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I'm sorry to say this, but I do think your personal taste surfaces the discussion here a bit @RC7. We're still talking about James Bond movies here, not city travel documentaries. Locations and its locale and possible weather influences in the film are being chosen based on script ideas and intense brainstorm sessions.
So obviously the crew of the Bond films have perfect imagination for all these wonderful locations. Their choice is just a different kind of imagination than the imagination you have about the film. So calling this clichéd is in my opinion a bit farfetched. Especially since we don't even know yet how Rome will look like on screen.
In my humble opinion this criticism is most likely not even touching possible flaws of the upcoming Bond film. And will perhaps, like now with "Skyfall", only surface after 2 years time of over-analyzing the upcoming Bond film. I don't want to call this kind of criticism "nitpicking", because I think every kind of criticism is valuable. Still, I find this kind of criticism a bit premature.
Capturing "a genuine feel" is also something very subjective. For "Skyfall" they needed a very specific look and feel for the film, that in my opinion completely worked: Showing London in a dreary, grey-ish realism, opposed to a London with frontal sunlit Big Ben, London Eye and that insane new skyscraper. So IMO this is not a case of clichéd choices and lack of imagination.
Same with Austria. We have been talking for months how great we found the choice by EON to go back to the snow (without even having seen one single shot from a teaser, but that's besides the point). And now we talk about clichés with regard to Austria. Well, if there's something the recent Bond films did right, then it was showing locations in a less stereotypical way. Instead we got a more refined and re-invented approach of location choices.
And if they need to show a backlot in Rome (similar to 007 in Harlem, being threatened by two black henchmen in "LALD") where graffiti and dirt is needed, then they will do it and most likely not clean those parts of the city. But then I wonder....why going to Rome for that?
They are luckily not showing Cuba with this "DAD"-approach anymore.
Get back to me when you've read my comments properly. I'm offering my opinion, what the film makers do is up to them and I don't need to be lectured on the processes of film making. I get paid for it.
Just my two cents... I thought London just looked like London in SF. I don't live there but I visit a lot so take my opinion for what its worth.
As an audience member the use of the location served the story.
Just saying :)
It looked like the London it presented, which it presented beautifully and it was a good tonal fit. For me it would have been nice to see 'the other side of the street' so to speak. Something to counter-balance the Whitehall heavy feel. It was a shame they went to Deptford for the DB5 and didn't really show the area. It didn't even have to be shot at night, they could have had Bond arrive during the day, or dusk. Perhaps he strolls into a random shop or greasy spoon on the Deptford high street where a shop keeper/proprietor escorts both him and 'M' to a dingy lock up at the rear. We then see Bond crawling through the market along the high street at 5mph. 'M' bemused by the gawping onlookers.
The same with the new MI6. It would have been nice to see it situated in yet another area of London. As it is they might as well have shot the DB5 Deptford scenes on the pinewood lot, which provides similar narrow roads, as used in GF.
I guess my point is, I hope with Rome they show a good spectrum of the city. If of course the script calls for that. It's always fun to see things you don't expect in a Bond film, especially in this era of films.
Even if the world is much more accessible these days and Bond is no longer the same travel eye-opener like in the early films, there's still things I expect from any Bond movie. Personally, having been to Rome, I'd rather see the beauty, glamour and sophistication of the city during the car chase and villa scenes etc. With the chase at night, I think it already offers something unique and a new perspective of the city.
http://www.non-stop-people.com/actu/cinema/monica-bellucci-plus-vieille-james-bond-girl-de-lhistoire-cest-un-beau-compliment-pour
I read this in detail. And I fully disagree @RC7. I think it was not "picture postcard" at all. And I think it is entirely subjective if you say "they didn't really capture the genuine feel of the place". What is that anyway? And how would you have shot London then instead?
Regarding the graffiti, please then also read the articles properly: http://007travelers.blogspot.com.es/2015/02/the-conditions-of-spectre-locations-in.html . There is no sign at all whatsoever that EON Productions demanded the city of Rome to clean the entire city. It was an issue that was mentioned by the "Basta Cartelloni", a Roman lobby group who tries, by democratic means, to keep the city clean. Now one can easily say "why not show the city as it is?". Well, in all honesty, these protest groups are also "the city as it is". Rome is, like every big capital, a city with left wing people or right wing people, with graffiti artists, but also people who want to have rules for graffiti. Thát is Rome. So I don't care so much if, accidentally and without the help of EON, Rome looks clean or Rome looks dirty. Whatever happens....it is Rome.
Also, I think certain people start overreacting (especially the showbizz media, because let's not forget that filming news about "SPECTRE" doesn't exactly arrive in the Economics or Politics section). While the actual news about the "Graffiti problems" comes from a bunch of overconcerned Romans...and why these Romans want to have the city clean and tidy before the "SPECTRE"-crew arrives, you start making a link to actual decisions made by crew and production team for "Skyfall". That's a bit weird I think. Moreover, the "Basta Cartelloni" actually mentioned that the Roman city council has no plans cleaning it. Are we deliberately forgetting that fact?
