SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    AdaShelby wrote: »
    Samuel001 wrote: »
    If it really starts shooting on december 6th, it is crazy that we know nothing about the press conference yet.

    Skyfall's press conference was announced one week before it was held, Quantum's just one day before.

    These are the only possible dates it could be on, seeing as I don't think we'll have it during November:

    Monday 1st December
    Tuesday 2nd December
    Wednesday 3rd December
    Thursday 4th December
    Friday 5th December
    Saturday 6th December (supposed filming date)

    Agreed. The most recent rumor regarding the press conference stated that it will be held sometime during the first week of December. Which is next week! :bz
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Some interesting fact here that directly relates to Ian Fleming's short novel "Octopussy":
    When James Bond came to visit Major Smythe in Jamaica, what crime was he investigating?

    MI6 started investigating the assassination of an officer named Hans Oberhauser. After
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Walecs wrote: »
    ggl007 wrote: »
    Italian news: http://www.huffingtonpost.it/2014/11/23/daniel-craig-roma-il-24esimo-007-girato-in-italia_n_6207576.html

    "The shoot is scheduled from 19 February to 12 March 2015.
    A speeding car that clashes in the night with a Fiat 500, another high-speed chase, always at night, along Corso Vittorio Emanuele II, and then on Lungo Tevere, where even a car ends up in the river after a flight. But the scene that will remain in the memory is undoubtedly the one in which the ineffable Bond (who knows if in a tuxedo) will launch, always at night, from a helicopter flying over the city landing on the fifteenth-century bridge built by Pope Sixtus V to connect Piazza Trilussa, the heart of Trastevere, the other side of the city
    ."

    ponte-sisto-rome-(by-tiziano-virive).jpg

    Real or not, sounds really good...

    Thanks to damncoffee in commanderbond

    Thanks @gl007. But can someone from Italy, who speaks/writes very good English, translate this in a better way? This has been translated via Google Translate. And I don't understand a thing of it.

    @Walec? Perhaps you?

    With pleasure, @Gustav_Graves , with pleasure.

    Daniel Craig in Rome: James Bond will parachutes down on Ponte Sisto. The 24th 007 movie [will be] filmed in Italy
    Breathtaking chases through the historical center, gymkhanas, fights, and even a car which flies on [the river] Tevere.

    Meanwhile, Bond lands with a parachut on Ponte Sisto, in the center of the eternal city. Partly filmed in Rome, where filming is planned on 19th february-12th march 2015, the new film of 007 - produced by MGM and directed by Sam Mendes (who also did Skyfall) and Daniel Craig once again playing the most charming secret agent ever - has got spectacular scenes through palaces and millenary monuments.

    Three locations for as many scenes with a high adrenaline rate have already been planned in Borgo Vittorio, next to Vatican, with a running car which will clash into a Fiat 500 at night, another fast chase, again at night, through Corso Vittorio Emanuele II, then on Lungo Tevere, where a car falls in the water of the river after a spectacular flight. The most memorable scene will be however when Bond (perhaps wearing a tuxedo? Who knows) will parachute, again at night, from a helicopter which will be flying over the city and will landon the bridge whose building was ordered by Papa Sisto in the XV century to link Piazza Trilussa, heart of Trastevere, to the other shore of the city.

    Bond 24 will also film in Campania, inside Caserta's Royal Palace.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    ^^^ oh boohoo, they'll get over it lol... having a spectacle of a film being shot in your town - especially as small as Obertilliac is not something you experience every day, but there are always the negative nancys that worry about "day to day life being intruded on"..... it'll be fine, you may have to take alternate routes on some days, but it will be over with before they know it..... embrace it! it's James f-ing Bond! :)
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    Oberhauser slowly turns from ally into villain during the film.

    I like that idea. Revealing that someone Bond (and the audience) thinks is an ally, is actually a villain has been done to death, but seing someone who really is a good guy at the beginning of the movie turning into a villain sound fresh!
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Something went wrong on my mobile phone :-(. So I repost it.....

