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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,399
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    No more Mendes-Shanghai or CGI islands please. If your budget is over 100 Million, there's no excuse.

    actually that CGI island you speak of was (for the most part) practically built on the Pinewood backlot - they only CGI'd background areas to expand the look for when the actors were in scene... but naturally the big wides were CGI'd.. that didn't bother me much - as the CGI'd choppers looked worse........ but beyond that, the island is based off a real abandoned island off the coast of Japan - though you probably already know that.. but according to Mendes (on the skyfall commentary) they wanted to actually film on that island, but it was too dangerous and not practical enough..
  • bondjames wrote: »
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.

    You and me both.

    Bond's ancestral issues and the "Bondcave" that purportedly turned him into a man in Skyfall were a bit too much for me already. Just give the man his martinis and his guns and let him navel-gaze once in a while over lost loves and sacrificial lambs and the killing he's done and then get on with it.

    It seems that will not be the case. At least, not as black-and-white as you put it. I really liked the background history of Bond. It gave the character more complexity and gravita. We saw your wish of such a Bond film during the Brosnan films. I'm glad that chapter is still closed.

    I want drama, complexity, layers....packed in a lush Bond production. If you want to re-introduce
    Blofeld
    , one needs to do it damn good, and with gravita. And not like it was done in the 1960's films. So far, it seems that the "twisted stories", as you put it, will still be in place in Bond 24. And I'm happy for it.

    Then again, there are a lot of rumours. And I think in the end all fans will be happy, you and me :-)

    Perhaps I was a little too flippant with my comment. I am absolutely for complexity, gravitas, drama, and layers of the sort found in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Licence to Kill, GoldenEye, The World Is Not Enough, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and elsewhere in the series. What I'm not so keen about is dwelling on family issues and the possibility of shoehorning in some cloying past connection between Bond and Blofeld (if he's even in B24!) á la the cases @bondjames referenced. Not saying that will be the case in B24, but it's a possibility best avoided. Like I said, I'm pro navel-gazing (in moderation) and to avoid any confusion, I'm pro complexity, gravitas, drama, and layers, too. ;)

    That family dwelling can't be as big as in "Skyfall". I'm quite confident about that. Although, it was a bit of a necessity for "Skyfall", as in there some loose ends had to be tied up. Not only that, I thought it was quite nice to put Fleming's background history about Bond in a Bond film.

    I think for me this criticism sounds so similar to the criticism in 1969/1970 about Bond getting married, falling really in love, and then suffering the loss of his wife. Really, back in 1969, uring screenings, high ranking movie bosses were disrespectfully sighing about these events. While it really was Fleming who wrote this.

    Same with "Skyfall". It's a unique Bond film, as this is the only Bond film where we can have some proper look at Bond's past, Bond's parents, and Bond's fears as a kid. I loved it. It wasn't done in cheesy way IMO. These difficult events were written skillfully, and for me they worked.

    Compared to Batman's past, the past of Bond in SF still is incredibly minor and small. Having said so, I don't think Bond 24 will be that elaborate. But one has to create extensive background history, if one is set to write a complex re-invented character.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 3,274
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.

    You and me both.

    Bond's ancestral issues and the "Bondcave" that purportedly turned him into a man in Skyfall were a bit too much for me already. Just give the man his martinis and his guns and let him navel-gaze once in a while over lost loves and sacrificial lambs and the killing he's done and then get on with it.

    It seems that will not be the case. At least, not as black-and-white as you put it.
    After three reboots, many of us believe, that the Bond character pretty much should be established by now. No more inner demons/digging in the past/personal issues stuff. Spend more time letting the character development come from somebody else, like a memorable villain for example.

  • Zekidk wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.

    You and me both.

    Bond's ancestral issues and the "Bondcave" that purportedly turned him into a man in Skyfall were a bit too much for me already. Just give the man his martinis and his guns and let him navel-gaze once in a while over lost loves and sacrificial lambs and the killing he's done and then get on with it.

    It seems that will not be the case. At least, not as black-and-white as you put it.
    After three reboots, many of us believe, that the Bond character pretty much should be established by now. No more inner demons/digging in the past/personal issues stuff. Spend more time letting the character development come from somebody else, like a memorable villain for example.

    You said it. That will most likely be the case. I believe Bond 24 will be about the villain. Hence
    the return of Blofeld
    . Just be patient. And relax :-).
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 2,015
    What I'm not so keen about is dwelling on family issues and the possibility of shoehorning in some cloying past connection between Bond and Blofeld (if he's even in B24!) á la the cases @bondjames referenced. Not saying that will be the case in B24, but it's a possibility best avoided.

    When I read the Mail paper, I'm not sure what they write about is the story of the movie for sure. They could also mean EON planned a bluff for the press conference. Like in Skyfall's press conference with "Eve".

