SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • Matt007 wrote: »
    It was a cute indication that the
    Series was 50 years old. I think of skyfall as part of the whole canon not just the Craig universe. CR and QOS show a contemporary interpretation of the beginnings of the character. It's not Dr who.

    Things get too complicated if you try to work out how he Defeated Goldfinger in a parallel timeline. To most people who saw skyfall they probably saw the car, got the joke and enjoyed the reference.
    The DB5 was only a reference and easter egg in Skyfall for me, and I do not hold it against them for using it in the film. It's a Bond film, remember, not everything makes sense. What about Bond's "fluent Japanese/Chinese-speaking" ability? He said in You Only Live Twice that he has taken classes for Oriental Languages in Oxford (if I remember correctly) yet in Tomorrow Never Dies he failed to type on the keyboard. Continuity error? Just watch it and enjoy it. That's what I say.

    Completely agree with above quotes. And I think there are more people who think the same about it.
  • Does anyone have some news about the photocall next Wednesday in Rome? A written article? I hear many fans talking about it. But there's no press announcement so far.
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    Does anyone have some news about the photocall next Wednesday in Rome? A written article? I hear many fans talking about it. But there's no press announcement so far.

    I have put that question up on this thread a couple of times but no one has answered. I have also sent a message to @marketto007, who bought up the date first, and I haven't heard from him, either.

    I think a lot of people will appreciate it, so if anyone finds anything regarding the photocall in Rome please post it here.

    Thank you to everybody in advance
  • RC7RC7
    edited February 2015 Posts: 10,512
    Matt007 wrote: »
    It was a cute indication that the
    Series was 50 years old.
    The DB5 was only a reference and easter egg in Skyfall for me

    Easter Egg's aren't usually used to promote a film. The DB5 was on display at the world premiere and was featured prominently in promoting the film. This wasn't just a little wink, it was a lazy safety net deployed by Mendes. I can completely understand why people take it with a pinch of salt, it is after all no matter of life and death, but for me, as a fan, I feel like it's important to be vociferous when it comes to the series' apparent need to embrace nostalgia. It's not just Bond, look at SW7 and it's use of the Millenium Falcon. It's really important to me that Bond continues to deliver new icons and doesn't just regurgitate or take comfort in whimsical sentimentality. This is the easy way to buy an audience. The more people lap it up, the more of it we'll be forced to endure. It's a sad fact of modern popular culture, that has been the case for almost twenty years, where creativity is in varying degrees eschewed in favour of a safe bet and a guarantee for the shareholders. It's disappointing to me, I don't think we need to be constantly celebrating and referencing the franchise. Get on with delivering original content.
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
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    aaron819 wrote: »
    Does anyone have some news about the photocall next Wednesday in Rome? A written article? I hear many fans talking about it. But there's no press announcement so far.

    I have put that question up on this thread a couple of times but no one has answered. I have also sent a message to @marketto007, who bought up the date first, and I haven't heard from him, either.

    I think a lot of people will appreciate it, so if anyone finds anything regarding the photocall in Rome please post it here.

    Thank you to everybody in advance

    You can trust Marketto, when he says there's a photocall, there's a photocall.

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    JCRendle wrote: »
    @Gustav_Graves Where does the
    Troublemaker nickname come from with Lucia Sciarra?
    and what makes you think that
    Brigitte Millar will be an iconic henchwoman from the Bond franchise
    - I've put the questions in spoiler tags incase the answers are considered a spoiler.

    Because it was mentioned on the front-page of MI6-HQ.com when the news about Brigitte Millar was released. Well, there was this question that implied this ("Iconic henchwoman from the history of the Bond franchise?", @JamesPage ?). So nothing new from my side, as I implied the same.

    Initially I thought Monica Bellucci could play such a henchwoman, but now Brigitte Millar seems more likely to be casted for such a role. Hence why I guess we could see the return of: Rosa Klebb, Irma Bunt or Helga Brand.

    Regarding "Troublemaker"....."Sciarra" is old-Italian for Troublemaker or problem-maker. That's why I thought Monica could still play a bad girl after all.

    Brigitte Millar is in the cast? Gosh I am late catching the news!

    It would be an unusual if downright unlikely kind of beauty for a Bond girl, so maybe a Rosa Klebb type of character would be better. I do think Monica Bellucci could play a rarely seen type of Bond girls, the repented sinner, like Pussy Galore and to a lesser extend May Day (I say to a lesser extend because until she redemmes herself she is downright a villainess, something Pussy Galore is not). Basically, someone who is on the villain's side, but for selfish reasons and not to the point of being a murderer or a terrorist.