    Some interesting fact here that directly relates to Ian Fleming's short novel "Octopussy":
    When James Bond came to visit Major Smythe in Jamaica, what crime was he investigating?

    MI6 started investigating the assassination of an officer named Hans Oberhauser. After several years, a glacier in Austria melted and Oberhauser's dead body thawed out of it. Hans Oberhauser was a ski-instructor who taught the young Bond skiing. As he and Bond were close, Bond took the case and did the full investigation.

    Hans Oberhauser was last seen in a motor vehicle with Major Dexter Smythe. Some years before he died. Mary Smythe had overdosed on sleeping pills, which she had taken "to teach [her husband] a lesson" after the couple had quarreled (alas, she had miscalculated the dosage). The housekeeper was alive and well, so was Octopussy, the hungry but elusive wild octopus of whom Smythe was so very fond off.

    Now let's combine the above story from "Octopussy" with the news from yesterday's Daily Mail on Sunday-article, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845621/You-weren-t-expecting-007-BLOFELD-S-Bond-having-kittens-evil-foe-returns-double-Oscar-winner-Christoph-Waltz-tipped-play-him.html :
    Eon productions, which owns the James Bond film franchise, will announce the star is playing an unknown character called Franz Oberhauser, son of the late Hans Oberhauser, a ski instructor who acted as a father figure to Bond.

    But senior sources believe the casting is a double bluff worthy of 007 himself and that Waltz is actually playing Blofeld. One Hollywood source, who asked not to be named, said: "Christoph Waltz is playing Blofeld in the next Bond film. The tone of the 007 films has changed significantly in recent years and the producers have changed the character to fit in with the new-look 007."

    Thanks @DoubleoNothing for mentioning this today in another insightful Skype-conversation. It completely escaped me ;-).

    But I think The Daily Mail is drawing conclusions a bit too soon. Or in any case....there's a possibility that The Daily Mail can not fit the puzzle together completely just yet ;-). I know firmly believe Franz Oberhauser is a character in the film, most likely played by Waltz. But for me that tells me there's more behind all this. You just can not turn Oberhauser into Blofeld.

    I think there's a possibility that Oberhauser slowly turns from ally into villain during the film. We actually see the process of Oberhauser turning into a villain. That leaves an opening to the character of Blofeld. Perhaps Dexter Smythe is Blofeld. And if that's the case there's a possibility that we get a very very late reveal during the movie of Blofeld. And perhaps because of that we probably won't even find out during the press conference which actor is hired to play Blofeld.

    And suddenly, the Rettenbachferner glacier in Austria also makes more sense. Actually, the entire filming in Austria makes sense now. Also, I'm delighted to see how John Logan/Neal Purvis/Robert Wade/ Jezz Butterworth still manage to put new Fleming source material into a Bond film. Every Bond fan who admires Ian Fleming must like this bit of news ;-). And Bond 24 is now directly linked to wintersports and skiing.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 9,843
    Some interesting fact here that directly relates to Ian Fleming's short novel "Octopussy":
    When James Bond came to visit Major Smythe in Jamaica, what crime was he investigating?

    MI6 started investigating the assassination of an officer named Hans Oberhauser. After



    If Franz is in the film this wiull be both interesting and exciting as this is the first time since 1989's licence to kill a fleming Character has been feature in a nonfleming title film

    this is also the first time a character (ally or enemy) has a fleming name that has appeared in a bond film since Mathis in Quantum of solace (if villian first time since Casino Royale) I always say the more they can take from fleming the better things are.

    However I wonder if the films plot is elements of Octopussy For Your eyes only and risico

    Where bond goes and investigates the murder of his friend and former mentor (perhaps M's friend to) Hans Oberhausaer who was found murdered Bond goes to austria to invetigate and is greeted by a contact (the actual main villian) who claims Franz has gone insane and killed his father. if so this is not only brilliant but the idea of leaking false info of Waltz playing blofield would be INSPIRED and actually really brilliant in a way.
  • Posts: 12,526
    All of this excitement about Blofeld seems abit pointless to me. Seeing as apparently the DC era is set before the Connery era? Blofeld will REMAIN unknown to Bond anyway?