    Whatever happens, this paper is a puzzle to solve for EON : "if they say he doesn't play Blofeld, don't believe them !". Gee, it sounds like some Internet troll :)
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,399
    in terms of the latest Bond 24 / Waltz rumors...
    if it's true about Waltz's character Oberhauser really being Blofeld.... then so be it... I'm not going to spend the next year with a stick up my a** because i would prefer to see new villains... all i ask for at the end of the day is a good movie...

    the only thing i do question a bit - is does every villain or plot have to involve some personal stake for Bond?.. granted, there has been personal touches for Bond in almost every film - but it's like they are relying a bit too heavily on the whole "this time it's personal" angle in recent films - it seems more in your face obvious than it used to be........ can't it be enough anymore that this evil person just wants to kill a bunch of people? - but now he's gotta be Bond's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roomate..
  • The news of the press conference excites me, cause that's the same week as my birthday :D
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Can someone please change the topic title into "details of villain announced"? The news from yesterday is simply a huge incredible spoiler. And although I don't mind it -there are never enough news items for me-, for other Bond fans, like @JWESTBROOK, this is not nice.

    By the way, if one reads the article carefully, then it says that the name of
    Hans Oberhausen is merely a front/cover that will be used during the press conference, to keep the return of Blofeld secret for the time being. Probably, there's no link at all to Bond's past.
  • Posts: 5,767
    That family dwelling can't be as big as in "Skyfall". I'm quite confident about that.
    Great to hear that.
    Although, it was a bit of a necessity for "Skyfall", as in there some loose ends had to be tied up. Not only that, I thought it was quite nice to put Fleming's background history about Bond in a Bond film.
    The only thing in SF mentioned already by Fleming were the names of Bond´s parents. The historical elements that are completely new by far outweigh those connected to Fleming.
    Compared to Batman's past, the past of Bond in SF still is incredibly minor and small.
    True. One big redeeming factor of SF.
    But one has to create extensive background history, if one is set to write a complex re-invented character.
    The question is if that background story has to be narrated step by step, or if it shouldn´t be simply visible in the character´s face and actions? When Moore interrupted XXX when she started mentioning his marriage, we got all the information needed. Or just watch Michael Mann´s Manhunter, or Collateral, or Miami Vice, there you get more in-depth information about the characters in the first five minutes of the film than you get throughout the whole of SF.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Are we really going to play this spoiler game for the rest of the shooting? This is ridiculous to say the least. Because I don't think, that for anybody, who wants to avoid spoiler it makes any sense to go to this thread at all. Because it will not save them from knowing, not one bit. So - the rest goes out of their ways to avoid spoiler for some, who shouldn't come here in the first place. Makes no sense. Not because I don't care about other people wishes, but because without reading the spoiler, the whole reading doesn't make sense, so why do it? Avoid the whole thread, we take care with the titles and that's it. Then we can just speak in a normal way here without using spoiler tags for every tid bit.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2014 Posts: 12,480
    I think the title of the thread should be changed, though. I believe this is JWESTBROOK's thread. I don't see a mod online right this moment to ask him to change it.

    And I think you have a good point, GermanLady. I may change my stance on that. It is to the point, with news coming out and the press conference imminent, that maybe this whole thread should just be viewed as a spoiler and the title to always have that in it ("SPOILERS are here!")
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited November 2014 Posts: 40,967
    It's just that, for those who would prefer to avoid spoilers (such as myself; I'm treading lightly here, even though I'm at a stage now where I want to avoid the big spoilers that'll ruin the film for me), it wouldn't hurt to update the title of the thread in a more subtle way. The way it looks now, some people may want to avoid that knowledge until filming is underway or the film is closer to release. It wouldn't hurt to respect other people's wishes, as I've read quite a few complaints about the thread title, as well.

    I'll edit it for now, and @JWESTBROOK can do as he likes when he is online next time. I think it'll avoid a mass influx of complaints and upset feelings if we keep the title updated (again, in a subtle way), and it's not going to hurt the people who do visit this thread, because they'll read more into what the update is, anyway.
  • Germanlady wrote: »
    Are we really going to play this spoiler game for the rest of the shooting? This is ridiculous to say the least. Because I don't think, that for anybody, who wants to avoid spoiler it makes any sense to go to this thread at all. Because it will not save them from knowing, not one bit. So - the rest goes out of their ways to avoid spoiler for some, who shouldn't come here in the first place. Makes no sense. Not because I don't care about other people wishes, but because without reading the spoiler, the whole reading doesn't make sense, so why do it? Avoid the whole thread, we take care with the titles and that's it. Then we can just speak in a normal way here without using spoiler tags for every tid bit.

    Take. It. Easy. @Germanlady :-). Merely asking for the title to be changed, because that's the title that gives away too much. It's inevitably to be spoiled by this topic without even opening it or reading the contents of it.

