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  • edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    Murdock wrote: »
    Quantum appearing in Bond 24 would instantly make it the worst James Bond movie of ALL TIME (including Casino Royale from 1967 and Never Say Never Agian). This is a fact. No, I am not being hyperbolic.

    Why?

    Because it would be like Jar Jar Binks making an appearance in Star Wars Episode VII. The whole Quantum storyline was a complete failure, it wouldn't make any sense to see them return. Quantum returning AND then turning into SPECTRE is an even more terrible idea and an idea only a James Bond fan could come up with. The large majority of the people who will watch Bond 24 in the cinemas around the world has NO IDEA what SPECTRE is. Which means that for them revealing that Quantum is actually SPECTRE would be like revealing that Quntum is ABCDEFG or HIJKLMN or any random 7 letters.

    Having said all of this, I am not worried. I am convinced that a genius like Sam Mendes would never approve a terrible idea like the return of Quantum, let alone Quantum turning into SPECTRE.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    regarding Quantum vs Spectre Spectre has had 6 official Bond films 7 if you count For Your Eyes Only 8 If we include never say never again.

    for spectre fans Imagine if instead of that number we had 2. Yup Imagine if after the sucess of Goldfinger the producers went a different route. and never did Thunderball You only live twice etc.

    Wouldn't you guys get annoyed. Who was that number one in From Russia With love? Why isn't Bond going after him?

    that is kind of our perspective you had your 8 let us have our at least 4.

    Exactly.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Saw a post on commanderbond:

    I'm on to something.
    A location scout (who used to work on Skyfall) lists a location library on his website. The library is divided into folders of different objects - and projects. One password protected folder is called LDLF. Asking him what this means, he said those locations are ideas for an upcoming film. Fortunately the folder wasn't protected until I contacted him, so I got a look at those ideas and know the scouting was done in the beginning of this year (one subfolder had a date).
    Because everything could fit (and he doesn't have another folder entitled B24 or something like this) my guess is LDLF is very much the acronym of the next Bond film.

    Any ideas what it could stand for?

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Live Die Live Forever
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Quantum appearing in Bond 24 would instantly make it the worst James Bond movie of ALL TIME (including Casino Royale from 1967 and Never Say Never Agian). This is a fact. No, I am not being hyperbolic.

    Why?

    Because it would be like Jar Jar Binks making an appearance in Star Wars Episode VII. The whole Quantum storyline was a complete failure, it wouldn't make any sense to see them return. Quantum returning AND then turning into SPECTRE is an even more terrible idea and an idea only a James Bond fan could come up with. The large majority of the people who will watch Bond 24 in the cinemas around the world has NO IDEA what SPECTRE is. Which means that for them revealing that Quantum is actually SPECTRE would be like revealing that Quntum is ABCDEFG or HIJKLMN or any random 7 letters.

    Having said all of this, I am not worried. I am convinced that a genius like Sam Mendes would never approve a terrible idea like the return of Quantum, let alone Quantum turning into SPECTRE.

    So you didn't like QOS. Okay. Fair enough.
  • Matt_Helm wrote: »
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    There doesn't seem to be much (if anything) you have understood about QoS (or at least that part of it). Go and watch again (better twice!).

    I understand it perfectly.

    No you don't and the self confidence with which you claim otherwise is very telling.
    Murdock already explained to you the advantages of the opera meeting. Furthermore bond stirred things up because one of quantums bodyguards was going after him (btw, ever thought about how he should have sorted out and followed all the different persons?). Also White is, judging from all the messenger and broker services he had to provide in CR, very obviously a higher but not a highest ranking member of Quantum.
  • DrGorner wrote: »
    Keep Quantum for the Craig films, I think there's plenty of
    Mileage to be had from them.

    That's just how it is!!!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    Agreed. White is not the top dog. He took out LeChiffre. I'm assuming trusted lieutenant.

    Quantum has a lot of potential. It's important not to let one's judgement of the Quantum concept be clouded by what one may think of QoS as a whole (including oily Mr. Greene, who was a bit disappointing, or that toupe'd goof who was his bodyguard/friend).

    Hopefully EON has the courage to revisit the idea, if not in B24, then in B25
  • Posts: 15,106
    The guy with the same name as the leader of a large crime organisation for the fifth or sixth time. To me, that sounds very, very boring.

    But the name is the LAST thing Joe Public remembers about Blofeld.
  • Quantum appearing in Bond 24 would instantly make it the worst James Bond movie of ALL TIME (including Casino Royale from 1967 and Never Say Never Agian). This is a fact. No, I am not being hyperbolic.

    1) after SF this would be a terrible hard feat to achieve and
    2) ???????
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    The guy with the same name as the leader of a large crime organisation for the fifth or sixth time. To me, that sounds very, very boring.