    Does this mean we are going to have this all over again when DC steps down? We need Blofeld AGAIN because it has never been proven he was killed in the first place? Certain fans may not care but the general public will and will get bored of the same villain over and over again.

    IF Blofeld is set to return? Wait until the Craig era is over atleast? The man is on the 4th of 5 movies with Quantum yet to be dealt with still!
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 267
    It looks like we're getting a good feel from other 007 novels in Bond 24:

    Franz Oberhauser - Octopussy
    Rome Location - Risico
    Snow Location - High Time to Kill

    Hopefully, we'll see the appearance of Maria Freudenstein, who I really want to appear in the Bond film series. I'd love to see the scene in the auction to be adapted onto the screen.
  • Posts: 4,619
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    All of this excitement about Blofeld seems abit pointless to me. Seeing as apparently the DC era is set before the Connery era? Blofeld will REMAIN unknown to Bond anyway?
    The DC era is not set before the Connery era.
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Does this mean we are going to have this all over again when DC steps down?
    Probably not. If Blofeld really does make an apperance in this movie I bet he will return in Bond 25 (and possibly Bond 26 if Craig does 6 movies). After that I don't see them using Blofeld again for another couple of decades.
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Wait until the Craig era is over atleast?
    That's what I would have done for a simple reason: the Craig era already has so many great things, if they end up using Blofeld now, how will they make the next era "special"? (Maybe that will end up being set in the 60s...)
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The man is on the 4th of 5 movies with Quantum yet to be dealt with still!
    Most people have already forgotten about Quantum (including the producers hopefully). Only a handful of anal retentive fans want them to return.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,512
    Tokoloshe wrote: »

    Producers delay somethings from Bond 23 to Bond 24 and now to Bond 25 and other things from Bond 24 to Bond 25. No Felix and Camile in one movie,but Camile in Bond 24 and Felix in Bond 25. Bond hunting Quantum alone and then together with Felix one movie later..

    After QOS i thaught first Bond go to take train in Russia, passing Tibet, Mongolia, India and end in China. Known as Transsiberië Express aka Peking Express. There can have used DAF/TMWTGG train scene (DAF element already used in Goldeneye, but that don't mean there can't do it again.) elements and there stil can use that. Easy by replacing Russian agent by another Quantum member or Mr White or Green, Camile replacing Felix and also be DAF Bondgirl or Camile as DAF Bondgirl and Q replacing Felix.

    Around time of my third view of QOS i follow the discussions about QOS delete scene with Mr White and TMWTGG and Yolt elements on the old forums.

    I think that Property Of Lady, Risico or a title that i discover prefer not to talk about but be Fleming title too should be title. This title is how some people think about Bond.
    Oberhauser slowly turns from ally into villain during the film.

    I like that idea. Revealing that someone Bond (and the audience) thinks is an ally, is actually a villain has been done to death, but seing someone who really is a good guy at the beginning of the movie turning into a villain sound fresh!

    And what about somebody who be see as villian where you can't get your hands on, who is told to you be be death but by and told to somebody who be naief (I refer to Tanner and M at the end of QOS and Tanner his earlier behaviour in the movie and later also in Skyfall.)
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    @RougeAgent

    you do realize that every film prior to CR no longer counts right?.... sure they are still there, but CR rebooted the franchise, meaning it doesn't share any continuity with the previous 20 films - and no, they are not prequels either..
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 267
    M_Balje wrote: »
    Tokoloshe wrote: »

    Producers delay somethings from Bond 23 to Bond 24 and now to Bond 25 and other things from Bond 24 to Bond 25. No Felix and Camile in one movie,but Camile in Bond 24 and Felix in Bond 25. Bond hunting Quantum alone and then together with Felix one movie later..

    After QOS i thaught first Bond go to take train in Russia, passing Tibet, Mongolia, India and end in China. Known as Transsiberië Express aka Peking Express. There can have used DAF/TMWTGG train scene (DAF element already used in Goldeneye, but that don't mean there can't do it again.) elements and there stil can use that. Easy by replacing Russian agent by another Quantum member or Mr White or Green, Camile replacing Felix and also be DAF Bondgirl or Camile as DAF Bondgirl and Q replacing Felix.

