (and I know I speak for a lot of us) it is a pleasure to have you with us @ColonelSun.

    Hey, that is very kind of you.

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