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Not that I liked the CGI face replacement, but the truth is that there is a huge (and by that I mean HUGE) difference between a creative decision made during the making of the movie, and modifying the movie after it was already finished.
I meant that it's not just Cruise/MI. A lead actor doing his/her own stunts is used in marketing of other movies/franchises, too - including Craig/Bond. An actor doesn't have to do all his stunts himself, but what he/she does, we will certainly learn about if we read articles/watch interviews, etc. at all. It's only natural that this gets done, and I see nothing wrong with it. I find it interesting what actors choose to do themselves and why and all that, so I want to know - and I suspect many other fans do as well. And some of the stuff that actors do I really wish they didn't, but I respect dedication and commitment, and I understand the wish to push themselves and see what they can do... but sometimes I still wish somebody would stop them.
I don't think there should be any sort of competition of who does more stunts/crazier stunts themselves. Some fans look at it a bit like that, but it's so stupid. Ultimately it doesn't make the actor better or the movie better, and what if something does go wrong, how would those fans feel then? It's not necessarily in anybody's interest to have actors do any stunts themselves.
I agree with this. There should be reasonable limits to what actors are allowed to do. There should always be somebody who has the authority as well as brains to stop actors doing just any damned thing they want to do. Some actors (most, I presume) listen when somebody points out something is too dangerous, but I guess Cruise does not. He's not invulnerable, either.
Well of coursed they wouldn't do it for real. I'm think like the Bazaar in Skyfall or the Pyramids in TSWLM.
source: castingcallpro.com
Thanks for the news @Aaron819 ! It means she won't be the 2nd actress playing Irma Bunt :-). Although Vogel sounds very German/Dutch as well....
Awesome! Thanks Marketto.
Good name, a villainess' name, if she does play a villain. And for the first time since OHMSS we may have a villainess who is not a Bond girl.
Believe it or not, but in my childhood's make belief game, I had invented a villain who was named Vogel.
http://portal01.digitalcinema.technicolor.com/weeklybulletin/weeklybulletin_usa_20150403_081239.pdf
So she is not a Bond-girl then ;-). I think this is a very...thin line. That in the past was mostly related to age. Let's have a look at some villainous women...and women that could possibly be villainous:
--> Rosa Klebb: villainous woman *they say: it's a henchwoman*
--> Fiona Volpe: villainous woman *they say: it's a Bond-girl*
--> Helga Brand: villainous woman *they say: it's a Bond-girl*
--> Irma Bunt: villainous woman *they say: it's a henchwoman*
--> Xenia Onatopp: villainous woman *they say: it's a Bond-girl*
--> Elektra King: villainous woman *they say: it's a Bond-girl*
--> Lucia Sciarra: possibly villainous woman *we say it's 'the oldest Bond-girl*
--> Vogel: possibly villainous woman *although younger than Sciarra, we say it's not a Bond-girl
Two, rather discriminative, conclusions I can draw here:
1) The "uglier" the girl, the less likely it's a Bond-girl?
2) The "younger" the girl, the more likely she will be a Bond-girl?
Now with Lucia Sciarra, I'm already happy that we can change our attitude, because she's really the oldest Bond-girl ever, if we keep calling Lucia Sciarra a Bond-girl. But then there's a little problem. Why is Vogel then not....a Bond-girl? Because she's younger? Or slightly..."uglier"?
I think it's time to adopt one common word for all of the above villainous women. Let's call them: Bond-woman!
Marketing strategy off course ;-). Sony/MGM/Eon did not just release a trailer this early for us fans. They wanted this trailer to be attached with "Furious 7". Audiences visiting "Furious 7" will be quite similar to "SPECTRE".
But what about the "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation" trailer? @Antovolk ? Can you find that info as well?
Here is where I draw the line: she can be intimately involved with Bond, she is a Bond girl. Thus, she has to be attractive. Lucia Sciarra may be the oldest Bond girl, but she is still darn attractive, hence she is a Bond girl. I can see Bond sleeping with her. Heck, name me one straight man, however younger, who would say no to her?
I have a feeling that Brigitte Millar is being given too much prominence. As I've said before, she could be a bit part character, like Detlef Bothe, Wilhelm Iben, Bodo Friesecke etc. I think because she has a certain look and is one of the few women mentioned, we think that she'll have a larger role than I'm expecting her to. @Gustav_Graves was expecting her to be the next Irma Bunt, I wasn't surprised when it turned out she wasn't.
Also, not all women/girls in Bond films are Bond Girls/Villains. Some of them are just... female characters.
Mayday: Bond girl? Or Henchwoman?
Rosie Carver: Bond girl? Or henchwoman?
This is an interesting argument.
Like I say, message me, or flag the offensive posts, don't resort to name calling.
Both are Bond girls. Or else Bond would not have slept with them. I say this regretfully when it comes to Mayday.
They can be both, obviously. But not all female characters in Bond movies are Bond girls. Rosa Klebb is a female character in a Bond movie, she is a villain, she is not a Bond girl. Same with Irma Bunt.
So, in order to be a Bond-girl, you have to bed Bond?! That makes Camille (QOS) no Bond-girl then :|
I said the Bond girl can be, what matters is that there is a possibility of romance or intimacy. And I may add a reasonable possibility. Which implies attractiveness and a degree of mutual attraction. Something utterly impossible between Bond and the late M (more like a mother figure), or between Bond and Rosa Klebb (who is both a homosexual and masculinized).
And I cannot believe I need to argue over this. Anyone here thinks Rosa Klebb can qualify as a Bond girl? Seriously?
And Irma Bunt is no Bond-girl then? Obviously, she was also in bed with Bond ;-). Remember, many bad villainous roles we have called Bond-girls. Xenia is a Bond-girl...
Judi Dench was not a Bond girl. Not in a million years. Being an ally and a female character does not make you a Bond girl. How about that fat ally played by Julie T. Wallace? Is she a Bond girl too?