    Around time of my third view of QOS i follow the discussions about QOS delete scene with Mr White and TMWTGG and Yolt elements on the old forums.

    I think that Property Of Lady, Risico or a title that i discover prefer not to talk about but be Fleming title too should be title. This title is how some people think about Bond.
    Oberhauser slowly turns from ally into villain during the film.

    I like that idea. Revealing that someone Bond (and the audience) thinks is an ally, is actually a villain has been done to death, but seing someone who really is a good guy at the beginning of the movie turning into a villain sound fresh!

    And what about somebody who be see as villian where you can't get your hands on, who is told to you be be death but by and told to somebody who be naief (I refer to Tanner and M at the end of QOS and Tanner his behaviour in Skyfall.)

    At first, I wasn't sure that Risico could be the title following one-worded title 'Skyfall', but then I remembered that 'Goldfinger' was followed by 'Thunderball' so the comment was a bit redundant. I always look at what the title would look like in a list of all the Bond films.

    For example:

    Casino Royale
    Quantum of Solace
    Skyfall
    Risico

    Example 2#:

    Casino Royale
    Quantum of Solace
    Skyfall
    The Property of a Lady
  • Are people actually reading my post from above? Hans Oberhauser? Ian Fleming? Octopussy? Franz Oberhauser? Christoph Waltz? ANYONE :-)? That's way more interesting than non-news like Felix Leiter not returning. Well, Oberhauser is a Fleming-character too!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    All of this excitement about Blofeld seems abit pointless to me. Seeing as apparently the DC era is set before the Connery era? Blofeld will REMAIN unknown to Bond anyway?

    Does this mean we are going to have this all over again when DC steps down? We need Blofeld AGAIN because it has never been proven he was killed in the first place? Certain fans may not care but the general public will and will get bored of the same villain over and over again.

    IF Blofeld is set to return? Wait until the Craig era is over atleast? The man is on the 4th of 5 movies with Quantum yet to be dealt with still!

    Do you know how reboots work?

    I see no problem with introducing Blofeld now; in fact I care very little about the details, just so long I get an excellent Bond film. Blofeld or no Blofeld these are pretty exciting times regardless.
  • doubleoego wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    All of this excitement about Blofeld seems abit pointless to me. Seeing as apparently the DC era is set before the Connery era? Blofeld will REMAIN unknown to Bond anyway?

    Does this mean we are going to have this all over again when DC steps down? We need Blofeld AGAIN because it has never been proven he was killed in the first place? Certain fans may not care but the general public will and will get bored of the same villain over and over again.

    IF Blofeld is set to return? Wait until the Craig era is over atleast? The man is on the 4th of 5 movies with Quantum yet to be dealt with still!

    Do you know how reboots work?

    I see no problem with introducing Blofeld now; in fact I care very little about the details, just so long I get an excellent Bond film. Blofeld or no Blofeld these are pretty exciting times regardless.

    That's how it usually goes :-). Orthodox and conservative criticism gets accepted eventually.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    All of this excitement about Blofeld seems abit pointless to me. Seeing as apparently the DC era is set before the Connery era? Blofeld will REMAIN unknown to Bond anyway?
    The DC era is not set before the Connery era.
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Does this mean we are going to have this all over again when DC steps down?
    Probably not. If Blofeld really does make an apperance in this movie I bet he will return in Bond 25 (and possibly Bond 26 if Craig does 6 movies). After that I don't see them using Blofeld again for another couple of decades.
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Wait until the Craig era is over atleast?
    That's what I would have done for a simple reason: the Craig era already has so many great things, if they end up using Blofeld now, how will they make the next era "special"? (Maybe that will end up being set in the 60s...)
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The man is on the 4th of 5 movies with Quantum yet to be dealt with still!
    Most people have already forgotten about Quantum (including the producers hopefully). Only a handful of anal retentive fans want them to return.

