The DANIEL CRAIG Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • DC not only cares about the role buy gets involved full-time in it: there are even scenes in QoS that he either shot with a camera or wrote himself. As much as most of us like SC, he lost a lot of my respect by not caring towards the end. NSNA was more about sticking it to Cubby than about giving Bond fans some real competition for films. Not even a bit of acknowledgement towards OHMSS or its legacy. I'm not bashing him, but DC deserves a lot of credit quality wise. I'd rather have an older Bond with films spaced out as we're having them than to just market off a guy's name.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DC not only cares about the role buy gets involved full-time in it: there are even scenes in QoS that he either shot with a camera or wrote himself. As much as most of us like SC, he lost a lot of my respect by not caring towards the end. NSNA was more about sticking it to Cubby than about giving Bond fans some real competition for films. Not even a bit of acknowledgement towards OHMSS or its legacy. I'm not bashing him, but DC deserves a lot of credit quality wise. I'd rather have an older Bond with films spaced out as we're having them than to just market off a guy's name.

    I understand your frustrations, but how can Sean be blamed for not acknowledging OHMSS? I assume you're referring to the screw up that is DAF, in which case I'd blame the writers and producers, not Sean himself. Besides, by doing that film he was at least able to help the Scottish education system. That's honestly about the only good thing about it, and it's not even related to the actual film.
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    If it's down to who is the nicest guy, Sean is never going to win. But if it's about who was the best Bond...
  • DC not only cares about the role buy gets involved full-time in it: there are even scenes in QoS that he either shot with a camera or wrote himself. As much as most of us like SC, he lost a lot of my respect by not caring towards the end. NSNA was more about sticking it to Cubby than about giving Bond fans some real competition for films. Not even a bit of acknowledgement towards OHMSS or its legacy. I'm not bashing him, but DC deserves a lot of credit quality wise. I'd rather have an older Bond with films spaced out as we're having them than to just market off a guy's name.

    I understand your frustrations, but how can Sean be blamed for not acknowledging OHMSS? I assume you're referring to the screw up that is DAF, in which case I'd blame the writers and producers, not Sean himself. Besides, by doing that film he was at least able to help the Scottish education system. That's honestly about the only good thing about it, and it's not even related to the actual film.

    It's also about no retrospective on what he thought of OHMSS or reaching out to GL whose career was going nowhere. Sure, GL made a fool of himself but SC was more focused on getting his way all the time.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DC not only cares about the role buy gets involved full-time in it: there are even scenes in QoS that he either shot with a camera or wrote himself. As much as most of us like SC, he lost a lot of my respect by not caring towards the end. NSNA was more about sticking it to Cubby than about giving Bond fans some real competition for films. Not even a bit of acknowledgement towards OHMSS or its legacy. I'm not bashing him, but DC deserves a lot of credit quality wise. I'd rather have an older Bond with films spaced out as we're having them than to just market off a guy's name.

    I understand your frustrations, but how can Sean be blamed for not acknowledging OHMSS? I assume you're referring to the screw up that is DAF, in which case I'd blame the writers and producers, not Sean himself. Besides, by doing that film he was at least able to help the Scottish education system. That's honestly about the only good thing about it, and it's not even related to the actual film.

    It's also about no retrospective on what he thought of OHMSS or reaching out to GL whose career was going nowhere. Sure, GL made a fool of himself but SC was more focused on getting his way all the time.

    First of all, I make no concrete observations on how anyone acted at a time in their life when I or nobody else here was on the set of DAF and don't fully know what Sean did and didn't act like. Secondly, his opinion on OHMSS wouldn't have mattered a toss; the filmmakers would have made the same campy and horribly disconnected film regardless of what he thought of it. Thirdly, why should Sean reach out to George? He had his bloody chance, a six or seven picture deal in the basket after OHMSS, in fact, but he screwed it up all on his own. Sean owed him absolutely nothing, especially since without him George might not have had the role in the first place.
  • You got a point, 0Brady....GL had to thank SC. But it's still hard to comprehend GL letting his agent have too much say. But with DC's level of care in his films while treating each day like it's his job interview, he should be the go-to consultant or executive producer after his tenure.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    You got a point, 0Brady....GL had to thank SC. But it's still hard to comprehend GL letting his agent have too much say. But with DC's level of care in his films while treating each day like it's his job interview, he should be the go-to consultant or executive producer after his tenure.

