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What am I doing wrong? Am I a bad parent??

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  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    @chrisisall you are not being a bad parent, don't worry. I think your son is reaching a certain age and trying to make him like Bond films will only increase his dislike for them. I might be wrong, of course, but I have seen many of these cases. For example, I had a friend whose father was a huge Star Wars fan and tried his best to make his daughter a fan as well. The result was that, although she adored her father, she couldn't stand SW or anything remotely associated, and refused to watch the films even if he begged. My opinion is that if your son is to become a Bond fan he will, but trying (even with your best intentions) will not do any good.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,163
    Sandy wrote:
    @chrisisall you are not being a bad parent, don't worry. I think your son is reaching a certain age and trying to make him like Bond films will only increase his dislike for them. I might be wrong, of course, but I have seen many of these cases. For example, I had a friend whose father was a huge Star Wars fan and tried his best to make his daughter a fan as well. The result was that, although she adored her father, she couldn't stand SW or anything remotely associated, and refused to watch the films even if he begged. My opinion is that if your son is to become a Bond fan he will, but trying (even with your best intentions) will not do any good.

    Great post @Sandy. My son can't stand James Bond, though he will sit with me sometimes and watch them. Unless you want to alienate your son, I'd take the advice as posted by @Sandy. Don't try and relive your life through your child, just because you like James Bond, doesn't mean your son has to. Yes it would be nice to share a common interest, but I'd rather have a good relationship with my son, rather than force them to like something that I do.
    We both enjoy Star Wars and Seinfeld, so we have a common interest that we both enjoy discussing.
    Rather than try to convert your son into liking Bond, why not look at things that you both enjoy together?

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    There IS a lot of other stuff we enjoy together... Star Trek, Dr. Who, the Prisoner, CHUCK, Stargate Atlantis, etc...
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited December 2013 Posts: 12,837
    chrisisall wrote:
    Dr. Who, the Prisoner, CHUCK

    Well Doctor Who is good, The Prisoner from what I remember was good and Chuck has Timothy Dalton so I'm assuming that's good too.

    So your son doesn't have bad taste really.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    Posts: 1,497
    As a soon to be parent, Bond will certainly be mandatory viewing in my house...hehe :\">

    But as others have said, Dr. No is a bit...how do you put it...dry for a first time view. Especially in the first half. It has a more 1950's feel in the dialogue, and the grand sweeping scores of John Barry aren't present as they are in the films to come. I would say a more modern film would be a good choice. One of the factors that led me to Bond was actually Austin Powers in the 90's. I had know idea AP was spoofing Bond films until I saw the Bond films afterwards. So maybe this is a segue in. You mentioned Star Trek, some of the more over the top Bond's have a slightly sci-fi element: YOLT, TSWLM, MR, DAF - maybe one of those?
  • OligarchOligarch Banned
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    He's young and most likely wants to see action, big stunts and fantasy on a higher scale. Sadly, I suggest perhaps you introduce him to the Brosnan flicks and see where that takes off,.
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
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    chrisisall wrote:
    My 13 year old Son is not a Bond fan. :O
    How could this be?
    He recently (two months ago) asked to see DN for a second time- this gave some me hope...
    But then he said he wants to see no more Bond movies.
    I feel like a failure.
    At his age I was practically devouring Bond movies.
    How can I fix this?

    *help*

    Buy him a remote control Bond car toy or failing that beat him with a big stick.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    The Prisoner from what I remember was good
    From what you remember? You don't own it? It's awesome! :)>-
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
    Posts: 1,143
    My own son is far too little yet for viewing Bond but I have devised a careful plan of slowly exposing him to the joys of Bond. He doesn't know it yet but many of the toy cars he plays with are Bond cars (only ones without the small parts to choke him obviously!)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Very crafty.... :))
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
    Posts: 1,143
    I know, I feel almost a Bond villain in the making with my devious plan!! :-))
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    chrisisall wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    The Prisoner from what I remember was good
    From what you remember? You don't own it? It's awesome! :)>-