    But the name is the LAST thing Joe Public remembers about Blofeld.

    How do you know? Do you speak for the public? Your a Bond fan like the rest of us. You can't speak for an entire demographic of people. Just because some in your area don't know anything about Blofeld doesn't mean the rest of the general audience doesn't.
  • Posts: 4,619
    Murdock wrote: »
    So you didn't like QOS. Okay. Fair enough.

    It's not just me not liking QOS. That film is by far the worst Bond movie with Craig according to most critics and in the general moviegoing audience's opinion. By the way, the fact that the return of Quantum would be a terrible idea has very little to do with the quality of QOS itself.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Can I say something before I go to bed and stop posting in here like a complete mental psycho :-P? Because since Friday I'm doing that.

    Anyway, I wanted to say.........I'm absolutely THRILLED that Christoph Waltz is onboard of "Bond 24" :-D. You should've seen the look on my face when I read the news. A complete joyous little kid.....200% geek and nerd :-P.

    Goodnight :-) (no....not calling for her!)

    Same over here, Mijnher Graves, same over here in good old Germany. :) B-)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    So you didn't like QOS. Okay. Fair enough.

    It's not just me not liking QOS. That film is by far the worst Bond movie with Craig according to most critics and in the general moviegoing audience's opinion. By the way, the fact that the return of Quantum would be a terrible idea has very little to do with the quality of QOS itself.

    The film wasn't that bad. You act like it flopped from the get go when it was rather successful. Not as successful as CR but still made good money. Bringing back Quantum wouldn't be the worst they could do. Turning Bond into slapstick and sending him to space with Blofeld would probably be that. :))
  • Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    So you didn't like QOS. Okay. Fair enough.

    It's not just me not liking QOS. That film is by far the worst Bond movie with Craig according to most critics and in the general moviegoing audience's opinion. By the way, the fact that the return of Quantum would be a terrible idea has very little to do with the quality of QOS itself.

    The film wasn't that bad. You act like it flopped from the get go when it was rather successful. Not as successful as CR but still made good money. Bringing back Quantum wouldn't be the worst they could do. Turning Bond into slapstick and sending him to space with Blofeld would probably be that. :))

    Here in Germany QoS made second most successful of the year,easily beating the crap out of TDK.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    Actually, Bond going back to space wouldn't necessarily be an awful idea. A PTS or a big action scene inspired by Gravity wouldn't be half bad and it would certainly be a far better idea than the return of Quantum.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @Matt_Helm, That makes me happy to hear. :)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Saw a post on commanderbond:

    I'm on to something.
    A location scout (who used to work on Skyfall) lists a location library on his website. The library is divided into folders of different objects - and projects. One password protected folder is called LDLF. Asking him what this means, he said those locations are ideas for an upcoming film. Fortunately the folder wasn't protected until I contacted him, so I got a look at those ideas and know the scouting was done in the beginning of this year (one subfolder had a date).
    Because everything could fit (and he doesn't have another folder entitled B24 or something like this) my guess is LDLF is very much the acronym of the next Bond film.

    Any ideas what it could stand for?

    That is very intriguing. We know location scouting happened later this years (summer), we got that information from the photos which were posted on instagram and were taken out after I spotted Morocco, Italy and Austria in one of the comments and posted the news here. Of course, that could have been the final scouting and other teams could have worked on it before the DoP, stunt coordinator, 2nd unit director, etc visited the places. LDLF could mean something but it could well be some unrelated film!
  • Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Why not try seeing it from the prospective of fans who don't look through nostalgia goggles?

    Everyone perceives a Bond film in his own way. Let's have respect for that ok :-)? For me....the QUANTUM-meeting was kind of odd. Let's agree to disagree.

    I wasn't being disrespectful. You and the other Blofeld supporters give out reasons why Blofeld should come back ignoring those of us don't want him back and continue to spam why he should be back until arguments happen. It's obvious we already disagree. When analyzing a story, you have to judge it on it's own merits. Yeah it's easy to compare because there have been so many Bond movies but ask yourself one question.

    What is a spy's main goal? To hide in plain sight. Now Quantum isn't a group of spies, but they like to manipulate spies and government agents into working for them under their own nose. Quantum is a sort of anti spy organization. That's why their little setup at the Opera was so great. They have some big ca-hones. Unlike SPECTRE who has a group of people hide in a secret room. While Quantum shows they are more daring and ballsy.

    I know @Murdock. Thing is, if you read back the reaction of @Matt_Helm....then perhaps he wants to initiate a nice discussion. But the way he puts it also make me sound a bit....off. And I know how these discussions go.

    But to comment on you. I slightly disagree. I think both QUANTUM and SPECTRE are quite similar actually. QUANTUM was trying to execute the Ti-erra Project. Which was indeed to destabilizing governments first, then trying to get the monopoly on public water utility companies. And by doing so increasing the wealth of the organization.