    Also, given the age difference between Monica Bellucci and Léa Seydoux, could they be mother and daughter?
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    JWPepper wrote: »
    aaron819 wrote: »
    Does anyone have some news about the photocall next Wednesday in Rome? A written article? I hear many fans talking about it. But there's no press announcement so far.

    I have put that question up on this thread a couple of times but no one has answered. I have also sent a message to @marketto007, who bought up the date first, and I haven't heard from him, either.

    I think a lot of people will appreciate it, so if anyone finds anything regarding the photocall in Rome please post it here.

    Thank you to everybody in advance

    You can trust Marketto, when he says there's a photocall, there's a photocall.

    Thanks for the confirmation @JWPepper. Then we can be sure now that the photocall will indeed take place on Wednesday. Thank you once more @marketto007 for the date.
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    Regarding "Troublemaker"....."Sciarra" is old-Italian for Troublemaker or problem-maker.
    Nice, didn't realise this.
  • Posts: 4,617
    The DB5 has come to represent a big issue within the franchise: the balance between referencing and respecting the Bond heritage and the moving forward with fresh and exciting content. Mendes job is not specifically to please us guys, it is to please the mainstream audience. When I saw SF at my local cinema, there was almost a cheer when the garage door opened and the Bond theme kicked in. The audience loved it and, if Mendes had been sitting within the audience, I am sure he would have felt vindicated regarding the inclusion of that scene
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    Regarding "Troublemaker"....."Sciarra" is old-Italian for Troublemaker or problem-maker.
    Nice, didn't realise this.

    Very interesting. Any thoughts on who will be playing:
    Marco Sciarra, maybe Mark Strong?

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    JCRendle wrote: »
    Regarding "Troublemaker"....."Sciarra" is old-Italian for Troublemaker or problem-maker.
    Nice, didn't realise this.

    Lovely name for a Bond girl. She could be like I mentioned a repented sinner type of Bond girl, a sort we have seldom seen (only Pussy Galore truly fits this category). Or actually Madeleine Swann might be: apart from the name referring to Marcel Proust, Madeleine is of course associated with the prostitute who cries at the feet of Christ.
  • And what about Brigitte Millar? Could she turn out to play Rosa Klebb, Irma Bunt or Helga Brand??
  • RC7RC7
    edited February 2015 Posts: 10,512
    And what about Brigitte Millar? Could she turn out to play Rosa Klebb, Irma Bunt or Helga Brand??

    I would find this strange and I think it would set a very, how should I put this, debatable precedent, but with Mendes it's perfectly possible.
    patb wrote: »
    Mendes job is not specifically to please us guys, it is to please the mainstream audience.

    Which is probably where we, or at least I, would consider Mendes to be in a great position. I'm saying, 'give me anything you can dare to imagine, as long as it's not riffing on the past or borrowing it wholesale'. That to me sounds more appealing than, 'I want you to shoe-horn in some things I remember seeing when I was a kid, so I can feel all warm and fuzzy'. I do agree with you about Mendes having to please the punters, I just feel the DB5 is a lazy way of doing it. A decent film will do that irrespective of it's specific content. He definitely felt vindicated, he said so himself. Which is disappointing. The reveal of the DB5 is palatable, it ties neatly with CR and then 'M' says 'Go on, eject me', and I just think, 'Meh'. I just hope we don't have more moments like this in SP. They're not needed.
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    Agree, the reveal of the car was great IMHO and the justification (ie it has no tracking device) is a suitable explanation within the plot confinements, but then, they could not resist one more reference to "old Bond" but sneaking in the joke re the ejection seat. They had no place within the plot and thats where, for me, they crossed the line between respect for Bonds past and exploiting it for a cheap joke. Its very hard to get it right. Was OHMSS the first movie that tried to exploit the heritage of previous movies? massively off topic, do we need a new thread?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    You know it's interesting about riffing regarding SF. I know we've been talking about the DB5 on and off, but if you look at SF closely, there are a tremendous amount of scenes that directly 'riff' from the past. It's almost like an entire homage - very fitting when you think about it, given it is a 50th anniversary film. It's very subtle, but I notice it every time I see the film.

