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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    More Moneypenny is to be expected and I'm OK with that as long as the screen time is kept short in the scenes in which she helps Bond out.
  • StrelikStrelik Spectre Island
    edited September 2013 Posts: 108
    Anyway, I think this is pure gossip. MP had her chance to be Bond's sidekick at the start of SF. She implied fieldwork is not for her at the end of SF.
    I believe there is some truth in the rumor. Sam Mendes himself implied in his interview with Paul Greengrass that he views Moneypenny as more of a field agent in future films. As Mendes has now returned as director of Bond 24, he likely communicated that sentiment to screenwriter John Logan.

    In short, Baz's article is the second time we've heard rumblings that Moneypenny will not be desk-bound clerk, but more of a field agent and/or action side-kick in Bond 24.
  • Shardlake wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    Bounine wrote:

    Maybe Eon will put Bond back in space to compete with the new Star Wars Flick. Moonraker Part 2! Bond meets Drax's son! ;)

    i didn't mean extravagant in that manner eh. if that's the case I hoped Daniel Craig took cues from Harrison Ford (Han Solo) when they did Cowboys & Aliens :P

    Part of the reason I prefer Casino Royale over Skyfall is because the former is more extravagant. CR also has the right balance of humour and they opted to leave out the corny one liners. Thank god for Martin Campbell!

    I'm a big fan of CR but free of corny lines, seriously there is nothing as bad in SF as that little finger line or for instance that gratuitous omega plug.

    I think we are forgetting the stinkers CR had, personally I think the SF screenplay was a step up and is the best written film of the Craig era.

    I know SF wasn't perfect we'll likely never get a perfect entry but it hit more than it missed, I really don't see the problem with all the casino sequence, the Severine exchange is one of the best parts of the film and the Craig era full stop, yes one too many one liners at the end but for me Craig played a blinder and no I don't mind the Moore tribute. Do we just want a dour action thriller or do we want some colour in Bond again, SF for me showed that DC can inject a little of the heritage back into the series and look forward to something more fun the next time round, I certainly don't want QOS 2.

    I wholeheartedly agree.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    To be honest, I like seeing Moneypenny doing something new and different instead of the usual office banter.
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    If MP is to have more screen time? Does that mean no good Bond girl? Just the villains leading lady? Would that put other actresses off applying for a part?
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    To be honest, I like seeing Moneypenny doing something new and different instead of the usual office banter.

    I don't see the point. By all means have a female operative who works alongside Bond in multiple movies, but have the balls to create the character from the ground up. Altering the MP character after 50 years doesn't appeal to me, it's just meddling for the sake of it. They should take a chance and branch out.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2013 Posts: 13,355
    So what will M do with his secretary flying all over the world after Bond? Again, here's hoping it's just as much screen time as before. I doubt she'll become a central character, after all there is a story to tell.
    For every 'scoop' he gets right, there are probably a dozen or more that he gets wrong.

    What were they? I bet they are few and far between. Especially when it comes to 007.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    To be honest, I like seeing Moneypenny doing something new and different instead of the usual office banter.

    I don't see the point. By all means have a female operative who works alongside Bond in multiple movies, but have the balls to create the character from the ground up. Altering the MP character after 50 years doesn't appeal to me, it's just meddling for the sake of it. They should take a chance and branch out.

    Don't forget it's a Reboot. Nothing would be exactly the same.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    They shouldn't use a 'reboot' as an excuse to alter things. I'm open minded about this and for all we know it'll be less screen time than last time. The film needs a central female character, so Moneypenny can't be tagging along with her and Bond for the entire film.
  • RC7RC7
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    Murdock wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    To be honest, I like seeing Moneypenny doing something new and different instead of the usual office banter.

    I don't see the point. By all means have a female operative who works alongside Bond in multiple movies, but have the balls to create the character from the ground up. Altering the MP character after 50 years doesn't appeal to me, it's just meddling for the sake of it. They should take a chance and branch out.

    Don't forget it's a Reboot. Nothing would be exactly the same.

    That's my point. If it's a reboot, start afresh. Don't rework MP. Introduce Gala Brand as a recurring agent, or something to that effect.
  • For every 'scoop' he gets right, there are probably a dozen or more that he gets wrong.
    Samuel001 wrote:
    What were they? I bet they are few and far between. Especially when it comes to 007.

    I'm generalising, not necessarily just referring to Bond. Don't forget his job is to report the "showbiz gossip". That's all it is, gossip. I'll wait until production is underway and I've heard it from the horses mouth before I believe stories that pop up in the tabloids.
  • RC7RC7
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    I'll wait until production is underway and I've heard it from the horses mouth before I believe stories that pop up in the tabloids.

    Ditto.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2013 Posts: 13,355
    I understand but going by Baz's Bond record, which is what I'm talking about, there's a good chance of what he reports holding some weight. Comments by others also back this 'news' up. I wouldn't shoot him down just yet, as has been said, he's very close to the team on all things Bond.

