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  • Posts: 6,601
    As long as DC gets his next two, I don't care too much, who is next. Tom is a god actor, but I don't fancy his looks and he is even shorter then DC, which might give some fans a hick up :D But this is just a crap sunday paper, which manages to make the round with this rumor now

    Batman villian Tom Hardy in line for James Bond role

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/rehab/338697/Batman-villian-Tom-Hardy-in-line-for-James-Bond-role
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Honestly, as fun as it maybe to speculate who'll be the next Bond, with Craig doing at least 2 more, it's a waste of time entertaining what any publication outlet has to say about who is supposedly going to be the next Bond because its factual bs; irrespective of the merits of the actor(s) in question.
  • Posts: 9,858
    Tom Hardy as a bond Villian would be cool true I am in the Hardy for bond number 7 camp (my opinion the bond fans are split between Hardy and Fassbender I don't mind Fassbender and wouldn't be upset if he got if but just get a classic Connery bond vibe from Hardy)


    But yeah Bond vs Hardy would be fantastic in my opinion he was single handedly the best part of the Dark Knight Rises
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,483
    Bounine wrote:
    "Bamigboye writes: Director Sam Mendes, Craig, and producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are all big fans of Naomie’s and don’t want her to be too desk-bound, as other Moneypennys have been.

    ‘The idea formulating in Bond-land is for Naomie to be much more of a sidekick to James, and for her to get out and harm the bad guys,’ an executive close to the production told me."


    What a load of rubbish. Bond is a loner and works alone. He doesn't have a sidekick. These people it seems know little about James Bond, plain and simple. Spying in reality is a lonely profession anyway. If this is what Mendes is doing then I am in complete lament that they chose to have him as a director again. To hell with this garbage. What a p*** take! Well, I guess the viewing of other films will take priority over this lunacy they're currently calling Bond 24.

    As for Fiennes, he is a fantastic actor and not Bond's sidekick but boss so I won't mind really if we some more scenes from him in England.

    While it's true that Bond is no social butterfly, it is completely inaccurate to say that he doesn't have a sidekick. The relationship Fleming builds between Bond and his allies (Leiter, Mathis, Kerim Bey, Draco, Quarrel, etc.) is utterly central to the novels, and is one of the most striking features of the Bond character. Bond may be a rather cold man, but the love he has for his few close friends is powerful, even to the point of bringing Bond close to tears.

  • Excellent news that we'll be seeing more of Naomie Harris in Bond 24. I thought she was excellent in Skyfall and am pleased she'll be doing more than a few minutes of admin and flirting in the new film. I love the early films but we need to move on. If Eon had tried to keep everyting as it was in 1962 the series would have collapsed long ago.

    **sigh**

    Abandoning the things that make Bond films Bond films is a far greater threat to the series than is clinging to the past.
  • pachazo wrote:
    I love the new title of this thread. Count me in with those hoping to see less screen time from M and Moneypenny but, as others have pointed out, they are probably being paid too much for that to happen.

    I've been saying this. And in a film without Wright, I have to wonder if PC has pressured EON into taking a position that Harris can't be more than a token type of hire?

    I also fear this. I wonder if Mendes et al. weren't stung by feminista criticism that Bond took a "progressive" character and shoved her back behind a desk.
  • RC7 wrote:
    What I mean is that in addition to having to justify Harris' paycheck with a certain amount of lines, which can only be somewhat limited if she remains in the office, perhaps EON or the studio wants to see a minority character with a meatier role period as in out in the field when not writing Wright/Leiter into the story. I'd rather see him out there as a sidekick as they've set up Moneypenny at the end of SF as not a field agent, so what Mendes is intimating is contrary to what they've set up. If that makes sense.

    I see what your getting at in a character sense but I find it hard to believe they'd fret over representation. There are no key characters, or characters in fact, that are non-Caucasian in QoS. I really think this PC line is a bit of unquantifiable codswallop. Anyone who thinks EON sit about deciding on how to strike an ethnic balance are missing the point IMO.

    And anybody who thinks Eon isn't riding the "diversity" train just like every other elite institution in the Western world is in denial. IMO, of course!

  • RC7 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    What I mean is that in addition to having to justify Harris' paycheck with a certain amount of lines, which can only be somewhat limited if she remains in the office, perhaps EON or the studio wants to see a minority character with a meatier role period as in out in the field when not writing Wright/Leiter into the story. I'd rather see him out there as a sidekick as they've set up Moneypenny at the end of SF as not a field agent, so what Mendes is intimating is contrary to what they've set up. If that makes sense.