    If I were George I'd despise that agent. Granted, Lazenby didn't really have the experience needed to understand the acting world as he simply wasn't familiar with the movie business that early in his career, so I could maybe understand him following the word of his agent more than his own feelings, whatever they may have been. Still, it's very unfortunate as he could have been even better given time to grow into the role.

    As for Dan, his commitment to these films and Bond as a character is one of the reasons why he's one of my favorites to take on the role. He gives it everything he has and does as much as he can, even when told to reign it in. As Mendes put it in the Skyfall commentary, when you have a lead actor that really goes for it and does as many stunts as possible and is as hands-on with other areas like the script, costume design and more, they raise the game of everyone else around them to do just as much and to give it their all. I love Dan for that; a rare gem.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 11,425
    I had QoS on ITV on the telly in the background last night and was impressed by the way in which DC makes the best of some fairly weak material. Infact, I still maintain that QoS is a lot better (and a lot more coherent) than many people give it credit for.

    Any way, we certainly have a very good actor in the lead role. It would be nice if they upped the production rate a bit after B24. I'd like to see him do two more, and I think that really requires 2 year production timelines - with the next two coming out in 2017 and 2019. He'll really be getting on by then, but I think he's good enough to deserve it.

    Shame they didn't keep the ageing Bond storyline from SF until his last movie and just gave him a full on mature Bond in his prime adventure for B23.

    As for DC being more invested in the character/putting more into the role, I think Connery was very much involved. He cared deeply and wanted to make it as a serious actor. It's not totally by chance that his early films are such classics and that he is so good in them!

    But things have changed since then. EON are much more open to DC having an input. Back in the day Harry and Cubby were (I think) a lot more controlling, and actors had much less say/power than they tend to have today.

  • edited June 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I too saw a little of QoS last night. It's not all that bad as you say @Getafix. However I can't help but put it nearish the bottom. There's quite a lot of things that are good, but I feel a little...under-whelmed by it all at the end. Craig's good, but I think I prefer him in both Royale and Skyfall. He seems too monotone in Quantum quite a lot of the time (a product of the more sombre tone the film has perhaps).

    In the other two he has more to play in terms of humour and seriousness.

    I think my problem is that I don't really feel that interested in the main political thread of the film. It's trying to compete with Bond's emotional torment and random action.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I too saw a little of QoS last night. It's not all that bad as you say @Getafix. However I can't help but put it nearish the bottom. There's quite a lot of things that are good, but I can't help feeling a little...under-whelmed by it all at the end. Craig's good, but I think I prefer him in both Royale and Skyfall. He seems too monotone in Quantum quite a lot of the time (a product of the more sombre tone the film has perhaps).

    In the other two he has more to play in terms of humour and seriousness,

    Definitely not near the bottom for me. Mid table I think.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 11,189
    For me its number 19. I'm tempted to move it up a couple of places but not much more. I saw it from just before the party up until Bond finds Fields covered in oil.

    It was alright, but can't say I was enthralled by it. Its just a bit...boring.
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    Not enthralled, but better than a lot of the other films.

    Weird how QoS and SF both have such blatant references to GF. And Mendes still thinks he was being really clever...
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Give me SF anyday of the week. At least that's not as po-faced (despite M's death).

    I noticed how similar Mathis's death was to M's (Bond cradling him before he dies). M's has more impact though.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Give me SF anyday of the week. At least that's not as po-faced (despite M's death).

    I noticed how similar Mathis's death was to M's (Bond cradling him before he dies). M's has more impact though.

    He cradles Vesper too, but she's already expired by then. Definitely a morbid theme there.
  • Getafix wrote:
    Not enthralled, but better than a lot of the other films.

    Weird how QoS and SF both have such blatant references to GF. And Mendes still thinks he was being really clever...

    It's cool that Mendes is director but not cool that he has too much fanboy plans to recycle tried things.

  • edited June 2014 Posts: 19,339
    There is a repeat of a young Daniel Craig drama coming on TV next week that i have found :

    THE ICE HOUSE - PART 1
    SAT 07JUN 9PM
    DRAMA CHANNEL

    PART 2 - 10.10PM

    PART 3 - 11.20PM
    Repeated from 2AM on the Sunday.


    Dramatisation of Minette Walters' novel. The discovery of a body in the grounds of a stately manor leads to revelations about one of the house's three female residents, whose husband disappeared in unexplained circumstances. Starring Kitty Aldridge, Frances Barber, Daniel Craig and Penny Downie.


    Also :

    ARCHANGEL
    WED 09JUL 9PM
    DRAMA CHANNEL


    Daniel Craig stars in a fast-moving espionage thriller from the mind of Robert Harris. A historian battles dark forces across Russia to uncover the final secret of Stalin.

