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Anyone else find it jarring when M swore in Skyfall?

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  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    @TheWizardOfIce It's rated R so hopefully this time the catchphrase will go unchanged and John will swear his arse off.
  • BounineBounine
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    Who swears in LALD and when does it happen? Do you mean when J. W. Pepper mimes it?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Mrs Bell.

    Whenever I watched it as a kid on ITV or VHS editions (or even the standard DVD edition) she just mouthed 'shit' but now in the UE edition you actually hear her say it.

    Haven't got round to it on bluray but hearing a remastered Mrs Bell in Dolby 5.1 should be a real treat!
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited February 2013 Posts: 1,661
    I agree with the Major. I thought the f word was not necessary and I also found M's constant use of the word 'bloody' a bit, well, not annoying, but repetitive. I wonder why Eon decided to use the f word? Perhaps to make the films seem more gritty and realistic? I didn't even know you could have the f word in a 12 or PG 13 film! Back in my teenage years you'd never get swear words in films ranked lower than a 15.

    Stacey Sutton said "sh*t!" during the fire engine chase scene in AVTAK and I think most fans said "sh*t!" after watching DAD. :D
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    fanbond123 wrote:
    I agree with the Major. I thought the f word was not necessary and I also found M's constant use of the word 'bloody' a bit, well, not annoying, but repetitive. I wonder why Eon decided to use the f word? Perhaps to make the films seem more gritty and realistic? I didn't even know you could have the f word in a 12 or PG 13 film! Back in my teenage years you'd never get swear words in films ranked lower than a 15.

    Stacey Sutton said "sh*t!" during the fire engine chase scene in AVTAK and I think most fans said "sh*t!" after watching DAD. :D

    I think it was perfectly understandable that she said it in that context. It was not to be more gritty and realist, as most people didn't even notice it, so natural it felt. What's wrong in saying bloody a lot? I say bloody a bloody lot, I hope people don't find me repetitive.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited February 2013 Posts: 1,661
    As mentioned by an earlier poster, she was in a bad mood so that would explain her choice of words. I think she said "bloody" at least twice in the scene when Bond is at her home.

  • RC7RC7
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    This discussion is ridiculous. In a film featuring blokes fighting on a train, a cyber terrorist who has an island lair, and a helicopter attack in the Scottish Highlands, swearing is probably about the most truly realistic thing in SF, or any Bond for that matter.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    RC7 wrote:
    This discussion is ridiculous. In a film featuring blokes fighting on a train, a cyber terrorist who has an island lair, and a helicopter attack in the Scottish Highlands, swearing is probably about the most truly realistic thing in SF, or any Bond for that matter.

    Exactly! I don't know why some people are so bothered by it, are they also bothered like that in real life? I don't exactly like swearing (apart from the occasional bloody or damn) and am usually annoyed by heavy swearing to be honest, but I don't see any problem with SF in that matter.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    RC7 wrote:
    This discussion is ridiculous. In a film featuring blokes fighting on a train, a cyber terrorist who has an island lair, and a helicopter attack in the Scottish Highlands, swearing is probably about the most truly realistic thing in SF, or any Bond for that matter.

    Agreed.

    I always found it more jarring in films and (especially) TV shows where there was a situation where most real people would swear but instead the character says flipping or flaming or something.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited February 2013 Posts: 1,661
    The most ridiculous thing about SF was Silva's hair. It made Craig's balding head look even more bloody noticeable!

    :P :P

    I have said the b word. Whoops!
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    fanbond123 wrote:
    The most ridiculous thing about SF was Silva's hair. It made Craig's balding head look even more bloody noticeable!

    :P :P

    I have said the b word. Whoops!

    Ridiculous hair? Yes, but it was characteristic of the character. But you'll have to show me Craig's balding head because as far as I can see Craig is far from becoming bald.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    RC7 wrote:
    This discussion is ridiculous. In a film featuring blokes fighting on a train, a cyber terrorist who has an island lair, and a helicopter attack in the Scottish Highlands, swearing is probably about the most truly realistic thing in SF, or any Bond for that matter.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! When did all this stuff happen? I was too busy sh*tting myself when M swore. :P
  • hoppimikehoppimike Kent, UK
    Posts: 290
    I thought the ending was a little silly (I didn't notice the curse word, probably for that reason)... I mean, after all that effort trying to save M... she just dies anyway lol

    I was rooting for Bond to save her and go some way to redeeming the film for me, but then she died and I was like "ooooof course."!

    I think I'm in a minority though in that I just want a purely ass-kicking, no compromises Bond who actually WINS in the end without so many sacrifices!

    One strong curse word didn't even really register to me.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Would anyone have preferred Bond saving M, and her just resigning, over her dying?
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Would anyone have preferred Bond saving M, and her just resigning, over her dying?
    yes.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    =bg= wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Would anyone have preferred Bond saving M, and her just resigning, over her dying?
    yes.

    While I hate having sweet ol' M die, I really thought her death was powerful and emotional enough to make the entirety of the finale even better than what it was.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Would anyone have preferred Bond saving M, and her just resigning, over her dying?