    I see what your getting at in a character sense but I find it hard to believe they'd fret over representation. There are no key characters, or characters in fact, that are non-Caucasian in QoS. I really think this PC line is a bit of unquantifiable codswallop. Anyone who thinks EON sit about deciding on how to strike an ethnic balance are missing the point IMO.

    Felix Leiter. He's a key character is he not?

    Apologies. I meant non-staple. There were no new characters outside of the regulars. Perhaps we shouldn't go down this inevitable path. The fact that talk of black actors leads to a PC debate is bad enough and probably says a lot about the level of the forum at times.

    Is says more about certain posters who are terrified of the truth.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 3,494
    In complete agreement here with the last statements expressed by Khan. Some change is inevitable, but it shouldn't be done just to please special interest groups and their supporters, it should be done when it makes sense to do so. I hated the take on Moneypenny during the Brosnan era as an example and thought it antithetical to the character we'd had before, conversely I thought Dench was a brilliant choice who brought a different perspective.

    To piggyback on the below, I'd like to see a steady actor as Leiter and feel Wright is doing a terrific job.
  • Murdock wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix?

    Speaking of Felix, I want Dean Norris (Hank off Breaking Bad) to play him if he's in Bond 24. I think he'd be brilliant.
    Let's have one Felix per Bond now please. Jeffery Wright is a great Felix, he and Craig had excellent chemistry.

    How about we get the actual Leiter that Fleming intended, for once? I. e. a sandy-haired, hawk-faced, wise-cracking Texan.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Murdock wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Why do we need Moneypenny in the field when we can have Felix?

    Speaking of Felix, I want Dean Norris (Hank off Breaking Bad) to play him if he's in Bond 24. I think he'd be brilliant.
    Let's have one Felix per Bond now please. Jeffery Wright is a great Felix, he and Craig had excellent chemistry.

    How about we get the actual Leiter that Fleming intended, for once? I. e. a sandy-haired, hawk-faced, wise-cracking Texan.

    Tell me about it! Why do we have to have a goddamn slave playing the part?
  • @RC7- I figure you're kidding, but I can't believe you just went there!
  • I can.
  • I can.

    I can believe J.W Pepper would.
  • RC7RC7
    edited September 2013 Posts: 10,512
    @RC7- I figure you're kidding, but I can't believe you just went there!

    All in the name of irony. Something a 50's throwback like Perilagu wouldn't understand. Hiding his inherent racist slant being his need for everything to be exactly as Lord Fleming intended. Frankly I'm bored of all this nonsense. Again, ironically, it's less offensive than most of Perilagu's drivel, but I guess that's the point.
  • Posts: 9,858
    So we are all going to ignore the Tom Hardy as Villian rumor?
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Risico007 wrote:
    So we are all going to ignore the Tom Hardy as Villian rumor?

    No. Although we could theoretically discuss Steve Martin as the villain and we'd be in exactly the same place in 6 months time.
  • Posts: 15,229
    Bounine wrote:
    "Bamigboye writes: Director Sam Mendes, Craig, and producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are all big fans of Naomie’s and don’t want her to be too desk-bound, as other Moneypennys have been.

    ‘The idea formulating in Bond-land is for Naomie to be much more of a sidekick to James, and for her to get out and harm the bad guys,’ an executive close to the production told me."


    What a load of rubbish. Bond is a loner and works alone. He doesn't have a sidekick. These people it seems know little about James Bond, plain and simple. Spying in reality is a lonely profession anyway. If this is what Mendes is doing then I am in complete lament that they chose to have him as a director again. To hell with this garbage. What a p*** take! Well, I guess the viewing of other films will take priority over this lunacy they're currently calling Bond 24.

    As for Fiennes, he is a fantastic actor and not Bond's sidekick but boss so I won't mind really if we some more scenes from him in England.

    While it's true that Bond is no social butterfly, it is completely inaccurate to say that he doesn't have a sidekick. The relationship Fleming builds between Bond and his allies (Leiter, Mathis, Kerim Bey, Draco, Quarrel, etc.) is utterly central to the novels, and is one of the most striking features of the Bond character. Bond may be a rather cold man, but the love he has for his few close friends is powerful, even to the point of bringing Bond close to tears.

    And I will add to this that Bond needs fairly often outsider's help because he is not all perfect and all knowing. In the novel TB, it is M who finds out SPECTRE's strategy, not Bond. In MR again, it is M who first suspects Drax may be up to something.
  • Posts: 15,229
    RC7 wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    So we are all going to ignore the Tom Hardy as Villian rumor?

