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Uh yeah, stick to your day job @Gustav
:P
I thought the sinking building set piece was fine and I'm still pissed they cut the scenes of Bond using his watch as a knuckle duster. However, the setpiece could have been streamlined by about a couple of minutes.
That was masterfully executed in terms of direction and action. Every time I see Craig's face and the way his eyes Pierce through the screen, it reminds me of Bill Bixby about to transform.
Superb. Wouldn't change it for the world. Potentially my favourite scene of the entire series. It's electric.
-QoS was too much action
-SF was too much talking and atmosphere and too little action.
-I think they may skew a little towards bombastic action in this one to pull in the foreign (read Asian) markets that like this sort of thing (witness FF7 which still boggles my mind).
That's ok with me.
I also mentioned the more quiet romantic scenes between the torture sequence and when Vesper went to the bank. It was a bit.....long IMO.
I think.....Peter Hunt executed the believable love between Bond and Tracy much better, slightly more...believable. Starting with that love collage over Armstrong's wonderful song ("CR" needed such a song), and secondly that proposal scene in the barn.....ending with Lazenby's best one-liner "It's not new year yet!".
I agree with you @Gustav_Graves. The pacing to fit in the Vesper romance post-nutcracker was a little forced in CR and I did not like the Venice collapse (seemed out of place in a film that was beautifully toned down up to that point just to give us a climax). Those were really my only criticisms in what is a masterpiece of a film.
Holding Vesper at the end of CR was absolutely superb. Much better than the comparable scene in SF that came out of nowhere to me (emotionally).
Oh, and if we're being really picky, Craig should have closed his mouth when eating and talking to Vesper after winning the card game.
That's it. Apart from that.....brilliant!
I can't agree with that. The dynamic between Bond and Vesper is just about the best you could expect, and that's largely down to the fact their performances are two of the best, if not the best in the entire series. From their meeting on the train to her death it's executed excellently, given the time frame. When he's holding her body, I get the most enormous gut punch, it's the saddest scene in the series by a mile for me. It's pure emotion. As good as the Laz/Rigg scenes are, he is nowhere near the actor Craig is.
I disagree. It would be dramatically unsatisfying to replicate the novel. Unlike a novel, a screenplay has to show not tell. The inner machinations of Bond's psyche pre and post Vesper death can be explained at will by Fleming, but in the film that has to be translated to something tangible. There is a very clear emotional build underpinned by frantic action and a great score from Arnold tying it together, so when the death hits it is a sucker punch. The whole scenario adds to the sense of helplessness. Also, having Bond witness her slip away only adds to the dramatic weight. The whole scene is Craig at his absolute best. There is a reason that films don't slavishly follow novels. If the emotional hit is the same, the journey can be made more cinematically satisfying.
It's a difficult thing though. Don't forget that "Casino Royale" was a very short novel. There's a lottt of character exposition in it, and it's almost devoid of action. If you adapt that novel accurately to the screen, you could end up with a 'boring' drama film.
Having said that, I do think one needs to think 'cinematically' as well. Basically Terence Young kicked off the 'big blow-up' finales with "FRWL". The entire boat chase and subsequent fire and blow-up of the S.P.E.C.T.R.E.-boats has been developed entirely for the screen and wasn't in the novel. Toung knew how to translate a novel to the big screen.
I think Campbell in all honesty did a near-perfect job with "CR" as well. The intro of the novel "CR" only had a bunch of lunatic French labour union members placing a bomb near a tree, so that Bond would be killed. By deleting that intro and replacing it with an entire 'chase terrorism/bomb sequence' was a masterstroke of Campbell. That he did right. But the entire romance that starts with a battered and bruised Bond in a private Italian clinic and ends up with Vesper going to the bank......was really a bit too long for me. A Peter Hunt-esque collage could have worked better. And at times.......there was some over-acting as well. George Lazenby IMO is the only actor who acted surprisingly well with love scenes. It's a pity he was such a prick on set :-P.
I do have a feeling though!......that there is a new love relationship coming between Bond and a girl. And her name is Dr. Madeleine Swann. I also think that, looking at the poses of Bond on the posters, Bond seems way more self-assured. IF "SPECTRE" ends up in a wedding proposal at the very end of the film, then it will be infused with some lovely Lazenby-esque humour I think. I believe after 9 years....agent 007 should get another gf.