    I find your final comment regarding Quantum HIGHLY Hilarious! So what kind of people are the ones who bang on about Spectre and Blofeld then?!!! That's what i call anal! Quantum is a genuine unresolved storyline. People say it done as they have been exposed! Well apply the logic to Blofeld being tipped down the industrial chimney then! Makes no sense whatsoever?

    If Spectre returns? Quantum will too!
    HASEROT wrote: »
    @RougeAgent

    you do realize that every film prior to CR no longer counts right?.... sure they are still there, but CR rebooted the franchise, meaning it doesn't share any continuity with the previous 20 films - and no, they are not prequels either..

    Well that being so? Why have an old organisation when their is already a modern one on the scene?
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 908
    Matt_Helm wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    @Colonel - maybe don't try to spoil the fun Helm has with his ever lasting negativity. ;) He has proved, its to no avail and I don't like to see you good will and knowledge wasted on someone, who wouldn't know, how to deal with something positive, if it bit him in the ***. I consider him a member, we have to deal with, but whom you shouldn't take serious anymore or answer to. He is what he is. A person, wo loves negativity so much, can't possibly be a happy person in real life and for that, I pity him.

    I see the "hormones on rampage" tour has been prolonged.
    What you should see is,that what you call negativity I call applying and demanding at least a tiny bit of logic for my money,especially in a spy story. Obviously to you the only possible explanation for such an abnormal demanding behaviour is a dour and joyless life, to others it's the existence of intellect. ;)

    What gives you any bloody right to speak to someone that way? I'm not going to say what's properly on my mind about you because I'd likely get banned. Kudos to the staff here for the amount of patience they must have keeping you on these forums.

    I'm not going to say anything more about this because I don't want to take away from the Bond 24 discussion further. I'll just ask again who the hell you think you are to say something like that to someone else.

    When someone is on the record for watching Bond films because of Craig (not caring for those made before and probably after )and still dares criticising other peoples reasoning and arguments as product of being all negative and living a joyless life,well, I know where he or she is coming from.
    And she or you can love SF as much as you want,but whoever is denying,that it lacks any kind of logical development and is a prime example of volatile writing, is a lier or has no business whatsoever watching spy movies ( save Austin Powers that is). Also, if someone must be able to take it it is German lady. She and a guy called Jet Set Willy where the reason why I joined this forum over a year ago, because they were viciously throwing their weight into anyone who dared to say,that Skyfall might not be completely perfect.

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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    All of this excitement about Blofeld seems abit pointless to me. Seeing as apparently the DC era is set before the Connery era? Blofeld will REMAIN unknown to Bond anyway?
    The DC era is not set before the Connery era.
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Does this mean we are going to have this all over again when DC steps down?
    Probably not. If Blofeld really does make an apperance in this movie I bet he will return in Bond 25 (and possibly Bond 26 if Craig does 6 movies). After that I don't see them using Blofeld again for another couple of decades.
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Wait until the Craig era is over atleast?
    That's what I would have done for a simple reason: the Craig era already has so many great things, if they end up using Blofeld now, how will they make the next era "special"? (Maybe that will end up being set in the 60s...)
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The man is on the 4th of 5 movies with Quantum yet to be dealt with still!
    Most people have already forgotten about Quantum (including the producers hopefully). Only a handful of anal retentive fans want them to return.

    Wake up on the wrong side of the bed did we?


    I've tried to explain my point of view from a few angles but having watched both Dr no and From Russia with love this past weekend ( I am watching all the bond films in a sort of random order in my new house I only have 9 left the list of films i still have to watch will be at the end of this message)

    What do we know about Spctre from just Dr no and From Russia with love. Ignoring the books and the other films honestly what do we know. They hire people who other orgnizations dont want they like to try and destroy the west. they like to play the East and west off of each other they have a Number 1 the number one likes cats specifically persian white ones and fish specifically fighting ones and they had a chess champion who did their planning asnd they have an island... That's about it. Not very exciting in fact without Thunderball You Only live Twice and the rest they even sound a bit well boring. So what if Mendes were (and I don't feel this is possible as they are quite awesome but for the sake of argument) able to elevate Quantum with Bond 24 what if this film has the chance to be their Thunderball their time to shine? wouldn't you be at least 1% Curious to see how it would be done? if it can be done? etc?



