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  • http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/alan-cumming-michelle-williams-to-star-in-cabaret-revival-from-sam-mendes-and-rob-marshall/

    Mendes will direct a revival of 'Caberet' before taking on Bond 24 next year. It's to star Michelle Williams.

    She could definetly play the female lead in the next Bond.

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  • edited September 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Murdock wrote:
    I had no problem with the cuff adjustment. It was just as Brosnan's tie Straightening after the Tank Chase in GoldenEye. It's the same as bashing his fight stance in the Komodo dragon fight. "Ooooo Craig is putting up his dukes! That's totally a Roger Moore thing!!! Whine whine!"

    I'd say the Komodo dragon fight was very Roger Moore. One of the few poor moments in SF for me. In a Moore or maybe Brosnan flick it'd work but it felt out of place in SF. There was also no sense of danger at all and two one liners in a row? None of them were even particularly good.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    That fight in the pit would have been so much better if we got an actual fight instead of 2 punches and a body slam. Imagine, we could have had the sort of gritty intense brutalness of the Obanno stair way fight or the Slate fight in that enclosed pit with Komodo dragons. Now, that's what u call a wasted opportunity.

    As for the quip, Bond should have just said the put it on red line and then as he walks off, Mendes should have yelled cut! And then we get the next scene.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 3,494
    I don't much care for Michelle Williams, and that is a lousy haircut.

    I also thought the KD fight smacked of Moore, but I enjoyed it more for Craig's delivery of the "good luck with that", which I thought was well done. The fight though was much too short and obviously the whole thing was meant for laughs. I also liked the "circle of life" quip but it did feel a little bit tacked on to use two of them there. "Put it all on red" I thought meant there will be blood as well as being a roulette reference.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    doubleoego wrote:
    That fight in the pit would have been so much better if we got an actual fight instead of 2 punches and a body slam. Imagine, we could have had the sort of gritty intense brutalness of the Obanno stair way fight or the Slate fight in that enclosed pit with Komodo dragons. Now, that's what u call a wasted opportunity.

    As for the quip, Bond should have just said the put it on red line and then as he walks off, Mendes should have yelled cut! And then we get the next scene.

    I agree. The scene was just incredibly comedic for me, and it made me question where Craig's brutality seemed to disappear to.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote:
    I had no problem with the cuff adjustment. It was just as Brosnan's tie Straightening after the Tank Chase in GoldenEye. It's the same as bashing his fight stance in the Komodo dragon fight. "Ooooo Craig is putting up his dukes! That's totally a Roger Moore thing!!! Whine whine!"

    I'd say the Komodo dragon fight was very Roger Moore. One of the few poor moments in SF for me. In a Moore or maybe Brosnan flick it'd work but it felt out of place in SF. There was also no sense of danger at all and two one liners in a row? None of them were even particularly good.

    That's what he gets for wearing too tight a tux. :))
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    doubleoego wrote:
    That fight in the pit would have been so much better if we got an actual fight instead of 2 punches and a body slam. Imagine, we could have had the sort of gritty intense brutalness of the Obanno stair way fight or the Slate fight in that enclosed pit with Komodo dragons. Now, that's what u call a wasted opportunity.

    I couldn't agree more. That scene just felt lazy to me.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    doubleoego wrote:
    That fight in the pit would have been so much better if we got an actual fight instead of 2 punches and a body slam. Imagine, we could have had the sort of gritty intense brutalness of the Obanno stair way fight or the Slate fight in that enclosed pit with Komodo dragons. Now, that's what u call a wasted opportunity.

    I couldn't agree more. That scene just felt lazy to me.

    It was just goofy in that Bond decides to ignore the hulking man coming at him to point in awe and amazement at the dragon. We went from a brutal Bond to an even more brutal Bond (CR to QoS), and then back to a funny fighter, of sorts. The train fight scene wasn't too bad, and I loved the Shanghai fight scene.

    I remember when I had Silva's death spoiled for me, and all I heard was "he dies by a knife," I got so excited because I thought he and Bond would have a big knife fight.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    We went from a brutal Bond to an even more brutal Bond (CR to QoS), and then back to a funny fighter, of sorts.

    Because of this, it almost feels like Bond in SF is a completely different character than he was in CR and QOS. I perceive a large disconnect in character continuity between QOS and SF.
    Creasy47 wrote:
    The train fight scene wasn't too bad, and I loved the Shanghai fight scene.

    The Shanghai fight was cool. It didn't feel as brutal as CR and QOS but it was beautifully choreographed and filmed.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Because of this, it almost feels like Bond in SF is a completely different character than he was in CR and QOS. I perceive a large disconnect in character continuity between QOS and SF.
    I think that he is a different character in SF but not a completely different one. His "death" allowed him some much needed time off to step away from the job and think about what he really wanted to do with his life. When he returned he was a different man. He also had to learn to fight differently because of his injury.
    I'm not really defending the dragon scene in particular but I think there has been great character growth from Bond since CR.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    Creasy47 wrote:
    We went from a brutal Bond to an even more brutal Bond (CR to QoS), and then back to a funny fighter, of sorts.