    I would think SPECTRE is the ultimate riff, if you get my drift.
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    I was at a classic car show at Brooklands on Sunday and there was a silver DB5 there. Everyone was talking about it as a Bond car (where are the mechine guns? etc) rather than as a classic car in it's own right. The DB5 has crossed over from Bond fandom into mainstream culture and its easy to see why its tempting for any director to squeeze it in. I wonder if there are more subtle ways. (a corgi model on Moneypenneys desk for example) of getting it in that you either get or not but does get in the way of the story.
    When I first saw SF, I interpreted the "killing " of the DB5 os Menzes way of saying "right, that's it, we have had our fun with the old Bond, but we need to move on, that car is a right off and is NOT coming back. Lets move on"
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think Richard Hammond on Top Gear said the DB5 is the most famous car in the world. Not sure if that's true, but it's certainly up there. It's a star in its own right undoubtedly.
  • RC7RC7
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    patb wrote: »
    I wonder if there are more subtle ways.

    It just doesn't need it. Between 1965-1995 we didn't see it once. Then we entered the era of nostalgia and we've since seen it in four of seven films, which would've been five had it not been cut in TWINE. I think Mendes did symbolically kill it, thank God.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 2,015
    RC7 wrote: »
    It's really important to me that Bond continues to deliver new icons and doesn't just regurgitate or take comfort in whimsical sentimentality. This is the easy way to buy an audience.

    But it will be short-lived if they continue that way...

    In the next years, when discussing/listing/ranking Bond's famous cars, you'll have no entry for Skyfall, since it's the same entry as for Goldfinger. For all we heard about a "new take" on classic Bond, we didn't even see the slightest change to the car, for instance. Only the joke about how not comfortable it is by today's standard show something new, but well, in the end it's only some irreverency.

    The lack of invention is the reason why IMO, I see SF go down in the "rankings" in the future (in particular if SPECTRE is good), while for instance CR will stay close to the top - although CR also has a DB5, but it appears in DC's world in a much less self-referential manner : not the famous plate, no Bond theme when he drives it, and it's used to display Bond's way to seduce "the girl" with some humour and incredible confidence.

    We can't discuss old leaks even when they're obsolete, but I can say Logan kept on using some "irreverencies" in the early SPECTRE scripts. Hopefully some people said no, and now the script is very, very different. IMO, too bad they didn't woke up earlier for the Q character in SF. Q's been turned into a pretentious but incompetent guy. This is quite a change from the usual icon, but now we have typical Hollywood whizkid #42, that's not exactly a great creation...
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    And what about Brigitte Millar? Could she turn out to play Rosa Klebb, Irma Bunt or Helga Brand??

    Do we know for sure Brigitte Millar is cast? If so, I find it unlikely that she will play a Bond girl. So no Helga Brand-type character, unless we get evidence otherwise. She may be a Rosa Klebb ir an Irma Bunt, which is another kind of character, not femme fatale but rather sexually neutral, unattractive evil women. Let's not forget that not all female characters in Bond movies are Bond girls. M was not a Bond girl, whatever the debate there was about it, Margaret Thatcher in FYEO was not a Bond girl even though she thought Bond was flirting with her, Helen McCrory was not a Bond girl either.

    Talking of McCrory, if Millar is in Spectre, she may be that kind of character.
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    You can't deliver new icons IMHO. They have to become iconic over time. If Bond drives a new car in SP, it wont be a new icon, it will be a car. It takes time for it to become an icon. Many of us were playing with toy Bond DB5s when we were kids. That's how things become icons. We live in a much more transient culture now and its hard to imagine how SP could introduce something new that, in time, becomes as iconic as the DB5.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 2,015
    patb wrote: »
    You can't deliver new icons IMHO.

    But you can try. In SF, it felt they didn't even try. The only "major try" is the creation of Kincade's character IMO.

    About SPECTRE, I can say nothing on this topic, because you know I know some things, etc..
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    Kincade was a wonderful character IMHO and wonderful acted BUT surely icons that pass though Bond history from one era into another have to be objects and not people?
  • RC7RC7
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    patb wrote: »
    You can't deliver new icons IMHO.

    But you can try. In SF, it felt they didn't even try. The only "major try" is the creation of Kincade's character IMO.

    About SPECTRE, I can say nothing on this topic, because you know I know some things, etc..

    Exactly. I'd rather something original that fails, to something staid and safe.

    But it will be short-lived if they continue that way...

    In the next years, when discussing/listing/ranking Bond's famous cars, you'll have no entry for Skyfall, since it's the same entry as for Goldfinger. For all we heard about a "new take" on classic Bond, we didn't even see the slightest change to the car, for instance. Only the joke about how not comfortable it is by today's standard show something new, but well, in the end it's only some irreverency.