    Any ways so People get a sense of where I am at in my 2014 bond viewing

    Bond films I saw this year (and the ranking is not in viewing order but in my personal ranking)

    1. Casino Royale
    2. From Russia with love
    3. The Living Daylights
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. Octopussy
    6. Tomorrow Never Dies
    7. The Man with the golden gun
    8. Skyfall
    9. You Only Live Twice
    10. Dr. No
    11. Diamonds Are Forever
    12. Goldfinger
    13. MoonRaker


    Bond Films i haven't seen this year (No order)

    1. Goldeneye (the dvd is broken in my collection annoyingly so I may have to find a different route)
    2. Thunderball
    3. Licence to kill
    4. Quantum of Solace
    5. A View to a Kill
    6. On Her majesties Secret Service
    7. Live and Let Die
    8. the spy who loved me
    9. Die another Day
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Matt_Helm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    If Blofeld is in the story, it will be to a degree personal. The guy is Bond's nemesis. Whether people here thinks it is a good idea to reintroduce him or not, the fact is that nemesis makes it personal.

    Wasn't it you who always maintained that a rebirth of Blofeld would have done to be very faithfully to Fleming and now it is suddenly alright if they have a personal connection just to emphasise his nemesis character? Shame on you! The only thing that made it personal between them was that he killed Bonds wife. That alone is simply not enough to make someone a nemesis. A most hated enemy sure, but no nemesis. Actually at the beginning of OHMSS Bond is completely bored with the guy and considers him a has been and not a challenge. This personal connection thing is merrily a rape of Flemings ideas and a cheap one at that! A most hateable idea!

    You are building a straw man. Read my posts again. No, actually, if you want to rebuke what I say, actually bother to read what I said. My many, many posts on the subject. Not my problem if you can't read Matt, or can't understand, or refuse to understand, I think even the post you quote is very clear: a nemesis creates de facto a personal antagonism. That is the nature of nemesis: with this particular adversary, it's personal.

    As I said in my many posts which you never bothered to read, because yes, it is far more efficient to name call and spout "shame on you" than actually reading the argument, I said that Bond's antagonism with Blofeld in both novels and movies predates the murder of Tracy, which represents obviously a peak, but is not its the only trigger for their antagonism. The Joker is Batman's nemesis, even if in the comics he did not kill the Waynes. Moriarty is Holmes' nemesis, even though the only thing that triggers it is the fact that both adversaries consider the other as his equal. This is personal enough.

    I won't say shame on you Matt, I know you have no shame.

    I have read your posts but I happen to think that you are over analysing in some of them.
    Regarding Blofeld - you are on the record for repeating that term Faithfully adaption. Where exactly in the scenario we are hinted right now is the faithful approach? Also a nemesis is someone who is coming permanently at you with the intent to punish you (actually she is the Greek goddess of revenge, but let's not get into that). The key word here is permanently. Blofeld simply does not qualify in this department .
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    If Spectre returns? Quantum will too!

    I don't know whether SPECTRE will return or not but I am absolutely sure that you will never see Quantum in a Sam Mendes film.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    @RougeAgent

    you do realize that every film prior to CR no longer counts right?.... sure they are still there, but CR rebooted the franchise, meaning it doesn't share any continuity with the previous 20 films - and no, they are not prequels either..