    Because of this, it almost feels like Bond in SF is a completely different character than he was in CR and QOS. I perceive a large disconnect in character continuity between QOS and SF.

    Creasy47 wrote:
    The train fight scene wasn't too bad, and I loved the Shanghai fight scene.

    The Shanghai fight was cool. It didn't feel as brutal as CR and QOS but it was beautifully choreographed and filmed.

    I agree, the character continuity was way off in this corny casino fight scene. A lack of character continuity bothers me a lot. This casino scene (except for the odd bit) is by far the worst part of Skyfall. Everything else is done so well. You could compare it to the magic carpet ride in TLD (although this is even more of an example of being out of character) had it actually been included in the film. Luckily they had the sense to cut it out as this is obviously Moore's Bond not Dalton's. They need to work on the humour in Bond films. They must ask themselves, what kind of humour is right for this particular James Bond? Daniel Craig is desperate to be funnier as I don't think he wants to be remembered as a humourless Bond but he, the director and writer needs to think about the brand of humour that is appropriate for him. Most people have liked Craig from the beginning. They don't have to turn him into a comedian and just go over the top with it. They sometimes have a problem exercising restraint. They got it pretty much bang on in Casino Royale although part of those initial conversations between Bond and Vesper, on the train and in the taxi, didn't feel entirely natural to me.

    I don't know why some say that it was alright for Craig to adjust his cuff when Brosnan would adjust his tie underwater etc. Craig is not a Brosnan or Moore Bond albeit he was somewhat portrayed as one in part of that casino scene. These are irrelevant comparisons.

    The Shanghai fight scene was wonderful.

    You know, it's like Mendes fell asleep during that casino scene or something. And yes, I also think that the scene should have cut after the "put it all on red" line.

    Didn't like the "good luck with that" line much. I think that it would have been much more effective had Craig just smiled knowingly when the guy was about to fire his gun.

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    I've changed the title to reflect this recent conversation on continuity.

    Things like:

    Quantum's return
    Cast returning
    Crew returning
    How much humor/camp is too much
    Character focus


    etc.
  • Bounine wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    We went from a brutal Bond to an even more brutal Bond (CR to QoS), and then back to a funny fighter, of sorts.

    Because of this, it almost feels like Bond in SF is a completely different character than he was in CR and QOS. I perceive a large disconnect in character continuity between QOS and SF.

    Creasy47 wrote:
    The train fight scene wasn't too bad, and I loved the Shanghai fight scene.

    The Shanghai fight was cool. It didn't feel as brutal as CR and QOS but it was beautifully choreographed and filmed.

    I agree, the character continuity was way off in this corny casino fight scene. A lack of character continuity bothers me a lot. This casino scene (except for the odd bit) is by far the worst part of Skyfall. Everything else is done so well. You could compare it to the magic carpet ride in TLD had it actually been included in the film. Luckily they had the sense to cut it out. They need to work on the humour in Bond films. They must ask themselves, what kind of humour is right for this particular James Bond? Daniel Craig is desperate to be funnier as I don't think he wants to be remembered as a humourless Bond but he, the director and writer needs to think about the brand of humour that is appropriate for him.

    I don't know why some say that it was alright for Craig to adjust his cuff when Brosnan would adjust his tie underwater etc. Craig is not a Brosnan or Moore Bond albeit he was somewhat portrayed as one in part of that casino scene. So, there shouldn't be any comparisons.

    The Shanghai fight scene was wonderful.

    You know, it's like Mendes fell asleep during that casino scene or something. And yes, I also think that the scene should have cut after the "put it all on red" line.

    Didn't like the "good luck with that" line much. I think that it would have been much more effective had Craig just smiled knowingly when the guy was about to fire his gun.

    When it comes to good camp and bad camp, it was far more acceptable for most of us who previously commented elsewhere on your conjecture that Craig's moment was not nearly as out of place in the context of the film. A little levity, that's all. Not unusual for a Bond film in any era. The Brosnan bit, these scenes more normal for his era, was just too out of place as he was doing considerably more than walking. Since you're now just addressing this, I can't help you out any more than that if you can't or won't see the difference.

    I think a character disconnect as mentioned was to be expected. It seems like some of you must have thought we would continue to keep seeing the brutal fighter of CR/QOS that too often wound up killing leads as a result. And yet, you missed the point of the end of QOS that Craig Bond had "grown" and learned to measure his level of aggression and emotional responses.

