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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I think an interesting coincidence. :)
    A casino is such a part of the image we have of Bond, yet perhaps they feel one should not be in every single film.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Let's see we had casinos in DN TB OHMSS DAF TMWGG TSWLM OP LTK GE TWINE CR and SF. Right? That's less than half btw.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    It's where the man was first introduced to us so it is as iconic as the gun barrel. Should not be overused though IMO.
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    Could Blofeld be introduced initially as an ally/operative who then turns to the dark side as it were. That would certainly shake things up a bit. And I don't care where the gun barrel goes!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Btw my count was not any sort of statement. Was just curious. Casinos gambling part of Bond's world and I love it.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,512
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Well after the announcement of Christophe Waltz earlier this week, i am hopeful of waking up to some more official news at breakfast tomorrow morning! :-c ;) :D

    That Mk12 wil return :P
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Could Blofeld be introduced initially as an ally/operative who then turns to the dark side as it were. That would certainly shake things up a bit. And I don't care where the gun barrel goes!

    Except we've seen that or similar in GE and CR. And DAD.

    And by now I think Craig has earned a proper gun barrel at the start.
  • Posts: 15,106
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Could Blofeld be introduced initially as an ally/operative who then turns to the dark side as it were. That would certainly shake things up a bit. And I don't care where the gun barrel goes!

    Except we've seen that or similar in GE and CR. And DAD.

    And by now I think Craig has earned a proper gun barrel at the start.

    I was thinking more about FYEO, and so does LeChiffre, I think.

    If Blofeld is named early on, then it will not be the case, as this would spill the beans. Every single fan would know right away that the Waltz character is a traitor and before they shoot one scene, so would every media on the planet. So if Christoph Waltz is Blofeld and does show up first as an ally, my bet is that he will have a pseudonym.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Maybe ...and oh yeah forgot FYEO. Fleming wrote a pretty interesting history of Blofeld I wish they would explore ..like how came to power and started SPECTRE. SPECTRE could to bereintroduced and rebooted in a opretty interesting way too. At least I think so.
  • RC7RC7
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    And I don't care where the gun barrel goes!

    You should do.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    RC7 wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    And I don't care where the gun barrel goes!

    You should do.
    Better make that two.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    RC7 wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    And I don't care where the gun barrel goes!

    You should do.
    Better make that two.
    And three.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Should do? Meaning should though? If so make mine vote four.
  • Can I say something before I go to bed and stop posting in here like a complete mental psycho :-P? Because since Friday I'm doing that.

    Anyway, I wanted to say.........I'm absolutely THRILLED that Christoph Waltz is onboard of "Bond 24" :-D. You should've seen the look on my face when I read the news. A complete joyous little kid.....200% geek and nerd :-P.

    Goodnight :-) (no....not calling for her!)
  • Posts: 15,106
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Maybe ...and oh yeah forgot FYEO. Fleming wrote a pretty interesting history of Blofeld I wish they would explore ..like how came to power and started SPECTRE. SPECTRE could to bereintroduced and rebooted in a opretty interesting way too. At least I think so.

    I would find it very interesting if they used the novel for this hypothetical new Blofeld. Although part of me still think they may want to introduce Blofeld for Craig's successor. That said, if they have the right for the character, they may be considering the time is now.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    I would prefer if the name Blofeld is not used or brought back. Best to let sleeping dogs lie.

    I'd prefer Waltz as the head of Quantum, to be revealed as a surprise at the end of B24. A nice tie-in with CR/QoS and a set up for B25.
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    Instead of Blofeld how about they call him Feldblo
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    edited November 2014 Posts: 871
    I'm not dead set against bringing Blofeld back, but I fail to see the point in doing that. If he returns as his old self (bald guy, has a cat, wears Mao suit, leads Spectre/Quantum, blackmails governments, shares similar background as the book or film character), then that's ridiculous. They might as well do a remake, then. On the other hand, if he comes back as a reinvented, completely different character, why name him Blofeld? Only to satisfy hard-core fans. "It's Bond vs. Blofeld again!"

    Personally, I don't see him as the iconic villain. Not more iconic than Dr. No, Goldfinger, Largo. He did kill Bond's wife, but that was in a different timeline.

    I don't see the proper way to bring him back. However, if they manage to do it, then I'm fine with it. I just think that's a very difficult thing to do.
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    My idea: if the character played by Waltz has the word blue in his name, in any language, say Signor Azzurro, or Himmel (I don't speak German but that would be the least obvious way), then he is Blofeld. If he remains unnamed, or has a nickname or a nom de guerre for the whole movie, then he is most likely Blofeld.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Different opinions on Quantum vs SPECTRE... I prefer the latter but would be nice to have ex Quantum agents as part of a new SPECTRE ....as least for some continuity. Blofeld could make a lot off selling terrorist and government secrets then side with the higher payingtterrorists. Yes SPECTRE terrorism for hire...rotating numbers like Fleming did to through off the SIS and CIA ...seems to me potentially more scarey.now than in the 50's and 60's. Just babbling but anyway :P
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    I'm not dead set against bringing Blofeld back, but I fail to see the point in doing that. If he returns as his old self (bald guy, has a cat, wears Mao suit, leads Spectre/Quantum, blackmails governments, shares similar background as the book or film character), then that's ridiculous. They might as well do a remake, then. On the other hand, if he comes back as a reinvented, completely different character, why name him Blofeld? Only to satisfy hard-core fans. "It's Bond vs. Blofeld again!"