    Well that being so? Why have an old organisation when their is already a modern one on the scene?

    ok..... personally, i have not been beating the SPECTRE drum - i've been all about resolving QUANTUM - a loose end from QOS and CR...

    if... again, IF SPECTRE returns, then they are going to have to be reintroduced somehow... they can't just pop up and be like "were back!"... well, back from what? because according to this current timeline, they doesn't exist - and 99% of us understand that....... i think when guys/gals here on the forum speak of SPECTRE, and SPECTRE coming back - it's just generalization by taking into account how many years it's been in the franchise as a whole since they've been around - not based on a particular continuity of a storyline...

    but i understand your point of bringing back SPECTRE, when there is already a similar organization out there in QUANTUM... who knows - maybe a new SPECTRE is built from the ashes of a crumbling QUANTUM by the end of the film... maybe neither organization is used at all... right now, it's anyone's guess.. we'll just have to wait and see..
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,119
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Some interesting fact here that directly relates to Ian Fleming's short novel "Octopussy":
    When James Bond came to visit Major Smythe in Jamaica, what crime was he investigating?

    MI6 started investigating the assassination of an officer named Hans Oberhauser. After



    If Franz is in the film this wiull be both interesting and exciting as this is the first time since 1989's licence to kill a fleming Character has been feature in a nonfleming title film

    this is also the first time a character (ally or enemy) has a fleming name that has appeared in a bond film since Mathis in Quantum of solace (if villian first time since Casino Royale) I always say the more they can take from fleming the better things are.

    However I wonder if the films plot is elements of Octopussy For Your eyes only and risico

    Where bond goes and investigates the murder of his friend and former mentor (perhaps M's friend to) Hans Oberhausaer who was found murdered Bond goes to austria to invetigate and is greeted by a contact (the actual main villian) who claims Franz has gone insane and killed his father. if so this is not only brilliant but the idea of leaking false info of Waltz playing blofield would be INSPIRED and actually really brilliant in a way.

    I think it only deserves praise that the producers/director are again adding Fleming material in a Bond film.

    Sadly, everyone in here is now getting an erection on the name Blofeld. And although I think Blofeld will return in Bond 24, let's discuss other aspects as well ok? Hans Oberhauser for instance.
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    and if Blofield doesn't return at all and Quantum does... Man are people going to be dissapointed.. i wont though

    i do think though perhaps Eon is going to udse Blofield and hiring an actor well known for villian roles to kind of play with audience expectations which is risky. but in this business there are many risks.
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    Matt_Helm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Matt_Helm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    If Blofeld is in the story, it will be to a degree personal. The guy is Bond's nemesis. Whether people here thinks it is a good idea to reintroduce him or not, the fact is that nemesis makes it personal.

    Wasn't it you who always maintained that a rebirth of Blofeld would have done to be very faithfully to Fleming and now it is suddenly alright if they have a personal connection just to emphasise his nemesis character? Shame on you! The only thing that made it personal between them was that he killed Bonds wife. That alone is simply not enough to make someone a nemesis. A most hated enemy sure, but no nemesis. Actually at the beginning of OHMSS Bond is completely bored with the guy and considers him a has been and not a challenge. This personal connection thing is merrily a rape of Flemings ideas and a cheap one at that! A most hateable idea!

    You are building a straw man. Read my posts again. No, actually, if you want to rebuke what I say, actually bother to read what I said. My many, many posts on the subject. Not my problem if you can't read Matt, or can't understand, or refuse to understand, I think even the post you quote is very clear: a nemesis creates de facto a personal antagonism. That is the nature of nemesis: with this particular adversary, it's personal.

    As I said in my many posts which you never bothered to read, because yes, it is far more efficient to name call and spout "shame on you" than actually reading the argument, I said that Bond's antagonism with Blofeld in both novels and movies predates the murder of Tracy, which represents obviously a peak, but is not its the only trigger for their antagonism. The Joker is Batman's nemesis, even if in the comics he did not kill the Waynes. Moriarty is Holmes' nemesis, even though the only thing that triggers it is the fact that both adversaries consider the other as his equal. This is personal enough.

    I won't say shame on you Matt, I know you have no shame.

    I have read your posts but I happen to think that you are over analysing in some of them.
    Regarding Blofeld - you are on the record for repeating that term Faithfully adaption. Where exactly in the scenario we are hinted right now is the faithful approach? Also a nemesis is someone who is coming permanently at you with the intent to punish you (actually she is the Greek goddess of revenge, but let's not get into that). The key word here is permanently. Blofeld simply does not qualify in this department .