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    If you have a chance to see IceHouse, watch it. Its very good and has the - IMO - best verbal banter he had had with any co-star, including Vesper. Wonderful dialogue.

    Archangel is good, but nothing special, apart from the topic itsself, which is interesting.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Germanlady, I think I'll give 'The Ice House' a watch based on your recommendation, then! I've seen it every now and then on DVD when I go into Wal-Mart, and am always surprised by how young DC looks in it, so I'll have to find a way to watch it online.
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    barryt007 wrote:
    There is a repeat of a young Daniel Craig drama coming on TV next week that i have found :

    THE ICE HOUSE - PART 1
    SAT 07JUN 9PM
    DRAMA CHANNEL

    PART 2 - 10.10PM

    PART 3 - 11.20PM
    Repeated from 2AM on the Sunday.


    Dramatisation of Minette Walters' novel. The discovery of a body in the grounds of a stately manor leads to revelations about one of the house's three female residents, whose husband disappeared in unexplained circumstances. Starring Kitty Aldridge, Frances Barber, Daniel Craig and Penny Downie.


    Also :

    ARCHANGEL
    WED 09JUL 9PM
    DRAMA CHANNEL


    Daniel Craig stars in a fast-moving espionage thriller from the mind of Robert Harris. A historian battles dark forces across Russia to uncover the final secret of Stalin.

    You beat me to it Barryt007! Just saw it advertised tonight! Looks really good so will definately give it a viewing.
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 1,282
    Daniel Craig's Bond is so good that the producers are OK with having the next two Bond movies focus on an aging Bond. IMHO, if James Bind has to die it's got to be done by Craig. It can be subtle with Judi Dench meeting him again at the end of Bond 25 awaiting but symbolizing the death. Maybe Bond's grave can be next to Dench's or Vesper's as a surprise. You really sometimes never know what surprises Sam Mendes is going to bring. But really, it seems like Craig's Bond is so good that the only way for new fans (new as in those who have become fans since CR, QoS, or SF) to accept the next Bond actor better. A rebooted younger Bond would be one way to go about succeeding Craig.


  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Daniel Craig's Bond is so good that the producers are OK with having the next two Bond movies focus on an aging Bond. IMHO, if James Bind has to die it's got to be done by Craig. It can be subtle with Judi Dench meeting him again at the end of Bond 25 awaiting but symbolizing the death. Maybe Bond's grave can be next to Dench's or Vesper's as a surprise. You really sometimes never know what surprises Sam Mendes is going to bring. But really, it seems like Craig's Bond is so good that the only way for new fans (new as in those who have become fans since CR, QoS, or SF) to accept the next Bond actor better. A rebooted younger Bond would be one way to go about succeeding Craig.


    ...what did I just read...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Bond is not going to die. I am so willing to bet on that.
    Interesting thoughts, but ... no.
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    He dies, when the franchise does. The prods AND DC will see to it, that he leaves it in great shape for the next to follow. I strongly believe, that despite some decisions, I can't understand, that franchise is more to them, then just a money cow. They deeply care...
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Daniel Craig's Bond is so good that the producers are OK with having the next two Bond movies focus on an aging Bond. IMHO, if James Bind has to die it's got to be done by Craig. It can be subtle with Judi Dench meeting him again at the end of Bond 25 awaiting but symbolizing the death. Maybe Bond's grave can be next to Dench's or Vesper's as a surprise. You really sometimes never know what surprises Sam Mendes is going to bring. But really, it seems like Craig's Bond is so good that the only way for new fans (new as in those who have become fans since CR, QoS, or SF) to accept the next Bond actor better. A rebooted younger Bond would be one way to go about succeeding Craig.


    ...what did I just read...

    After DAD I would have been quite happy for them to do this, but not now.
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    Daniel Craig's Bond is so good that the producers are OK with having the next two Bond movies focus on an aging Bond. IMHO, if James Bind has to die it's got to be done by Craig. It can be subtle with Judi Dench meeting him again at the end of Bond 25 awaiting but symbolizing the death. Maybe Bond's grave can be next to Dench's or Vesper's as a surprise.