    You don't want to be one of those 'Harris is not Moneypenny' people, denying it until you've seen the film yourself, like there were last time.
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    A new Bond rumor cool... I am ok with that so long as the writing is good and the situation calls for it skyfall felt a little forced with Moneypenny popping up not gonna lie.
  • ^ Is this the same Baz Bamigboye who revealed "informal talks" were ongoing between EON and Christopher Nolan and his people, only then for Sam Mendes to be confirmed to helm Bond 24 a short time after? Don't believe every news story you read.
    The irony is that if EON indeed talked with Nolan during the time in which Mendes was not confirmed, it's another piece of truth ! We'll never know for sure until quite some time, and maybe never will. Your rebuttal of Bamigboye would be more effective if you listed pieces of news about Skyfall he wrote that turned out to be dead wrong !

    Having Bond part of a team in the field would be in the zeitgeist of blockbusters these days. Also, others have reminded about what Mendes said in the past, and I'll remind one thing more : Mendes says Kinnear is not used enough in the movies. And Tanner is already a desk-bounded character so somehow it would not be surprising for Mendes to avoid Tanner and Moneypenny to be always in the same places. Now, will M be in the field again ? :)

  • RC7RC7
    edited September 2013 Posts: 10,512
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I wouldn't shoot him down just yet, as has been said, he's very close to the team on all things Bond.

    You don't want to be one of those 'Harris is not Moneypenny' people, denying it until you've seen the film yourself, like there were last time.

    I think the point is, and I can only speak for myself, there's little point caring until it's official. It's clearly good for debate but I'd rather be in the 'I'll believe it when I see it' camp, than the 'I told you! Even though I actually had no idea and could've been championing a load of baseless horse shit' camp.

  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    I´m for Gala Brand or Mary Goodnight as field agents, much better than take Moneypenny´s out from M´s office !!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2013 Posts: 13,355
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix? We need the next film to have less cutting back to London. We're on the adventure with Bond and then taken out of it. The MI6 staff should only be supporting characters and used as such. I don't mean to sound down but this could be one area of Bond that will be kept in the films for a while.
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    JWEST, In case it's Bond vs Star Wars, why did you choose "Round II" ?
    If you consider it's on the same day of release, it will be the first time.
    if you consider its on the same year, it will the the fifth time (TSWLM, OP, TWINE, DAD before)

    The smaller gap was ROTJ vs OP two weeks later in the US. This way "Round II" looks acceptable though...

    If you are superstitious, it's a good sign : worldwide, ROTJ was #1 and OP was #2 that year (forget all this nonsense about Moore being the low box office point of the Bonds, it's quite the contrary)


    I was referring to the obvious impact Star Wars had on Moonraker; I see your point. Expect a title change.
  • Posts: 5,745
    I'm undecided on the 'more Moneypenny in action' rumors.

    Maybe she'll accompany M into 'the field' in a similar way M and Moneypenny started showing up and setting up office everywhere Moore's Bond went. Perhaps they're at a MI6 safehouse and its attacked, a la The Living Daylights, and Moneypenny springs into action. Though I do think it's too soon after the perfect 'Inquiry' scene in SF.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    "I'm a big fan of CR but free of corny lines, seriously there is nothing as bad in SF as that little finger line or for instance that gratuitous omega plug.

    I think we are forgetting the stinkers CR had, personally I think the SF screenplay was a step up and is the best written film of the Craig era."


    Yeah, there were certainly stinkers in CR too. That Omega "plug" is horrible. Overall, I think the dialogue in SF is better than it is in CR but in terms of the humour, I prefer it in CR. To give another example: "latest thing from Q branch. It's called a radio." Cheesy. Not funny. You know, that little finger line from CR is on the corny side but in this sexual context it is appropriate really because lots of people talk teasingly like this to their lovers. In this respect, it's not as bad as other lines. It's a shame that they just can't seem to get away from the cheesiness in the Bond films. Maybe the only Bond film that wasn't cheesy or at least in terms of Bond's dialogue is LTK.

    I think Moneypenny continuing to be an action woman is a bloody horrible idea. Bond predominantly works alone anyway. Terrible idea. I dislike the whole background history they did with her in SF anyway but as long as she never returns to the field then it's passable. She might very well though. Who knows...

    One can only hope the books will improve at least as this is where my true Bond passion lies.
  • Samuel001 wrote:
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix? We need the next film to have less cutting back to London. We're on the adventure with Bond and then taken out of it. The MI6 staff should only be supporting characters and used as such. I don't mean to sound down but this could be one area of Bond that will be kept in the films for a while.

    Exactly. I don't like Mendes' approach of exploring Bond's emotional ties with the MI6 characters. The motherly relationship with M is enough. Give us an adventure with Leiter as support like the gold old days.

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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix? We need the next film to have less cutting back to London. We're on the adventure with Bond and then taken out of it. The MI6 staff should only be supporting characters and used as such. I don't mean to sound down but this could be one area of Bond that will be kept in the films for a while.


    This is what a hate about the DC era, whenever something big goes off we are back in London with M and Mi6 staff moaning about how Bond works.