    I get why some feel the casino fight scene in the actual pit was a bit alien. But I certainly hope you all realize the rest of the scene between Bond's arrival and the meeting of Bond and Severine past locking eyes for a moment in Shanghai, was absolutely one of the best parts of the entire film in both dialogue and performance between two actors who obviously shared a chemistry too often missing in other films during the history of the series. Cinema magic :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I couldn't have said it better myself, Sir Henry. It may be strange to some to have a Bond era where there is actual *gasp* character development again. ;)
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    Bounine wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    We went from a brutal Bond to an even more brutal Bond (CR to QoS), and then back to a funny fighter, of sorts.

    Because of this, it almost feels like Bond in SF is a completely different character than he was in CR and QOS. I perceive a large disconnect in character continuity between QOS and SF.

    Creasy47 wrote:
    The train fight scene wasn't too bad, and I loved the Shanghai fight scene.

    The Shanghai fight was cool. It didn't feel as brutal as CR and QOS but it was beautifully choreographed and filmed.

    I agree, the character continuity was way off in this corny casino fight scene. A lack of character continuity bothers me a lot. This casino scene (except for the odd bit) is by far the worst part of Skyfall. Everything else is done so well. You could compare it to the magic carpet ride in TLD had it actually been included in the film. Luckily they had the sense to cut it out. They need to work on the humour in Bond films. They must ask themselves, what kind of humour is right for this particular James Bond? Daniel Craig is desperate to be funnier as I don't think he wants to be remembered as a humourless Bond but he, the director and writer needs to think about the brand of humour that is appropriate for him.

    I don't know why some say that it was alright for Craig to adjust his cuff when Brosnan would adjust his tie underwater etc. Craig is not a Brosnan or Moore Bond albeit he was somewhat portrayed as one in part of that casino scene. So, there shouldn't be any comparisons.

    The Shanghai fight scene was wonderful.

    You know, it's like Mendes fell asleep during that casino scene or something. And yes, I also think that the scene should have cut after the "put it all on red" line.

    Didn't like the "good luck with that" line much. I think that it would have been much more effective had Craig just smiled knowingly when the guy was about to fire his gun.

    When it comes to good camp and bad camp, it was far more acceptable for most of us who previously commented elsewhere on your conjecture that Craig's moment was not nearly as out of place in the context of the film. A little levity, that's all. Not unusual for a Bond film in any era. The Brosnan bit, these scenes more normal for his era, was just too out of place as he was doing considerably more than walking. Since you're now just addressing this, I can't help you out any more than that if you can't or won't see the difference.

    I think a character disconnect as mentioned was to be expected. It seems like some of you must have thought we would continue to keep seeing the brutal fighter of CR/QOS that too often wound up killing leads as a result. And yet, you missed the point of the end of QOS that Craig Bond had "grown" and learned to measure his level of aggression and emotional responses.

    I get why some feel the casino fight scene in the actual pit was a bit alien. But I certainly hope you all realize the rest of the scene between Bond's arrival and the meeting of Bond and Severine past locking eyes for a moment in Shanghai, was absolutely one of the best parts of the entire film in both dialogue and performance between two actors who obviously shared a chemistry too often missing in other films during the history of the series. Cinema magic :)

    Sure, Craig has grown and learned to control his level of aggression but that doesn't mean that one has to resort to Mooresque/Brosnansque scenes. There are many different ways to develop one's character. I have been expressing my desire for further and good character movement on these forums for a long time through the horrible Brosnan era. Sorry, but for me, Skyfall is a good film but certainly not perfect. If some wish to believe it is though, then good for them.

    The scene between Craig and Severine was pretty good except for that cheesy line: "not like this, not like him" LOL.

  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    Murdock wrote:
    I had no problem with the cuff adjustment. It was just as Brosnan's tie Straightening after the Tank Chase in GoldenEye. It's the same as bashing his fight stance in the Komodo dragon fight. "Ooooo Craig is putting up his dukes! That's totally a Roger Moore thing!!! Whine whine!"

    Who's whining? I don't think that there is one film out there that is actually perfect. So, it's only natural on froums like this to talk about what one thinks could have been done differently. Big or small, what's the difference? We all have different opinions.

    Some people act like their mother is being insulted or something when Skyfall is criticised for something. LOL.

  • Bounine wrote:

    Sure, Craig has grown and learned to control his level of aggression but that doesn't mean that one has to resort to Mooresque/Brosnansque scenes. There are many different ways to develop one's character. I have been expressing my desire for further and good character movement on these forums for a long time through the horrible Brosnan era. Sorry, but for me, Skyfall is a good film but certainly not perfect. If some wish to believe it is though, then good for them.

    The scene between Craig and Severine was pretty good except for that cheesy line: "not like this, not like him" LOL.

    I hope you didn't think I was one of those mindless "SF can do no wrong" supporters. I've been vocal in saying for me it was very entertaining, a 7-10 in rank entry, but far from perfect and with it's share of flaws for sure.