    Saw it when I was younger. Danny used to love it. Might try to find a boxset online or something actually, I kind of want to watch it again now.
  • DrNoDrNo North Hollywood, California, USA
    edited February 2013 Posts: 81
    If he's a character over plot kinda guy, then Casino Royale is your best bet. It's what I'm gonna try to spring on my son this summer. He's a college kid and like avant garde stuff, so it's probably hopeless. Probably end up watching Kubrick movies (which is fine). BUT, he also likes the Nolan Batman, so I was gonna try either CR or Skyfall.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited February 2013 Posts: 3,494
    doubleoego wrote:
    Beat him! Rejecting Bond should not be tolerated in any household. Time to whip out the belt.

    :)) I can think of plenty of reasons to beat my son on a daily basis but not liking Bond isn't one of them! Thankfully I've usually have not had to resort to corporal punishment with my children but as I've said they tempt me often.

    First, my daughter could care less about action films other than the "Hunger Games" because there are teenagers in it, so Bond is a lost cause there. I first introduced my son to Bond at 6 but it wasn't until after QOS that he started taking a real interest. After 3 years he was well stoked for SF and like me is anxiously awaiting the DVD. Chris, there's no easy answer here but picking and choosing is not how I did it. I started him off with Dr.No and explained the history of the series as we went along because I feel that's a good point to stimulate interest, and it worked for me as now I have a 4th generation fan and hopefully he'll pass it along to his children one day. That's my suggestion.

    P.S- You are not a bad parent if it doesn't work, trust me. It's very important to allow him to be an individual and build a sense of identity all his own.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    TSWLM is a perfect place to start, surely?
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    My nephew discovered bond by playing the video games initially, then later asked his dad to watch the movies. Now he is mad on bond, think he has now watched all the movies except the most recent and the none PG movies.
  • SpectreNumberOneSpectreNumberOne
    Posts: 129
    chrisisall wrote:
    My 13 year old Son is not a Bond fan. :O
    How could this be?
    He recently (two months ago) asked to see DN for a second time- this gave some me hope...
    But then he said he wants to see no more Bond movies.
    I feel like a failure.
    At his age I was practically devouring Bond movies.
    How can I fix this?

    *help*

    Don't fret friend he's only rebelling as all teenage kids do, he's testing you as he knows your a serious fan by what is most likely a fained disinterest. Best thing would be to wait until the next film comes out, say your going to see it by yourself as he's not bothered & see what happens. If he's still not bothered so what, he's your son you'll still love him no mater what, been there got the T-shirt pal, mine loves Jason Bourne & he's 21, go figure?
  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
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    Let your son watch a action packed Bond film. Like Goldeneye, The Living Daylights, or Casino Royale.
  • Skyfall007silvaSkyfall007silva
    Posts: 121
    This is such a wonderful thread! Haha.

    I am 17 years old, and ironically , it is my parents and little brother in which I try ever so hard to convert to everything that is Bond. Have you tried Goldfinger? Goldeneye? TND will either make him love it or hate it. It is worth a shot.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    TLD, GE, or TND are my possibles.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    DrNo wrote:
    If he's a character over plot kinda guy, then Casino Royale is your best bet. It's what I'm gonna try to spring on my son this summer. He's a college kid and like avant garde stuff, so it's probably hopeless. Probably end up watching Kubrick movies (which is fine). BUT, he also likes the Nolan Batman, so I was gonna try either CR or Skyfall.

    It means nothing, trust me. After all, Bond fans are such a heterogeneous group. By the way, Kubrick worked (uncredited) in TSWLM.
  • W_PPKW_PPK
    Posts: 172
    When I was 12, I saw DAD. Yes, it's bad Bond film, but a good start.
    (The later was CR)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Sandy wrote:
    By the way, Kubrick worked (uncredited) in TSWLM.