    Well, SPECTRE is like that too. Originally it was founded to combine the best minds of various countries. Like QUANTUM. In Thunderball for instance, the plan is to hijack nuclear bombs, which works. But like QUANTUM their end goal is also to raise tons of money. So they can invest again in future projects.

    So both QUANTUM and SPECTRE initiate ingenious operations and plans to collect shit loads of money. They are not there to terrorize one nation or one particular person (unlike Silva in SF). The way they do it is indeed slightly different. SPECTRE uses complete secrecy. And QUANTUM is doing meetings during opera's.

    Having said that, I slightly miss the "terror", "revenge" and "extortion" part of QUANTUM. They are just a more the criminal counterpart of Richard Branson's Virgin Group. And therefore for me they lack a bit of....pure evil. So that's why I'd love to see QUANTUM slowly turning into SPECTRE.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    LDLF.....
    Lady Dench Lives Forever. ;)
  • AdaShelby wrote: »

    It's frikkin' front news on every movie geek show :-P. And that tells you something.
  • Posts: 15,106
    Murdock wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The guy with the same name as the leader of a large crime organisation for the fifth or sixth time. To me, that sounds very, very boring.

    But the name is the LAST thing Joe Public remembers about Blofeld.

    How do you know? Do you speak for the public? Your a Bond fan like the rest of us. You can't speak for an entire demographic of people. Just because some in your area don't know anything about Blofeld doesn't mean the rest of the general audience doesn't.

    I do not know, I assume with a relative amount of certainty from my partial experience talking to non-Bond fans and even casual Bond fans. They mix many characters and movies up. Moneypenny is often referred to as the secretary. Oddjob as that Chinese guy with the hat. Jaws as that guy with the teeth who "always comes back" in every old Bond movie. Blofeld and Largo are mixed together like that Simpsons spoof. Etc, etc, etc. People remember glimpses of Bond movies. Iconic elements.

    I know about Blofeld because I am a Bond fan. You know about Blofeld because you are a Bond fan. And even you don't seem to be able to make the difference between the spoofed image and the source character.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The guy with the same name as the leader of a large crime organisation for the fifth or sixth time. To me, that sounds very, very boring.

    But the name is the LAST thing Joe Public remembers about Blofeld.

    How do you know? Do you speak for the public? Your a Bond fan like the rest of us. You can't speak for an entire demographic of people. Just because some in your area don't know anything about Blofeld doesn't mean the rest of the general audience doesn't.

    I do not know, I assume with a relative amount of certainty from my partial experience talking to non-Bond fans and even casual Bond fans. They mix many characters and movies up. Moneypenny is often referred to as the secretary. Oddjob as that Chinese guy with the hat. Jaws as that guy with the teeth who "always comes back" in every old Bond movie. Blofeld and Largo are mixed together like that Simpsons spoof. Etc, etc, etc. People remember glimpses of Bond movies. Iconic elements.

    I know about Blofeld because I am a Bond fan. You know about Blofeld because you are a Bond fan. And even you don't seem to be able to make the difference between the spoofed image and the source character.

    Nice way of resorting to insults. I don't know much about the book version because I haven't read all the books thank you. I don't read much. I watch movies so I know about the MOVIE version. Which I've had more than enough of. They can do the book version hopefully under a different name. Creating a new character. :D
  • If they don't change their mind, EON should make an announcement before the week is out.
  • Posts: 15,106
    Murdock wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The guy with the same name as the leader of a large crime organisation for the fifth or sixth time. To me, that sounds very, very boring.

    But the name is the LAST thing Joe Public remembers about Blofeld.

    How do you know? Do you speak for the public? Your a Bond fan like the rest of us. You can't speak for an entire demographic of people. Just because some in your area don't know anything about Blofeld doesn't mean the rest of the general audience doesn't.

    I do not know, I assume with a relative amount of certainty from my partial experience talking to non-Bond fans and even casual Bond fans. They mix many characters and movies up. Moneypenny is often referred to as the secretary. Oddjob as that Chinese guy with the hat. Jaws as that guy with the teeth who "always comes back" in every old Bond movie. Blofeld and Largo are mixed together like that Simpsons spoof. Etc, etc, etc. People remember glimpses of Bond movies. Iconic elements.

    I know about Blofeld because I am a Bond fan. You know about Blofeld because you are a Bond fan. And even you don't seem to be able to make the difference between the spoofed image and the source character.

    Nice way of resorting to insults. I don't know much about the book version because I haven't read all the books thank you. I don't read much. I watch movies so I know about the MOVIE version. Which I've had more than enough of. They can do the book version hopefully under a different name. Creating a new character. :D

    I did not resort to insult, I answered the way you wrote to me. How do I know? Because I am a Bond fan. Non Bond fans know far less about Bond and the characters in his universe. I started a thread a while ago about common misconceptions about Bond. People come up with surprising things. Bottom line: Blofeld does not have the notoriety of the Joker or Moriarty among the general public.

