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Oh I liked that ending. It's something you don't see often.
There were lots of bits of concept art of the space rocket and various versions of the Garden of Death. They certainly looked cool.
I must say I'm not seeing the problems with the quoted details from the script that other people are. There's not enough info in that to know either way if it would be good or bad, is there?
I think I read the other day that someone was doing lots of research on Dr No and couldn't find any evidence of that famous story. Doesn't mean it's not true of course!
I don't find the idea of M ordering Bond killed to be that wild, I could imagine that happening. Still, yes, the 'pastiche' thing is curious.
Bond on a rocket just sounds like a joke to me.
If they send Bond back into space, it should be in a Q-equipped hypersonic aircraft skipping on the atmosphere so he can jet around the world faster than anyone else. Not a "beat the Russians" rocket movie.
Yeah, me too. I wouldn't have wanted a Bond film to copy it a couple of years later, though. ;) I definitely don't want Bond in space either. Hard no, there. I do see how the Hodge script could be seen as a bit of a pastiche - I thought NTTD went a bit too close to that at times ('Magnets!'), but Boyle's film sounds like it'd've tipped over the line.
That reminds me, almost time to watch Fury Road again.
I always assumed it came directly from Cubby Broccoli. It seems to be mentioned in his biography anyway. Not that that's necessarily an indication either of whether the story is true or not, but it'd be a random thing to make up. It's not unbelievable though. First drafts often have mad ideas that are later refined or thrown out.
I suppose NTTD had M being involved in Heracles, which I found unbelievable too. It was also a lot more fantastical than what we'd seen before in the Craig era. Perhaps to some extent we were always going to get certain things from Bond 25 no matter who wrote or directed it. I mean, we now know that the plan was always to have a retired Bond coming back for a last mission, him having a daughter, dying at the end etc. Like I said, I suspect much of this came creatively from BB and MGW.
Probably accurate, though I'd wager Bond dying was more of a Craig commitment. Let's kill the guy, won't that be fun? Sounds like him.
I think Barbara and/or Dan recently hinted that, at least Bond's death had been discussed movies ago as a sort of natural bookend for whenever Craig left, though I'm not sure I believe that. Craig may have always wanted to kill Bond, but I don't think they took him seriously until they wanted him back for a fifth movie and had to do anything.
Were there any other options? I can't think of any.
Yeah we missed one. Combine 1 + 3. Fake death, happy retirement. Different from Spectre. Though then it's just Ultimatum.
I guess they could have had a TDKR type thing where a hint is given he's actually alive (I dunno, the last shot is of his heart rate monitor suddenly pinging in Q's lab after the little memorial they have for him). There's conceivably more possibilities, but I get what you mean. There's only so many ways to end it.
Yeah, I'm not sure how serious Craig was about Bond dying in 2006. It's interesting that they decided to do it this time round though. I've always said that NTTD shares similarities to Logan - showing an older incarnation of the main character and ultimately their death, showing the hero having to deal with having a daughter, dealing with their closest ally dying on this adventure, their memory being cemented at the end of the film through stories etc. - which have also been things seen in other big franchise films over the last 5 or so years more prominently. So while in the past NTTD might have more likely involved Bond going back to MI6 and surviving, the producers felt more confident in him dying as a story option this time round.
I think Ending 2 generally works as an ending. The (tragic) story being told is that Bond can never escape the life of a spy, regardless of how hard he tries. It's the story of Casino Royale, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and also the story No Time To Die ended up telling; I think it's important to note Heracles was made by MI6, and the missiles that ultimately killed him were fired by the British Navy. It's saying that his life of being a spy ultimately will be the death of him, regardless of how hard he tries to escape it.
And Batman too. I think it might be too close to that, but good call.
Maybe you could have an explosion of some sort, Bond is close but survives, he escapes to see Nomi getting Madeline and Mathilde to safety. Now knowing they're safe Bond disappears into the shadows and out of shot, cut to black, end of the film.
Like every Bond ending pre 2006, except without any end coda
It'd also be a call back to M's speech in Spectre, "it's the fate of spies to disappear" and also the Moonraker novel "James Bond the man who is only a silhouette"
That would imply he runs out on them; I'm not sure why he'd do that. The film up until that point had been about Bond reconciling himself to actually finding something to live for, even though he'd struggled against it.
Yeah that's true mate. This is why I was never a fan of Bond being a dad, at least the way they did it anyway.
It felt like they'd written themselves into a corner, so they added Madeline having Bond's daughter, rather than to trying to make her a more compelling character. Giving Bond a daughter which gives him a reason to sacrifice himself
Why wouldn't he be first choice if he's the new face of Belvedere Vodka and their self proclaimed "new era"?
To me this is Craig's way of "publicly" accepting his fame finally, but still in his joking, non-serious way. He's showing us who he thinks we (society) want him to be, this flashy cool guy, which he's not. Just my take. The campaign was certainly designed around him, though.
And it's as much weapon of choice homage as it is that recent Mads Mikkleson dancing video.
Oh is he? I still find it very uninspired.
Do you mean the end of Another Round? That was a movie.
Fine. I mean the clip from the movie that went around the internet as a video, just of him dancing. I didn't watch a movie and yet I still saw this dancing.
Sure, but a scene in which a character dances at the end of a film isn’t the same as an abstract short where the (entire) joke is that a famous actor dances in a funny way. Around a hotel.
I'm not going to argue about this, all I said is it reminded me of it.
Regardless, it's an awkward ad. Craig doesn't sell it for me like he can't sell a southern accent.