And it's wunderful that you get paid really. But to imply that my previous comment was that of a guy who thinks he knows what's best for filmmaking without properly reading, actually shows that you as well didn't read what I said. I was merely saying that I disagree with what you think is the best way of showing off a city in a film. You don't need to be a paid filmmaker for saying that I think.
Thanks @Pierce2Daniel :-). Sadly she didn't say anything about her role, and if her role will be "good" or "villainous". I'm starting to think that Monica Belluci could be the real, new lover of James Bond...instead of my previous thoughts that she could be a Rosa Klebb-esque character. Because now there is British actress Brigitta Millar.
She is always a pleasure to read/listen to.
I think this topic might answer some of your questions :-):
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/10419/spectre-shooting-schedule-update-03-02-2015-may-contain-spoilers#latest
End of June - Morocco
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(Coleccion 007 James Bond Mexico)
With all the stuff going on in Mexico with a huge amount of extras, we may have a contender ;-)
In AVTAK, during the Paris Suivez ce parachute scene, they put a few bikes here and there, because well, Paris, bikes, etc..
Except that we see a bike right in the middle of a huge stair, that's totally nonsensical !
For the anecdote, Remy Julienne had proposed to do a jump over a bridge in the chase, but they decided to use the real location the most they could, and since there was no way to do the stunt there (no adequate bridge), they scrapped the idea. So they ask him to do something on the "real" location, but he could put someone loading a boat there, while it would never happen in reality.
Also, the geography of the chase is a bit less "totally false" than usual for movies (ie : the Bourne chase or the Ronin chase has the car going instantly from one distant place to another, while the AVTAK chase is really all along the Seine on a small section)
Excellent news Marketto!!! Thanks for the heads up!!! :-bd
I must be honest.....lately I've become more and more excited about "SPECTRE". I'm following every aspect of the filming of this Bond film so closely......
One question I have though. What will the running time of the movie be? Does anyone knows it? 107 min's? 145 min's?
http://www.jamesbondbrasil.com/2015/02/fotos-das-gravacoes-de-spectre-em-kartitsch-austria/
Wow :-D! Like I said in the shooting schedule.....there will be one "heck of a crowd on the piste" (Roger Moore in "AVTAK") 8-}.
So basically, this turns out to be a combined aerial/car chase. A bit like OHMSS's car stock chase versus airplane chase, where Bond is chasing the basterds :-P. But, we haven't even seen the inclusion of skidoos yet. And there's a huge part of the chase that will be filmed inside tunnels (a la PTS QOS, but hopefully better editing!).
What I DO like about this action sequence so far, is the fact that it's not part of the PTS.
I love the fact that.....this action sequence is shaping up to be a very original one. One that is perhaps using aspects from previous Bond films, but that certainly is not an exact copy of previous Bond films. It seems this action sequence joyfully blends several well-known Bond aspects of previous action sequences into a new, unique, original end result that can not be found in its edited totality in previous Bond films! Love it!:
--> There is most likely an aerial chase part, in which we see wunderful shots of the Alps (OHMSS, pts FYEO, helicopter chase YOLT).
--> There's a car chase part, in which those Range Rovers are obviously chased by Bond....through tunnels perhaps (pts QOS).
--> There's a part where the whole "shabang" (airplane, cars) sleighs/drives of an entire ski slope (cello-chase TLD, car stock chase OHMSS).
--> There could be several skiing extras in it.
--> And we don't even know when the skidoos will be used.
And the fun part of this all is, that in the film it will most likely be sooo supersmoothly edited, that this action sequence will go down in history like a memorable one, a long one (perhaps more than 8 mins, like the PTS from Skyfall), but NOT being part of the PTS.
And on top of that, another major action sequence in Rome (the real car chase), will also not take place during the PTS. This is such wunderful news. It shows that Sam Mendes and crew really want to balance the "fun action" in this film, by not putting all the typical Bond-esque action in the PTS.
One question I have then: Will my suspicions be right that the "SPECTRE" PTS will actually be very understated, with not that much action, but at least a lot of Hitchcock-ian "spying" ? I would really loveeee that approach..... A bit like those other rare, more understated PTS sequences from "FRWL", "GF", "LALD", "TMWTGG" and "CR"?
I'd love a PTS lower on action.
Very true, I was surprised by the geography of the chase when I first visited Paris. I love that scene.
I hope you're right about the editing of the action. Fortunately Mendes has proven that his approach to editing action is more traditional in that we can see wtf is going on, however, with a new editor working on this I hope the visibly clear editing of action can still be maintained.
As for the PTS, I hope we also get something "Hitchcockian" something understated ala FRWL's PTS.