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I've read the sentence in its entirety several times and still fail to glean any sense from it.
You might want to look up the definition of 'hallucinating'. Substitute that word with 'unbelievable' or 'outrageous' and I haven't got a problem.
Well okay then, we're talking semantics here. ;-) Problem solved!
You're argument is that Barry's score more impressive and iconic? well duh! No one's going to debate that. Slandering the academy isn't going to change the past or make your "argument" any more intelligent. I am so happy that Newman's score get nominated because he scored a Bond film, and I am a Bond fan!
I think giving Newman an Oscar for a very average score in order to recognise Barry's legacy would actually be an insult to Barry. The academy is moronic as everyone knows - if SF does win for best score it would just cement their status.
That argument is BS. So if DAD got a best picture nominations you'd be happy? Sure it's a bad film that doesn't deserve awards but your a Bond fan and it's a Bond film!
I want Bond to win awards I think it deserves. I think Newmans score was bland, generic, forgettable and overhyped, I think he only got nominated because he's Newman and I don't think the SF score came close to most of the Arnold scores, let alone Barry's.
So yes I don't want him to win and if that means in your eyes I'm not a true Bond fan I don't give a toss.
I think the reason why Tom Newman might have bagged an Oscar nomination is probably down to his Newman Dynasty connection and the fact that 3 generations of Newman musicians have significantly molded the American film score industry maybe more than any other family.
Someone's work isn't somebody's else... I find it totally unfair to give Newman a nomination (or even a future prize) for such a score ; quite good but nothing exceptional. At the opposite of Barry, who did many underrated masterpieces. Same remark for the songs...
The argue is between EoN and the people from Academy Award...wait and see.
Hmm. Not really. More like total misunderstanding of the word 'hallucinating'. Just don't see how it can be used in this context.
You should look up the definition of grammar nazi.
Hahaha... If DAD was nominated for Best Picture I would have pissed myself, and then cheered for it regardless. Unfortunately, the Academy decided otherwise in 2002 (Maybe they're not as moronic as people in this thread make them out to be ;) ).
Newman's score was beautiful and perfectly matched to the film. What you see as bland and generic, I see as melancholic. Skyfall is not a typical bond film and a typical Arnold score would not have worked; Newman's score is darker, slower, and elegantly morose. Moreover, Newman's occasional fast-paced action scores get the audience's blood pumping. He manages maintain the essence of classic Bond whilst being new and innovative: for example, his two-chord punch at the opening, thrusts the audience into the action, and is IMO a healthy alternative to the traditional gunbarrel (Although I would love to see the gb return in Bond 24).
Will Newman win the award? Probably not, because Life of Pi's score is pretty fantastic, but I'm pulling for another victory for SF anyway. I realize that I am in the overwhelming minority in regards to my opinion on the matter, so I'll leave you all alone to bitch and pout about what the academy should have done in the 60's and 70's... have fun! ;)
I think you'll find a lot of people would be grossly offended at being called a nazi so I'd be careful about bandying such insults about.
Fortunately I'm such an easy going guy I really couldn't give a toss.
So as long as the Bond name is attatched to it you'd be fine with crap winning awards.
I'd probably like Newmans score better if it wasn't so overhyped on this site by some people (mainly the people who hate Arnold).
It had it's moments but I felt extremely let down with it overall and I don't think it deserves an award.
Yep. If it was Arnold or another composer like him (so not that well known, hasn't won many awards or anything, etc) who did the SF score (lets say it's exactly the same as Newmans), it wouldn't have gotten a nomination.
-- The musicians branch people who came up with the nominations this year are, in theory at least, only supposed to consider work done in 2012 and aren't supposed to do a "make good" for John Barry.
-- The musicians branch people who came up with the nominations, I suspect, are for the most part not the same members of the academy who passed over Barry's work on Goldfinger, Thunderball, and other classic Bond scores.
-- I thought Newman's score was reasonably effective but at least somewhat inspired by the work Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard did on Nolan's Batman films. Mendes said there was some Dark Knight inspiration in Skyfall in general, so it wouldn't be shocking if that extended to the music.
-- Did Newman being part of the Newman film music dynasty help (plus all his previous nominations) get a nomiantion for Skyfall. It couldn't have hurt. Newman's father, Alfred, did a piece of music virtually everyone has heard: "20th Century Fox Fanfare" shown with the Fox logo at the start of every Fox movie. In fact, Alfred Newman composed it when the studio was just 20th Century Pictures Inc., that's how old it is.
That's still how I see it, and I'd say I like Newman's score quite a bit better than you do. It has some terrific moments, but I'd still take any of Barry's scores, Martin's for LALD, and 2 of Arnold's scores in TND and QOS first. I'd put SF about even with CR (better action scores for sure but the romance parts are a joke in comparison to City Of Lovers and Paris' Theme from TND) and LTK which is also strong on action and a location feel in a similar respect. I've give it 4 out of 5 stars, the same as CR and LTK but not a 4.5 or a 5 by any means.
Will I be happy if Newman wins? Yes for the extra publicity for the film any Academy Award will generate, but otherwise with some reservation knowing how political the choice will truly have been.
I agree on LALD, great score. Probably my favourite one that isn't a Barry or Arnold score.
Well said. Most people who win Oscars are those who have been pushed over before, though not always.
I also missed this. I didnt realise how many noms Newman actually had. Surely the oscar is in the bag isnt it? The Oscars love nothing better than rewarding someone who has lost out many times before. Who cares if its not his best work or its not as good as Barry or Arnold. He will win because people will think hes paid his dues with so many failures.
Cant really see anyone spoiling Adeles party either so thats 2 in the bag in my book. Deakins and the sound guys also have a great shout. Could SF really bring home the bacon in every category its nominated?