    Personally, I don't see him as the iconic villain. Not more iconic than Dr. No, Goldfinger, Largo. He did kill Bond's wife, but that was in a different timeline.

    I don't see the proper way to bring him back. However, if they manage to do it, then I'm fine with it. I just think that's a very difficult thing to do.

    You are confusing two things here: Blofeld in the movies and in the books is a very different character, both in appearance and... character. If they make a Blofeld faithful to the novels, then he is virtually unrecognizable from the spoofed character that gave us Dr. Evil.

    Regarding the murder of Tracy, as I said in another thread, Blofeld only commits it at the end of the second novel featuring him, when his antagonism with Bond is by then already established.

    As for his name, it is known by the fans and people who actually pay attention to the movies. The general public remembers the Donald Pleasence version, not the name Blofeld.
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    M_Balje wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Well after the announcement of Christophe Waltz earlier this week, i am hopeful of waking up to some more official news at breakfast tomorrow morning! :-c ;) :D

    That Mk12 wil return :P
    That would be awesome! Visually, QOS was awesome, including MK12's work :-) Kleinman is overrated, IMO
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited November 2014 Posts: 1,756
    As for the Blofeld discussion,

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Only my opinion but I hated MK12's titles, I'm a big fan of
    Daniel kleinman's work, thought SF was amazing.
  • As for the Blofeld discussion,

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    @DominicGreene Calm now, calmmm now :-). Once calm we can release you back into society. Blofeld would agree with me :-P
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    As for the Blofeld discussion,

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    @DominicGreene Calm now, calmmm now :-). Once calm we can release you back into society. Blofeld would agree with me :-P
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  • Ludovico wrote: »
    I'm not dead set against bringing Blofeld back, but I fail to see the point in doing that. If he returns as his old self (bald guy, has a cat, wears Mao suit, leads Spectre/Quantum, blackmails governments, shares similar background as the book or film character), then that's ridiculous. They might as well do a remake, then. On the other hand, if he comes back as a reinvented, completely different character, why name him Blofeld? Only to satisfy hard-core fans. "It's Bond vs. Blofeld again!"

    Personally, I don't see him as the iconic villain. Not more iconic than Dr. No, Goldfinger, Largo. He did kill Bond's wife, but that was in a different timeline.

    I don't see the proper way to bring him back. However, if they manage to do it, then I'm fine with it. I just think that's a very difficult thing to do.

    You are confusing two things here: Blofeld in the movies and in the books is a very different character, both in appearance and... character. If they make a Blofeld faithful to the novels, then he is virtually unrecognizable from the spoofed character that gave us Dr. Evil.

    Regarding the murder of Tracy, as I said in another thread, Blofeld only commits it at the end of the second novel featuring him, when his antagonism with Bond is by then already established.

    As for his name, it is known by the fans and people who actually pay attention to the movies. The general public remembers the Donald Pleasence version, not the name Blofeld.


    I really feel now is the right time to reintroduce Blofeld.

    Firstly, the character is hugely iconic and despite this status I feel we have yet to see the definitive interpretation of the character. Pleasence's portrayal has become besmirched by numerous parodies and while Salvalas was good in the part the main focus of OHMSS was Bond and Tracy's relationship (and the less said about Gray the better). I feel Blofeld hasn't been realised in his full cinematic glory yet and as a result hasn't got his dues. I mean the last time we saw him he was being dropped down a bloody chimney. The character deserves better.

    This leads into my second point; Nolan did something brilliant with 'The Dark Knight' and the character of The Joker. He took a figure that existed in the public consciousness and recontextualized him in a modern context while remaining true to his origins. I feel the same could be done with Blofeld; what would be the character's philosophy and motive these days? Would they keep the bald head and ditch the persian cat? Etc.

    I've been hoping since CR now that Blofeld return and all the stars do seem to be alining that he will indeed come back and I'm very excited. To be quite honest, the thought of Chiwetel Ejiofer playing the character is a little more enticing than Waltz who feels a little obvious (and his involvement also smacks a bit like Brosnan-era casting) but I'm really very intrigued.

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  • edited November 2014 Posts: 908

    I'm pretty certain about that . And I tell you this. I have become a great admirer of Michael and Barbara.
    .


    You,really? I mean really??
    One could have knocked me over with a feather when I read this!
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'm not dead set against bringing Blofeld back, but I fail to see the point in doing that. If he returns as his old self (bald guy, has a cat, wears Mao suit, leads Spectre/Quantum, blackmails governments, shares similar background as the book or film character), then that's ridiculous. They might as well do a remake, then. On the other hand, if he comes back as a reinvented, completely different character, why name him Blofeld? Only to satisfy hard-core fans. "It's Bond vs. Blofeld again!"