I saw all the films recently again, and I have to admit the OHMSS ending still gets me to this day. So low key and yet so impactful. Unlike many, I think Lazenby could have acted that scene a little better (DC did a much better job in CR) but I like the way they covered the romance in OHMSS better......playing Armstrong's classic over the unfolding romance earlier in the film was also a masterstroke.
Having said that, we live in different times, and more melodramatic in your face exposition is necessary these days......or so it would seem based on recent events/marketing affecting SP.
Post an article of the type of "A GUY THAT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE JAMES BOND WILL BE THE NEXT JAMES BOND 100% CONFIRMED AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS 100000% CONFIRMED THING YOU'RE RACIST/SEXIST/RETARDED"
And it's always a big star as the next James Bond....how many people expected Craig to be 007 after Brosnan ? People always speculated about Hugh Jackman or people like him...it's ALWAYS like this...
All rumoured Bonds are not going to be next Bond.
Henry Cavill- already popular
Fassbender-already popular
That guy from Homeland- doesn't look like Bond-is too old
Idris Elba- too street black
Tom Hardy- already popular
I wonder when one of these days will see "JENNIFER LAWRENCE WILL BE NEXT BOND" or "DANNY DEVITO NEW 007 FOR REAL!"
Let's talk more about Craig and SPECTRE people.....but then again actual journalism is not paying the bills these days..
/rant over
btw @Marketto since you're seeing all these pictures and info from the movie, aren't you afraid you will know everything by the time the movie is out ? :)
If this had been some TV film with a low budget then maybe the novel version would have been fine but this was the latest Bond in 4 years and huge amount riding on it, so that sequence needed to be a big statement.
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Character and story developed by actions ...novelist can develope that by narrative of inner thoughts.
My point is I like the ending if CR ...but yes I agree maybe a bit uneven. The movie needed a big action sequence to end it ..very creative.
Needed something to bring down the house HAZHA ha Haas.... nevermind :-w
Yes and yes.
Good, that's what I like to hear...but I won't get my hopes up. If the ratio of action to non action is heavier on the action side than in CR and SF, then this will certainly hinder my enjoyment of the film (obviously, we'll have to see how long these action scenes are). As will one liners delivered directly following an action scene.
For me, the action set piece in CR's third act is just dull.
"I agree, CR falls apart in the third act for me, too much is pushed to the end and the storytelling feels rushed, especially given it's all character driven. The final set piece is, to me, completely unnecessary. It should have played the romance out and ended with Bond waking, finding Vesper dead, phone call with M, end credits."
@Mendes4Lyfe I agree. This is something I've always said.
@Zekidk Yeah, I was just referring to all action clips.
I don't classify torture scenes like the one in CR as action, thankfully.
P.S. I must be one of the very few people on these forums who really likes 'Writing's on the wall'. When I listen to this song, it transports me to some elegant club in the 1920's where I am sitting listening to a talented, late night lounge singer. As Roger Moore said, it is mysterious and haunting. The lyrics resonate with me too in part.
With this in mind, from what I can tell, it seems that Spectre has at least three big setpieces: the foot chase / helicopter fight in Mexico City; the car chase in Rome; and the plane / Land Rover chase in the Alps. We know there are more, but we don’t necessarily know the scope. For instance, we know there is some sort of fight with Hinx on the train, but we don’t know how long it lasts or how involved it is. From the most recent TV spot, we know there is at least one explosion in Morocco and we know Bond fires a machine gun – but again, is this a quick scene or a big setpiece? And finally, London. We have seen the filming of Bond in a speedboat on the Thames, shooting at a helicopter. But beyond that, we don’t know much. So will these sequences be considered short action scenes or big setpieces? I will say that if ALL of the action in the film are big setpieces, then that’s an awful lot – that would be six total. But if the first three are setpieces and the last three are shorter scenes, it might not feel like too much. I am, however, starting to see why the runtime is nearly two and a half hours!
Sorry if this post rambled more than intended :)
Godwin's Law dictates: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
I propose @patb's Law, dictating: "As an online Bond discussion on MI6 Community grows longer, the probability of the discussion becoming an OHMSS Appreciation discussion approaches 1." ;)
You can see the olives in the glass in this image from Empire:
does this mean that Bond 25 may not be the end of DC as Bond after all?
He isn't contracted past Bond 25, but he can pull a Roger Moore and make a 1-film contract as he goes until he leaves.
That's my favorite ...extra filthy extra olives ...Grey Goose.