    Your thoughts resemble some off my worst nightmares concerning the Bond franchise. Young folks( you know those who actually go to the cinema )are already quite disconnected to Bond (seeing him as an old fart),preferring Mission impossible and Bourne instead by a large margin (at least according to a young fellow living in my house, with whom I was standing in line at the supermarket recently).
    This M waiting at the other side for 007 thing would certainly not improve things (and make me puke big way). Simply terrible!!
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    Matt_Helm wrote:
    Daniel Craig's Bond is so good that the producers are OK with having the next two Bond movies focus on an aging Bond. IMHO, if James Bind has to die it's got to be done by Craig. It can be subtle with Judi Dench meeting him again at the end of Bond 25 awaiting but symbolizing the death. Maybe Bond's grave can be next to Dench's or Vesper's as a surprise.

    Your thoughts resemble some off my worst nightmares concerning the Bond franchise. Young folks( you know those who actually go to the cinema )are already quite disconnected to Bond (seeing him as an old fart),preferring Mission impossible and Bourne instead by a large margin (at least according to a young fellow living in my house, with whom I was standing in line at the supermarket recently).
    This M waiting at the other side for 007 thing would certainly not improve things (and make me puke big way). Simply terrible!!

    So the confessions of one "young fellow" counts more than the fact that Skyfall is the most succesfull film in the franchise? Yeah, young folks are already quite disconnected to Bond. My ass! Skyfall recruited many new Bond fans, from all age groups. And Skyfall's triumph at the BO should probably indicate that young folks (you know those who actually go to the cinema) were feeling quite okay with the film, shouldn't it?

    I must ask you, dear @Matt_Helm, will you one day enlighten us with posts that actually make sense, or do you intend to continue spouting out this hatefull, irrational nonsense?
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    Don't you see? He is just winding people up. He is probably a mod or Admin over at CNB and trying to recruit people from other boards. ;)
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 7,507
    Germanlady wrote:
    Don't you see? He is just winding people up. He is probably a mod or Admin over at CNB and trying to recruit people from other boards. ;)

    Now that's an interesting theory…. ;)

    Yes, I know he is not really worth responding to, but I just can't help myself sometimes... When his comments are not only provocative but also completely devoid off any logic or rational, it's too tempting not to point it out. But hopefully it will be a very long time until next irresistible temptation...
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    jobo wrote:
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    Daniel Craig's Bond is so good that the producers are OK with having the next two Bond movies focus on an aging Bond. IMHO, if James Bind has to die it's got to be done by Craig. It can be subtle with Judi Dench meeting him again at the end of Bond 25 awaiting but symbolizing the death. Maybe Bond's grave can be next to Dench's or Vesper's as a surprise.

    Your thoughts resemble some off my worst nightmares concerning the Bond franchise. Young folks( you know those who actually go to the cinema )are already quite disconnected to Bond (seeing him as an old fart),preferring Mission impossible and Bourne instead by a large margin (at least according to a young fellow living in my house, with whom I was standing in line at the supermarket recently).
    This M waiting at the other side for 007 thing would certainly not improve things (and make me puke big way). Simply terrible!!

    So the confessions of one "young fellow" counts more than the fact that Skyfall is the most succesfull film in the franchise? Yeah, young folks are already quite disconnected to Bond. My ass! Skyfall recruited many new Bond fans, from all age groups. And Skyfall's triumph at the BO should probably indicate that young folks (you know those who actually go to the cinema) were feeling quite okay with the film, shouldn't it?

    I must ask you, dear @Matt_Helm, will you one day enlighten us with posts that actually make sense, or do you intend to continue spouting out this hatefull, irrational nonsense?

    First about that most successful argument thrown regularly. The main reason why SF (and coincidentally Avengers, Iron Man 3 and, and,and) are setting constantly new revenue records is - of course - the Chinese market. When the powers to be in China decided to allow their people to watch western movies ( after judicious applying of the censors scissor ) they gave Hollywood an extra half a billion audience as present, which of course sets new records in revenue. It's just as simple as that.
    Secondly, stand Tom Cruise dressed cool hoody style, Matt Damon in green bomber jacket and gray stubbled Craig (preferably in SFs evaluation shooting scene ) next to each other. Who do you think young people can relate better to? Again,just as simple as that!
  • edited June 2014 Posts: 6,601
    jobo wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Don't you see? He is just winding people up. He is probably a mod or Admin over at CNB and trying to recruit people from other boards. ;)

    Now that's an interesting theory…. ;)

    Yes, I know he is not really worth responding to, but I just can't help myself sometimes... When his comments are not only provocative but also completely devoid off any logic or rational, it's too tempting not to point it out. But hopefully it will be a very long time until next irresistible temptation...

    It will get worse again when the time nears, but who cares really? Let him...its the dog peeing at the tree. What does the tree care?
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