    I don't think that would have had the emotional impact that her death did. Her death is the springboard that will allow Daniel Craig's Bond to become the Bond we knew from the other films. Now that he has a male M, he can build up the relationship that we all loved between Bond and Sir Miles.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Not only that, M told Mallory earlier she had no intention of retiring. She had to die.
  • OligarchOligarch Banned
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    I found it offensive, and walked out of the theater, but after a minute or two I decided to enter the theater and continue watching.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Not only that, M told Mallory earlier she had no intention of retiring. She had to die.

    I thought she said she would when she finished the mission? She told Mallory she refused to leave MI-6 in a worse condition than she found it in.

    @Oligarch, that's pathetic, and an obvious lie.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Not only that, M told Mallory earlier she had no intention of retiring. She had to die.
    @Oligarch, that's pathetic, and an obvious lie.

    Ha, so true. And judging by his past comments, he missed more than the ending. :))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It's the equivalent of walking out when someone was punched or shot, or when someone drank alcohol or eyed a woman in a sexual manner. Welcome to the real world.

    "What? There's ALCOHOL in that drink of his? I'm getting a refund. I thought this was a sequel to 'The Smurfs'!"
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited February 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    It's the equivalent of walking out when someone was punched or shot, or when someone drank alcohol or eyed a woman in a sexual manner. Welcome to the real world.

    "What? There's ALCOHOL in that drink of his? I'm getting a refund. I thought this was a sequel to 'The Smurfs'!"

    Haha, tell me about it.

    "WAIT, just WAIT! You mean to tell me that this war film was supposedly based on a true story, but the extras aren't being shot with real bullets? That's it, I want a full refund and a discount on my popcorn and pop of choice. It'll be a cold day in hell when I return to this theater again."
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    It's the equivalent of walking out when someone was punched or shot, or when someone drank alcohol or eyed a woman in a sexual manner. Welcome to the real world.

    "What? There's ALCOHOL in that drink of his? I'm getting a refund. I thought this was a sequel to 'The Smurfs'!"

    Haha, tell me about it.

    "WAIT, just WAIT! You mean to tell me that this war film was supposedly based on a true story, but the extras aren't being shot with real bullets? That's it, I want a full refund and a discount on my popcorn and pop of choice. It'll be a cold day in hell when I return to this theater again."

    What sorcery. Burn the theater to the ground while you're at it so it can't make the same mistake again!

    In all honesty, how could one be truly bothered enough to walk out of a movie because of that word? It's a PG-13 film, and all PG-13 films get at least one usage of the word. How is that a shock?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited February 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    It's the equivalent of walking out when someone was punched or shot, or when someone drank alcohol or eyed a woman in a sexual manner. Welcome to the real world.

    "What? There's ALCOHOL in that drink of his? I'm getting a refund. I thought this was a sequel to 'The Smurfs'!"

    Haha, tell me about it.

    "WAIT, just WAIT! You mean to tell me that this war film was supposedly based on a true story, but the extras aren't being shot with real bullets? That's it, I want a full refund and a discount on my popcorn and pop of choice. It'll be a cold day in hell when I return to this theater again."

    What sorcery. Burn the theater to the ground while you're at it so it can't make the same mistake again!

    In all honesty, how could one be truly bothered enough to walk out of a movie because of that word? It's a PG-13 film, and all PG-13 films get at least one usage of the word. How is that a shock?
    Yeah, it's ironic: If you go to one of his blogs he swears like the day is long, in a bunch of sickening adult porn stories he types up. :-&
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, where are said blogs located?
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Would anyone have preferred Bond saving M, and her just resigning, over her dying?
    I mean, it did suck that she was set up for retirement as soon as this was over. Bummer.
    Actually, I still don't even remember the 'f word', even though I've seen it twice in the theatre. Maybe it's on Youtube now? Lots of the movie is-- including Silva and his narsty teeth :D

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    M would have hated retirement, we all know that. It would be just like Bruce Willis's character in the beginning of RED where he sits around, completely bored because he is a retired agent used to being adrenaline fueled and on the move all the time. I think that was how M would have been. She had grown to become used to the stress and the high intensity demands placed on her, so naturally any big jump to normal life from that kind of responsibility would be like a drug user's withdrawal period. I think she knew her death was coming anyway, seeing Silva as some sort of Grim Reaper back to haunt her, and what better way to go out than fighting alongside her best agent facing off against the man that caused her life and many others so much pain?

    Andrew Jackson once said, "I was born for the storm, and a calm does not suit me." This quote completely exemplifies all that M is in my mind. Like Jackson, she is only comfortable and focused on the battlefield, and a more sedentary and grounded living just doesn't suit her character.
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
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    Let's just say M wouldn't have done well @ "Happy Acres Golden Villa Retirement resort" or something like that. Or Shrublands.
  • 00130013
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    Oligarch wrote:
    I found it offensive, and walked out of the theater, but after a minute or two I decided to enter the theater and continue watching.

    So, you can't stand a Scorsese or Tarantino movie.
    Are you a puritan priest?
    Or is this just a way to bring attention to yourself and discredit Skyfall?
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