    Which posts in particular? So far you are the one pointing finger on a post of not even three lines long. Talk about over-analyzing.

    We don't know if Blofeld will be in Bond 24. If he shows up, as a nemesis, his antagonism with Bond will be/become personal. Or there are good chances it will be. Yes, I know about the Greek goddess. In the modern sense of the word, a nemesis is a personal, archenemy. He does not have to be permanent. Moriarty became Holmes's nemesis after his death, after all. And nobody would even dare to say he was not nemesis. Blofeld was present in three Bond novels, more than any other of Bond's adversaries, apart from SMERSH, which could also be considered a nemesis of sort.

    If Blofeld does not qualify as a nemesis, then Moriarty does not either, neither does say Khan.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    @Risico007 it's only risky to those who hedge their hopes, dreams, and expectations on rumors, and not facts :)....... and i doubt EON are screwing with audiences when they hire big name actors to come aboard.. i couldn't see them stirring up a bunch of Blofeld conjecture just to ruse the masses - the only ones doing that are the media by cranking the handle on the ol' rumor mill lol.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Khan was never really Kirk's nemesis either. He was a one off villain in Star Trek the original series. Then 15 years later shows up because of the convenience of the USS reliant mistaking Ceti Alpha 5 for Ceti Alpha 6. When Khan took it over he went looking for Kirk for revenge. Kirk was never thinking about him until he saw him on the view screen. Khan's an iconic villain, but he was never Kirk's Moriarty or Blofeld.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Khan was never really Kirk's nemesis either. He was a one off villain in Star Trek the original series. Then 15 years later shows up because of the convenience of the USS reliant mistaking Ceti Alpha 5 for Ceti Alpha 6. When Khan took it over he went looking for Kirk for revenge. Kirk was never thinking about him until he saw him on the view screen. Khan's an iconic villain, but he was never Kirk's Moriarty or Blofeld.

    Khan was promoted into Kirk's nemesis with the movie Star Trek. Maybe to be more precise I should say that Kirk was Khan's nemesis, but even then, when someone comes back to haunt you after fifteen years, he's your nemesis, plain and simple. There are different kinds of nemesis. Moriarty was invented as the ultimate enemy for Holmes just so Holmes could be killed.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Khan was never really Kirk's nemesis either. He was a one off villain in Star Trek the original series. Then 15 years later shows up because of the convenience of the USS reliant mistaking Ceti Alpha 5 for Ceti Alpha 6. When Khan took it over he went looking for Kirk for revenge. Kirk was never thinking about him until he saw him on the view screen. Khan's an iconic villain, but he was never Kirk's Moriarty or Blofeld.

    Khan was promoted into Kirk's nemesis with the movie Star Trek. Maybe to be more precise I should say that Kirk was Khan's nemesis, but even then, when someone comes back to haunt you after fifteen years, he's your nemesis, plain and simple. There are different kinds of nemesis. Moriarty was invented as the ultimate enemy for Holmes just so Holmes could be killed.

    Not necessarily. If someone I had a school fight with showed up 15 years later to harass me that doesn't make him my nemesis. He'd be more like an inconvenience.
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    when have Eon ever failed to deliver the finished film on time for the slated release date?
    I'm not taking sides here mind you, but QoS was pushed back several months. Originally it was set for release May 2nd 2008.
    HASEROT wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Moreover, I think here it becomes quite clear that from a quality perspective, Bond is superior to M:I.
    (...)
    One last thing, as a film I found SF miles better than M:I 4. Perhaps we "nitpicking fans" think differently, but at least out there that's the case.
    "Miles better?"
    SF: 92% on Rottentomatoes, 7,8 on IMDB
    MI:4 93% on Rottentomatoes, 7,4 on IMDB
    throw around as many numbers as you want - you're never going to win an argument over personal taste - art is subjective.. and all those number reflect are people's opinions..
    Huh? I am not trying to "win" any arguments. I am just presenting some facts. And the fact is that SF isn't regarded "miles better than MI:4", like GG argued, by either the american reviewers or worldwide users of IMDB.
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