    @boldfinger? Read my last comment, in spoiler tags.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    I do think this thread should be treated as one big bag of spoilers and the title reflect that, and people just take that to heart and not open the thread if they really do not want things spoiled for themselves.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 6,844
    I agree with both Germanlady and 4EverBonded. All of this Blofeld business has been spoiled in the thread title anyways so there's no reason anyone needs to be using spoiler tags for anything Blofeld-rumor related. If you're coming into this thread, you're here for the B24 updates, which generally entail spoilers anyways.

    And for the rest of the board, whether or not there's any validity to this latest Blofeld rumor (personally, I don't think there is much—how accurate has the Daily Mail been?), the current title of this thread is potentially a major spoiler and should probably be censored. Just my thoughts.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,967
    I'm starting to open up more about "spoilers." At this rate, most of the stuff we've seen is common knowledge. I feel that if MI6 is posting it on the main page or on Facebook, then it's not a true game changer. I can't be too uptight about spoilers if I'm staying on the forum, anyway. Only way for someone to really avoid everything is to get rid of all social media and electronics for a year.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 6,601
    Hm - was I not making it clear? Sorry...what i mean is, take care of the title and then stop using spoiler tags in the thread. There is no way, people, who want to avoid spoiler will NOT get unwelcome info while reading, EVEN IF we use the tags. So, why come here? For the rest of us its very unnerving to use AND to read through all those tags.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Personally, I am still more open to spoilers a bit. But I'm trying to be cautious enough with the thread's title to give others a chance.

    I do not go to the main website page here often now because I know it has news, too. Others may be doing their vigilant best to still avoid spoilers.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,967
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Hm - was I not making it clear? Sorry...what i mean is, take care of the title and then stop using spoiler tags in the thread. There is no way, people, who want to avoid spoiler will NOT get unwelcome info while reading, EVEN IF we use the tags. So, why come here? For the rest of us its very unnerving to use AND to read through all those tags.

    I agree with this. It should be established by now that this thread will contain spoilers, and if people don't want to use the tags, then they shouldn't have to.
  • Thanks for the change of the topic title :-). Now let's move on.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Yes, GermanLady, I understood you from your first post. :)

    Thanks for changing the title, Creasy47!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,967
    You're quite welcome, everyone. Enjoy the spoiler-filled discussions now!
  • Posts: 6,601
    So - is it agreed, that we STOP using tags ALTOGETHER here? I hope :)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    I think that is right: Yes, unless we want to use them. Waiting to hear from JWESTBROOK on this too, of course.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Germanlady wrote: »
    So - is it agreed, that we STOP using tags ALTOGETHER here? I hope :)

    Agreed.
  • Just ask nicely, and your wishes will be heard hehe. Just used the spoilers by actually thinking ahead and feeling empathic with those who doesn't want to be spoiled. In any case, using no spoilers at all in this topic is way easier. So no spoiler tags then.....
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    HASEROT wrote: »
    in terms of the latest Bond 24 / Waltz rumors...
    if it's true about Waltz's character Oberhauser really being Blofeld.... then so be it... I'm not going to spend the next year with a stick up my a** because i would prefer to see new villains... all i ask for at the end of the day is a good movie...

    the only thing i do question a bit - is does every villain or plot have to involve some personal stake for Bond?.. granted, there has been personal touches for Bond in almost every film - but it's like they are relying a bit too heavily on the whole "this time it's personal" angle in recent films - it seems more in your face obvious than it used to be........ can't it be enough anymore that this evil person just wants to kill a bunch of people? - but now he's gotta be Bond's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roomate..
    =)) My sentiments exactly! =))
  • Posts: 6,601
    Great. That will make life much easier around here =D>
  • Posts: 2,599
    I'm sure they'll have the sense to make Blofeld's appeaance different to that of how he looked in YOLT what with the whole Austin Powers thing. They obviously either must come up with their own look for Blofeld (if this news turns out to be true which I kind of hope it does although I won't be heartbroken if it doesn't either) or go with the way he appeared in the book OHMSS for example, with the long silver hair (or was that the YOLT novel? I forget).

    Yeah, I too am sick of the personal angle. They've got the skiing and now the Hans reference so I won't be surprised. I wish that Hans had have just appeared in the film as an elderly man who Bond meets up with followed by a brief discussion regarding Bond's bad skiing style (in the books he lacks style as a skiier).

    Damn, I guess I can't even read the articles posted on the left hand side of the mi6 page any longer as they have spoilers too.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,012
    First of all, I tend to discredit everything that comes printed on the Daily Mail unless it's Baz's column. Baz said it himself there would not be any Bond news this week. Was he talking just about his column or in general? We don't know.

    Assuming this is true, then I was the one pointing the Oberhausen possibility back when Waltz's cast was made public. Still, this doesn't mean the mission is going to be personal.

    EDIT: I think less and less that Waltz got the role Ejiofor was running for.
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