    No. Although we could theoretically discuss Steve Martin as the villain and we'd be in exactly the same place in 6 months time.

    I wonder if this rumous has anything to do with Tom Hardy playing Bane in TDKR. Nah, probably a coincidence.
  • RC7 wrote:
    @RC7- I figure you're kidding, but I can't believe you just went there!

    All in the name of irony. Something a 50's throwback like Perilagu wouldn't understand. Hiding his inherent racist slant being his need for everything to be exactly as Lord Fleming intended. Frankly I'm bored of all this nonsense. Again, ironically, it's less offensive than most of Perilagu's drivel, but I guess that's the point.

    Given that English is clearly not your first language, I will forgive you this pitiful sentence.

  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote:
    @RC7- I figure you're kidding, but I can't believe you just went there!

    All in the name of irony. Something a 50's throwback like Perilagu wouldn't understand. Hiding his inherent racist slant being his need for everything to be exactly as Lord Fleming intended. Frankly I'm bored of all this nonsense. Again, ironically, it's less offensive than most of Perilagu's drivel, but I guess that's the point.

    Given that English is clearly not your first language, I will forgive you this pitiful sentence.

    Apologies. I'm aware they don't have predictive text in the fifties.
  • RC7 wrote:
    Apologies. I'm aware they don't have predictive text in the fifties.

    Nice one.
  • Posts: 12,526
    I would prefer Bale or Cumberbatch as the next villain! As for the next Bond? I don't know? For some reason I just do not think it will be either Fassbender or Hardy! Although I would have no objection to either of them being a villain in a future Bond adventure!

    I think the next Bond may well be under our noses without any of us even realising that Eon are casting their eyes on him or them? I mean I do not recall anyone mentioning DC for Bond whilst PB was in the role? So I guess we will have to wait and see what the future holds? I just look forward to see what Bonds 24 and 25 bring? \:D/
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,480
    I think the next Bond is barely on the horizon yet. I don't picture Tom Hardy as Bond, as much as I like him as an actor. Fassbender does nothing for me. Idris Elba will be too old, but I would have been happy and really interested in his Bond. I hope it is not Cavill. Anyway, I think it is not an obvious choice yet. But this question will be ongoing and maybe someone will pop onto the radar we haven't thought of yet. So, yes I seem to agree with RogueAgent on this.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    Bounine wrote:
    "Bamigboye writes: Director Sam Mendes, Craig, and producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are all big fans of Naomie’s and don’t want her to be too desk-bound, as other Moneypennys have been.

    ‘The idea formulating in Bond-land is for Naomie to be much more of a sidekick to James, and for her to get out and harm the bad guys,’ an executive close to the production told me."


    What a load of rubbish. Bond is a loner and works alone. He doesn't have a sidekick. These people it seems know little about James Bond, plain and simple. Spying in reality is a lonely profession anyway. If this is what Mendes is doing then I am in complete lament that they chose to have him as a director again. To hell with this garbage. What a p*** take! Well, I guess the viewing of other films will take priority over this lunacy they're currently calling Bond 24.

    As for Fiennes, he is a fantastic actor and not Bond's sidekick but boss so I won't mind really if we some more scenes from him in England.

    While it's true that Bond is no social butterfly, it is completely inaccurate to say that he doesn't have a sidekick. The relationship Fleming builds between Bond and his allies (Leiter, Mathis, Kerim Bey, Draco, Quarrel, etc.) is utterly central to the novels, and is one of the most striking features of the Bond character. Bond may be a rather cold man, but the love he has for his few close friends is powerful, even to the point of bringing Bond close to tears.

    When I referred to "sidekick" I meant some action oriented character shooting all the bad guys just like Bond and together with Bond. Someone running around with Bond doing lots of physical arse kicking isn't a nice thought, especially when it's Moneypenny. All those characters you named except for maybe Felix haven't helped Bond in this capacity. I can't recall Felix doing this either. If she were merely doing some spying it wouldn't be as bad. She did this in the Moneypenny Diaries but she wasn't working with Bond. In fact she was predominantly on her own. I don't like the thought of those two going out and working in the field together. She's always been a secretary in the films and the actual Bond novels. If she is to leave the office in Bond 24 then fine, have her engage in some investigative work but she should spend very little time working side by side with Bond in the field. I hate the backstory they gave her in Skyfall. It's so typically Hollywood. Why couldn't they just show her having some interesting and perhaps amusing interview with the head of MI6, Chief of Staff or whoever else might have been required to interview her.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Seriously Hardy? Bond will be an unknown or someone not a big name, this is the way i it's always been and it has worked, these tabloids will stoop to any level when they've got a shortage of news day.