    And my argument for bringing back Blofeld is that true justice was never done to the character, because he was so brilliant in the source material. I know you had enough of the movie version. So did I. Hence, go back to the source material. Not knowing about it is no excuse (and not my problem).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    The guy with the same name as the leader of a large crime organisation for the fifth or sixth time. To me, that sounds very, very boring.

    But the name is the LAST thing Joe Public remembers about Blofeld.

    How do you know? Do you speak for the public? Your a Bond fan like the rest of us. You can't speak for an entire demographic of people. Just because some in your area don't know anything about Blofeld doesn't mean the rest of the general audience doesn't.

    I do not know, I assume with a relative amount of certainty from my partial experience talking to non-Bond fans and even casual Bond fans. They mix many characters and movies up. Moneypenny is often referred to as the secretary. Oddjob as that Chinese guy with the hat. Jaws as that guy with the teeth who "always comes back" in every old Bond movie. Blofeld and Largo are mixed together like that Simpsons spoof. Etc, etc, etc. People remember glimpses of Bond movies. Iconic elements.

    I know about Blofeld because I am a Bond fan. You know about Blofeld because you are a Bond fan. And even you don't seem to be able to make the difference between the spoofed image and the source character.

    Nice way of resorting to insults. I don't know much about the book version because I haven't read all the books thank you. I don't read much. I watch movies so I know about the MOVIE version. Which I've had more than enough of. They can do the book version hopefully under a different name. Creating a new character. :D

    I did not resort to insult, I answered the way you wrote to me. How do I know? Because I am a Bond fan. Non Bond fans know far less about Bond and the characters in his universe. I started a thread a while ago about common misconceptions about Bond. People come up with surprising things. Bottom line: Blofeld does not have the notoriety of the Joker or Moriarty among the general public.

    And my argument for bringing back Blofeld is that true justice was never done to the character, because he was so brilliant in the source material. I know you had enough of the movie version. So did I. Hence, go back to the source material. Not knowing about it is no excuse (and not my problem).

    No point in responding to you since all this back and forth rambling in circles nonsense is like responding to trolls. Not worth the patience and energy. :-?
  • Posts: 15,106
    And who is resorting to insults now... I am not the one using argument from ignorance.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    And who is resorting to insults now... I am not the one using argument from ignorance.
    Funny considering I didn't insult you.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2014 Posts: 12,480
    All of what I say is of course my opinion, folks ...

    I mentioned having Blofeld return as a woman quite a while back. It is not a bad idea.

    Waltz is a fine actor and in no way implies a return to the Brosnan era - by which, I think it was meant that popular current actors were hired for a role instead of an actor who would have been a much better fit (Terri instead of Monica, for example). I do not think that is correct with Waltz. I think the producers want quality acting and he can deliver that.

    I am asking myself, "Would Mendes want to be known as the director who brought Blofeld back?" and I am slightly swayed to answer "Yes." to that - because if it is done extremely well, it would be great. As has been mentioned, the different kind of Joker that appeared in TDK is an excellent example of an iconic character being reintroduced in a fresh, exciting, modern and relevant way. Ledger blew everybody away with his portrayal. Over the top, yes, but that character deserved that extreme treatment; and that Joker was frightening and startlingly different. I do not want Blofeld to be like the previous movie versions at all, pretty much. I do want him (her) to be very memorable, a great villain, whether in all of Bond 24 or introduced at the end or not at all until Bond 25.

    I don't think Mendes wants to repeat himself. Skyfall was one kind of film, with that particular tone and theme and a good completed story arc (for Judi's M and for Bond). I think Mendes would be interested in taking Bond somewhere else - not only in locations, but in focus, attitude, and in having a more adventurous yet fun tone to at least some of it (a lighter Bond film). Without, dear heavens help all involved, resorting to over the top or camp humor. Fortunately, I believe Craig does have a clause or something in his contract that enables him to have more say, more weight in his opinion than the previous Bond actors had.

    I could see Bond 24 having some glorious fun adventurous moments, more lighthearted tone for some of it; then comes some dark, twisting, hidden evil. I am hoping it is complex enough, yet smoothly delivered.

    As for LDLF, it could mean something else entirely, not a film name.
    The only thing that springs to mind for a film title is: "Love Does Last Forever" which I truly think is NOT a Bond film title! ;)

  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited November 2014 Posts: 1,261
    How about THIS guy and his organisation for BOND 24? With the villain's layer at Lake Zurich?
    Sepp-blatter-006.jpg


    Okay, kidding, just a joke. Even Bond would not be able to fight off these people.
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