    Next film we will see Bond enjoying a beer at a bar and then have it ruined by Mi6 finding out and 'cancelling his cards'

    Go back to the old film style, after PTS Bond is briefed and on his way!
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    Kananga wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix? We need the next film to have less cutting back to London. We're on the adventure with Bond and then taken out of it. The MI6 staff should only be supporting characters and used as such. I don't mean to sound down but this could be one area of Bond that will be kept in the films for a while.


    This is what a hate about the DC era, whenever something big goes off we are back in London with M and Mi6 staff moaning about how Bond works.

    Next film we will see Bond enjoying a beer at a bar and then have it ruined by Mi6 finding out and 'cancelling his cards'

    Go back to the old film style, after PTS Bond is briefed and on his way!

    Yeah. I agree with all this. After the wonderful traditional briefing, I don't want to see those characters again until maybe the end. As much as I love Fiennes, I hope they don't give him a major role. I'd rather see him though than Harris. I don't really like her performance in SF. I really don't think she acts particularly well in this film.
  • Bounine wrote:
    Kananga wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix? We need the next film to have less cutting back to London. We're on the adventure with Bond and then taken out of it. The MI6 staff should only be supporting characters and used as such. I don't mean to sound down but this could be one area of Bond that will be kept in the films for a while.


    This is what a hate about the DC era, whenever something big goes off we are back in London with M and Mi6 staff moaning about how Bond works.

    Next film we will see Bond enjoying a beer at a bar and then have it ruined by Mi6 finding out and 'cancelling his cards'

    Go back to the old film style, after PTS Bond is briefed and on his way!

    Yeah. I agree with all this. After the wonderful traditional briefing, I don't want to see those characters again until maybe the end. As much as I love Fiennes, I hope they don't give him a major role. I'd rather see him though than Harris. I don't really like her performance in SF. I really don't think she acts particularly well in this film.


    You can only hope, I guess. I expect that they pay Fiennes good money so having him do a small role is next to impossible. Maybe M and Q on the field setting a "field HQ" for Bond. Or, M staying in London to deal with politics of espionage. As longs as Bond is on an adventure FAR, FAR away from London, I'll be a happy moviegoer.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    I love the new title of this thread. Count me in with those hoping to see less screen time from M and Moneypenney but, as others have pointed out, they are probably being paid too much for that to happen.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    "Bamigboye writes: Director Sam Mendes, Craig, and producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are all big fans of Naomie’s and don’t want her to be too desk-bound, as other Moneypennys have been.

    ‘The idea formulating in Bond-land is for Naomie to be much more of a sidekick to James, and for her to get out and harm the bad guys,’ an executive close to the production told me."


    What a load of rubbish. Bond is a loner and works alone. He doesn't have a sidekick. These people it seems know little about James Bond, plain and simple. Spying in reality is a lonely profession anyway. If this is what Mendes is doing then I am in complete lament that they chose to have him as a director again. To hell with this garbage. What a p*** take! Well, I guess the viewing of other films will take priority over this lunacy they're currently calling Bond 24.

    As for Fiennes, he is a fantastic actor and not Bond's sidekick but boss so I won't mind really if we some more scenes from him in England.
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    Bounine wrote:
    Kananga wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix? We need the next film to have less cutting back to London. We're on the adventure with Bond and then taken out of it. The MI6 staff should only be supporting characters and used as such. I don't mean to sound down but this could be one area of Bond that will be kept in the films for a while.


    This is what a hate about the DC era, whenever something big goes off we are back in London with M and Mi6 staff moaning about how Bond works.

    Next film we will see Bond enjoying a beer at a bar and then have it ruined by Mi6 finding out and 'cancelling his cards'

    Go back to the old film style, after PTS Bond is briefed and on his way!

    Yeah. I agree with all this. After the wonderful traditional briefing, I don't want to see those characters again until maybe the end. As much as I love Fiennes, I hope they don't give him a major role. I'd rather see him though than Harris. I don't really like her performance in SF. I really don't think she acts particularly well in this film.

    What kind comment is this. Why do need Moneypenny well I'm the one made post that Moneypenny Q must return remember. I glad they both did. So reckon Like other Bond movies it should MoneyPenny, Q always M. Felix Liether as well but not all Bond movies with him. I hopping he appear in Bond 24 with same actor Geoffrey Wrights.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 5,767
    ggl007 wrote:
    I´m for Gala Brand or Mary Goodnight as field agents, much better than take Moneypenny´s out from M´s office !!
    Moneypenny more in the field sounds very much like Goodnight, both in the novel and film TMWTGG.
    If I think about it, with Craig and Mendes she probably would be more like a female Felix Leiter, which could be very much fun.

  • I think some people need to calm down. As is clear from SF, Moneypenny's strengths clearly lies in administrative work. However, that doesn't mean that a) she can't be in the field b) that she's necessarily going to be the gun toting "agent" some people fear.

    What I mean by this is that she can be proactive in "harming" the bad guys, and in the field, without it detracting from who the character actually is. Something I would expect any field role for Moneypenny to have is flirting with Bond. That's perhaps the most distinguishing feature of the character.
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