    As for Fassbender he's quite probably the hottest actor on the planet at the moment with a possibility of an Oscar on the horizon he certainly doesn't need Bond.
  • Bounine wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    "Bamigboye writes: Director Sam Mendes, Craig, and producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are all big fans of Naomie’s and don’t want her to be too desk-bound, as other Moneypennys have been.

    ‘The idea formulating in Bond-land is for Naomie to be much more of a sidekick to James, and for her to get out and harm the bad guys,’ an executive close to the production told me."


    What a load of rubbish. Bond is a loner and works alone. He doesn't have a sidekick. These people it seems know little about James Bond, plain and simple. Spying in reality is a lonely profession anyway. If this is what Mendes is doing then I am in complete lament that they chose to have him as a director again. To hell with this garbage. What a p*** take! Well, I guess the viewing of other films will take priority over this lunacy they're currently calling Bond 24.

    As for Fiennes, he is a fantastic actor and not Bond's sidekick but boss so I won't mind really if we some more scenes from him in England.

    While it's true that Bond is no social butterfly, it is completely inaccurate to say that he doesn't have a sidekick. The relationship Fleming builds between Bond and his allies (Leiter, Mathis, Kerim Bey, Draco, Quarrel, etc.) is utterly central to the novels, and is one of the most striking features of the Bond character. Bond may be a rather cold man, but the love he has for his few close friends is powerful, even to the point of bringing Bond close to tears.

    When I referred to "sidekick" I meant some action oriented character shooting all the bad guys just like Bond and together with Bond. Someone running around with Bond doing lots of physical arse kicking isn't a nice thought, especially when it's Moneypenny. All those characters you named except for maybe Felix haven't helped Bond in this capacity. I can't recall Felix doing this either. If she were merely doing some spying it wouldn't be as bad. She did this in the Moneypenny Diaries but she wasn't working with Bond. In fact she was predominantly on her own. I don't like the thought of those two going out and working in the field together. She's always been a secretary in the films and the actual Bond novels. If she is to leave the office in Bond 24 then fine, have her engage in some investigative work but she should spend very little time working with Bond in the field. I hate the backstory they gave her in Skyfall. It's so typically Hollywood. Why couldn't they just show her having some interesting and perhaps amusing interview with the head of MI6, Chief of Staff and whoever else might have been required to interview her.

    In the novels, and to a significant extent in the films, Bond's sidekicks do engage in some roughhousing with Bond. Now having said this, let me say that I in no way, shape or form support Moneypenny becoming another Wai Lin or Jinx.
  • RC7 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    @RC7- I figure you're kidding, but I can't believe you just went there!

    All in the name of irony. Something a 50's throwback like Perilagu wouldn't understand. Hiding his inherent racist slant being his need for everything to be exactly as Lord Fleming intended. Frankly I'm bored of all this nonsense. Again, ironically, it's less offensive than most of Perilagu's drivel, but I guess that's the point.

    Given that English is clearly not your first language, I will forgive you this pitiful sentence.

    Apologies. I'm aware they don't have predictive text in the fifties.

    Now, now, no reason to bring your IQ into the discussion.

  • edited September 2013 Posts: 2,599
    I have a feeling I may not like the direction Mendes takes the Bond films in. What I do like the thought of is Morgan giving the Bond character more depth.

    If M decides to put Penny back in the field then he'll have to hire a temp to take her place while she is away from the office, unless Gargy Mallory gets Tanner to do all the menial work on top of his usual duties. Or if she returns to the field on a permanent basis, bring in Ponsonby seeing they don't seem to be interested in giving Bond his own secretary. Whether actual field agents have secretaries in the real world now, I don't know.

    Hardy is a good actor but he's a bit on the pretty side for Bond like Brosnan was in Goldeneye. If he's shorter than Craig then I'm not sure if he should actually be a candidate. Craig isn't even 6 foot. It says on the net that he's 175 cm. That's too short for Bond I think. A Bond actor should be at least 5 foot 10 (178cm) which I think Craig is.

    Does anyone recall if they made Hardy appear as if he were a similar height to Bale in The Dark Knight Rises? Bale is 183 cm which is 6 foot or just over.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Logan not Morgan.
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