    The lack of invention is the reason why IMO, I see SF go down in the "rankings" in the future (in particular if SPECTRE is good), while for instance CR will stay close to the top - although CR also has a DB5, but it appears in DC's world in a much less self-referential manner : not the famous plate, no Bond theme when he drives it, and it's used to display Bond's way to seduce "the girl" with some humour and incredible confidence.

    We can't discuss old leaks even when they're obsolete, but I can say Logan kept on using some "irreverencies" in the early SPECTRE scripts. Hopefully some people said no, and now the script is very, very different. IMO, too bad they didn't woke up earlier for the Q character in SF. Q's been turned into a pretentious but incompetent guy. This is quite a change from the usual icon, but now we have typical Hollywood whizkid #42, that's not exactly a great creation...

    Totally agree. Your comment on Logan doesn't surprise me.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 11,119
    And we cann add another bald actor to the list of possible baddies. This time it is German actor Bodo Friesecke, who will play a similar role as to Detlef Bothe. Also it is confirmed that Austrian actor Wilhelm Iben will play a guy named "Syringe Heavy".

    And now, this is important. It is also a (minor)spoiler. Mind you, this has no part of any SonyLeaks. But I will put this between spoiler tags. Do not attack me on that! More and more character information will soon leak anyway, and as I can not put this in the SonyLeaks topic or any other separate "Production Timeline Topic with Spoilers", I will post it here. And frankly, I find this a good opportunity to use spoiler tags! So do not attack me for this!

    As rumored last month, there was an Italian actor supposed to be playing
    "Marco Sciarra"
    (in this topic). It is now confirmed that this character will appear and will be played by Italian actor Alessandro Cremona. Please, I do not consider :

    --> Christoph Waltz (Austrian actor, "Franz Oberhauser")
    --> Dave Bautista (American actor, "Mr. Hinx")
    --> Monica Belluci (Italian actress, "Lucia 'Troublemaker' Sciarra") *rumoured*
    --> Jesper Christensen (Danish actor, "Mr White")
    --> Andrew Scott (British actor, "Denbigh")
    --> Brigitte Millar (British actress. "Rosa Klebb?" "Irma Bunt?" Or other iconic henchwoman from the Bond franchise?)
    --> Peppe Lanzetta (Italian actor, "Lorenzo", BALD)
    --> Alessandro Cremona (Italian actor,
    "Marco Sciarra"
    )
    --> Detlef Bothe (German actor, "cable car man no#1", BALD)
    --> Bodo Friesecke (German actor, "cable car man no#2", BALD)
    --> Marc Zinga (Belgian actor, "Oberhauser's assistant")
    --> Wilhelm Iben (Austrian actor, "Syringe Heavy", BALD)
    --> Victor Schefé (German actor, BALD)
    --> Neve Gachev (Bulgarian actress, "clinic patron")

    German actor Bodo Friesecke:
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    Italian actor Alessandro Cremona:
    Alessandro+Cremona+Vogue+Lenovo+Media+Lounge+I9c0VjixhQsl.jpg
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    Do you think Alessandro Cremona will have to shave? :p
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I think you can have iconic characters that stand the test of time and can even be played by new actors over time. The character is the iconic force. James Bond himself, for instance.

    Due to our shorter attention spans, it is more difficult to create lasting icons, but it can be done. It takes creative effort, and a bit of luck though, to make it lasting.
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
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    The
    patb wrote: »
    ...When I first saw SF, I interpreted the "killing " of the DB5 os Menzes way of saying "right, that's it, we have had our fun with the old Bond, but we need to move on, that car is a right off and is NOT coming back. Lets move on"

    Those were my thoughts exactly. I didn't even think it was that subtle. The whole idea of Bond "going back in time" was hit home pretty hard with not just the DB5 but also his childhood home (complete with Connery-esque 'caretaker') going up in flames. The message was clear: "we love the old films as much as you guys but after 50 years it doesn't make sense to carry this baggage any further - we need to create our own timeline now." The final briefing scene reinforced this too as it seemed to say "don't worry, we respect the history, Bond will still be the same Bond"

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    Fair point. Can we look forward to Kincade cropping up at crucial moments with a sawn off shotgun? it would be fun
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    Another bald, balding actor. Do we have confirmation for all of them, @Gustav_Graves?

    I am skeptical about Brigitte Millar playing anything else than a small role.
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