    Personally, I don't see him as the iconic villain. Not more iconic than Dr. No, Goldfinger, Largo. He did kill Bond's wife, but that was in a different timeline.

    I don't see the proper way to bring him back. However, if they manage to do it, then I'm fine with it. I just think that's a very difficult thing to do.

    You are confusing two things here: Blofeld in the movies and in the books is a very different character, both in appearance and... character. If they make a Blofeld faithful to the novels, then he is virtually unrecognizable from the spoofed character that gave us Dr. Evil.

    Regarding the murder of Tracy, as I said in another thread, Blofeld only commits it at the end of the second novel featuring him, when his antagonism with Bond is by then already established.

    As for his name, it is known by the fans and people who actually pay attention to the movies. The general public remembers the Donald Pleasence version, not the name Blofeld.


    I really feel now is the right time to reintroduce Blofeld.

    Firstly, the character is hugely iconic and despite this status I feel we have yet to see the definitive interpretation of the character. Pleasence's portrayal has become besmirched by numerous parodies and while Salvalas was good in the part the main focus of OHMSS was Bond and Tracy's relationship (and the less said about Gray the better). I feel Blofeld hasn't been realised in his full cinematic glory yet and as a result hasn't got his dues. I mean the last time we saw him he was being dropped down a bloody chimney. The character deserves better.

    This leads into my second point; Nolan did something brilliant with 'The Dark Knight' and the character of The Joker. He took a figure that existed in the public consciousness and recontextualized him in a modern context while remaining true to his origins. I feel the same could be done with Blofeld; what would be the character's philosophy and motive these days? Would they keep the bald head and ditch the persian cat? Etc.

    I've been hoping since CR now that Blofeld return and all the stars do seem to be alining that he will indeed come back and I'm very excited. To be quite honest, the thought of Chiwetel Ejiofer playing the character is a little more enticing than Waltz who feels a little obvious (and his involvement also smacks a bit like Brosnan-era casting) but I'm really very intrigued.

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    In all honesty @Pierce2Daniel, I do not think Waltz is going to play Blofeld. We already know his role will be rather large and will be complex of nature. It can be an ally, a villain or a bit of both. I personally think Waltz will play a character not that much different from Silva. An ex-ally who turned into a villain. But this time around I actually think we will see the process on screen, of the ally turning into a villain.

    Waltz could play a covert information source for MI6. A source that leaks important cables to MI6, but that slowly, during the movie, sells this information to a "new brotherhood" of somekind. A bit like Dryden did in "Casino Royale". Then at the end of Bond 24 Waltz has turned into a full operative of this new "brotherhood", being then revealed as S.P.E.C.T.R.E. He then is the new "Nr.2". And is even more complex than that old Nr.2, Emilio Largo. A bit of a Kronsteen/Largo-combo.

    Furthermore, at the end of the movie, we will have our first cameo of the Nr.1 operative. A man, who could very well be Blofeld. I think that's how Waltz role will turn out to be. Not the actual Blofeld, but at least an ally that during the movie will evolve into the villain, and a very important operative of S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

    And I personally hope Blofeld will be introduced carefully. A cameo for Bond 24 with the option for Blofeld being more of the lead villain in Bond 25 is IMO way more interesting and exciting. Otherwise, if Waltz is Blofeld, you need to give his name away pretty early in the film. And Blofeld deserves a more nuanced, less "straight in your face" introduction. This would also mean that there's an actor casted for this "Blofeld" role which will stay top secret until Bond 24 premieres. Having said all this, I do think S.P.E.C.T.R.E (or QUANTUM) will have a more dominant role in Bond 24.

    But I agree with you, we experience a truly interesting Bond era now. Everything has been rebooted since 2006. And after Bond, M, Moneypenny, Q (and knowing exactly how he got his 00-licence, how he won his DB5, where he was born and who his parents were), I think it's now time to reboot Blofeld and re-introduce S.P.E.C.T.R.E. (via QUANTUM). I love the Craig era. Also interesting to see that the name "Blofeld" is being picked up by movie bloggers so easily! Apparently, and in part to Austin Powers, people haven't forgotten Blofeld after all these years.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    Ludovico wrote: »
    You are confusing two things here: Blofeld in the movies and in the books is a very different character, both in appearance and... character. If they make a Blofeld faithful to the novels, then he is virtually unrecognizable from the spoofed character that gave us Dr. Evil.

    I know he is a different character, but that's not the point. He is the leader of a large international crime organisation both in novels and films. Recycling that is unoriginal and lazy, regardless of his physical appearance and character traits. If they introduce a different, smaller scale villain, naming him Blofeld is perhaps even more lame. It's much better to take some of Blofeld's traits and actions from the novels and use them in creating a new character.

    I know that bringing Blofeld back is a fixation for some, and I respect that, I just don't find it interesting. I feel the same about all the past villains.

    I hope they'll prove me wrong, though, if they do decide to bring him back.

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