    EXPLAIN, pretty please!!! [-O<
  • hoppimikehoppimike Kent, UK
    Posts: 290
    GoldenEye got me massively into Bond but ofc it's a bit dated now. Casino Royale would be my suggestion :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,823
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    By the way, Kubrick worked (uncredited) in TSWLM.

    EXPLAIN, pretty please!!! [-O<
    I cannot imaging in my wildest dreams Stanley Kubrick having ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with TSWLM aside from possibly commenting to someone on the crew that they should make it look nice.

    :))
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    chrisisall wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    By the way, Kubrick worked (uncredited) in TSWLM.

    EXPLAIN, pretty please!!! [-O<
    I cannot imaging in my wildest dreams Stanley Kubrick having ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with TSWLM aside from possibly commenting to someone on the crew that they should make it look nice.

    :))

    It looks strange that Kubrick had something to do with TSWLM, of all films. But Ken Adam and Claude Renoir were having trouble lighting the giant set of the interior of Stromberg's ship and Adam asked Kubrick, who helped him. I thought this was general knowledge!?
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,218
    Benny wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    @chrisisall you are not being a bad parent, don't worry. I think your son is reaching a certain age and trying to make him like Bond films will only increase his dislike for them. I might be wrong, of course, but I have seen many of these cases. For example, I had a friend whose father was a huge Star Wars fan and tried his best to make his daughter a fan as well. The result was that, although she adored her father, she couldn't stand SW or anything remotely associated, and refused to watch the films even if he begged. My opinion is that if your son is to become a Bond fan he will, but trying (even with your best intentions) will not do any good.

    Great post @Sandy. My son can't stand James Bond, though he will sit with me sometimes and watch them. Unless you want to alienate your son, I'd take the advice as posted by @Sandy. Don't try and relive your life through your child, just because you like James Bond, doesn't mean your son has to. Yes it would be nice to share a common interest, but I'd rather have a good relationship with my son, rather than force them to like something that I do.
    We both enjoy Star Wars and Seinfeld, so we have a common interest that we both enjoy discussing.
    Rather than try to convert your son into liking Bond, why not look at things that you both enjoy together?

    What they say. I wonder if the fact that you are a Bond fan has a certain influence over your son's disdain for Bond.

    I really don't think TND or TSWLM would work, especially the latter who got quite old (and IMO the most overrated Bond movie).

    Personally, I got hooked (twice! once at 6 once at 12) with TB, don't ask me why. Sure, I was tempted to fast forward the underwater scenes (which now I find part of the charm). But before TB, I was not a Bond fan and couldn't care less.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,218
    Sandy wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    By the way, Kubrick worked (uncredited) in TSWLM.

    EXPLAIN, pretty please!!! [-O<
    I cannot imaging in my wildest dreams Stanley Kubrick having ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with TSWLM aside from possibly commenting to someone on the crew that they should make it look nice.

    :))

    It looks strange that Kubrick had something to do with TSWLM, of all films. But Ken Adam and Claude Renoir were having trouble lighting the giant set of the interior of Stromberg's ship and Adam asked Kubrick, who helped him. I thought this was general knowledge!?

    Anthony Burgess (author of A Clockwork Orange) worked on a script for TSWLM, which was quite bizarre, with SM elements.
  • Master_DaharkMaster_Dahark
    Posts: 4,813
    If the kid isn't watching James Bond JR there's no cause for alarm ;)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited February 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Sandy wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    By the way, Kubrick worked (uncredited) in TSWLM.

    EXPLAIN, pretty please!!! [-O<
    I cannot imaging in my wildest dreams Stanley Kubrick having ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with TSWLM aside from possibly commenting to someone on the crew that they should make it look nice.

    :))

    It looks strange that Kubrick had something to do with TSWLM, of all films. But Ken Adam and Claude Renoir were having trouble lighting the giant set of the interior of Stromberg's ship and Adam asked Kubrick, who helped him. I thought this was general knowledge!?

    It's known now! Thanks bunches, @Sandy! >:D<
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