    I'll disagree with your assessment of Severine's line being cheesy. Cheesy in this era is "you've stripped my armor from me". Cheesy is cheap, trite, and in it's truest definition, blatantly unauthentic. The way Marlohe shows her character's fear, her hand shaking when she takes a drag from her cigarette as the subject of Silva comes up, seems anything but blatantly unauthentic. If you see it as cheap and trite, so be it, but I think the performance overrides the complaint and makes the line work. What would you have written in it's place?
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    No, I don't think you're one of them.

    Her performance is well executed but I don't like the line "not like this, not like him". In fact I think that it would have sounded less cheesy had she said it in a more comedic manner but then such a tone may not have really harmonised with the fact that she was scared. Although, one could argue that she was trying to hide her fear by being comedic. She was playing with Bond a bit anyway. A tactic to avoid her fear.

    All there is? Fear, as Silva (or "he") will show you, is a sensation which will never afford you the luxury of becoming jaded Mr. Bond.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Bounine wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I had no problem with the cuff adjustment. It was just as Brosnan's tie Straightening after the Tank Chase in GoldenEye. It's the same as bashing his fight stance in the Komodo dragon fight. "Ooooo Craig is putting up his dukes! That's totally a Roger Moore thing!!! Whine whine!"

    Who's whining? I don't think that there is one film out there that is actually perfect. So, it's only natural on froums like this to talk about what one thinks could have been done differently. Big or small, what's the difference? We all have different opinions.

    Some people act like their mother is being insulted or something when Skyfall is criticised for something. LOL.

    I never said anyone was whining. I was just doing an imitation of someone who takes something way to seriously. I wasn't generalizing anyone on the forum I assure you. Just having a little fun. lol.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    It's nice to take certain films more seriously. Based on what Eon and co. have said in interviews about the Craig Bond flicks, it seems like Eon want the audience to do just that. Obviously one can't take the plots and certain action scenes seriously in any of the Bond films but what I do take seriously is character consistency. I don't like it when someone like Craig's Bond, who plays the character in a darker more serious fashion like Dalton did, resorts to actions that to me seem closer to something Roger Moore would do.

    In that casino fight scene especially, it seemed to me like they got a bit sloppy.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I think the fight was just a setup to have the badguy pick up the fingerprint gun and look stupid when he tried using it. Granted the only parts of the Casino scene I liked were the reference to Casino Royale and Bond meeting Severine.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2013 Posts: 13,355
    Ant-Man has moved off of Bond's turf in the USA. The film, which was scheduled for release the same day as Bond 24 on 6th November 2015, is now set to be seen on 31st July the same year, just over three months earlier.

    The only other competition for Bond on it's release date is family film Peanuts, which it will crush like a peanut, in a little over two years time.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Ant-Man has moved off of Bond's turf in the USA. The film, which was scheduled for release the same day as Bond 24 on 6th November 2015, is now set to be seen on 31st July the same year, just over three months earlier.

    The only other competition for Bond on it's release date is family film Peanuts, which it will crush like a peanut, in a little over two years time.

    Absolutely. This is good news. Now let's hope that nothing else big is planned for the same date. Bring on November.

    My girlfriend asked me the other day, "Hey, the next James Bond movie comes out next year, right?" I immediately frowned.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2013 Posts: 13,355
    It's Bond's date. Nothing will get in the way. Plus the week after, the 13th, is still free.

    It's funny you mention that. I was asked only yesterday by my Dad, when is the next Bond film coming out and when I said 2015, he said he thought so, as if it was next year, he thought they'd be getting ready to start by now. On the ball! Sadly we're a year away from that but that time will fly by no doubt. I'll enjoy the here and now in the meantime.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Samuel001, that's true. And in reality, we don't have much to look forward to for another year, so it'll fly by since we aren't waiting for that new production still or another teaser. It should pass with the snap of a finger.
  • Given how successful SF was, no studio now will risk putting any big film up against Bond 24.

    Good news all round.
  • Oh that's good news even though I highly doubt there would be a film that would challenge Bond 24 in Nov. 2015; no sane big studio will risk sharing the box office with Bond. Ant Man seem pretty interesting though.
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    rumor is Star Wars Episode 7 will pop up in November Hoping not though
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    Don't really know much about Ant man to be honest? I have seen a synopsis about it, but that's about it? Interesting to see Disney back away and move their film by 3 months though!
  • Risico007 wrote:
    rumor is Star Wars Episode 7 will pop up in November Hoping not though

    Hmmm. Star Wars is a big franchise, so is Bond. I'm not sure in America, but in my country, Episode 7 will be bigger than Bond if the 2 movies will share the same month of release; here, moviegoers love family-friendly, effects-rich, big blockbusters. I'm pretty sure Bond will reign supreme in the UK though.
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