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I agree. Still, the stunts blended so smoothly with the plot and story. That is perhaps the reason the stunts didn't feel so much out of place. It should be noticed that I actually like that. If a movie only becomes memorable for a big stunt......well, than usually that tells something about the movie as well.
But actually more than that, it's about well choreographed and edited action. Having just watched OHMSS last night, I'm still on a high from the ski sequences. They're not particularly tricksy, but just looked amazing, even with all the back projection (infact, for me, that's part of the charm).
The parkour chase in CR is indeed spectacular, but somehow the elaborateness and overly contrived complexity of it detracts from it for me. I can objectively say it's a great piece of stunt work, but I don't personally enjoy it anywhere near as much as the ski chase in OHMSS. Or even, say, the Land Rover sequence at the start of TLD.
May be I'm setting the bar too high?
I thought about this statement for a while but concluded that it just strikes me as the statement of someone who has already accepted defeat.
The Bond series has set the bar so high itself and if you say that you cant live up to it then you shouldnt be in the job. As Star Wars was the benchmark for effects, Bond is the benchmark for cinematic stunts. Period. EON have to craft a good story and characters of course but they also shouldnt forget their responsibilities to Bob Simmons, George Leech, Willy Bogner, Remy Julienne, BJ Worth and many others. They should be out there hunting down the new Rick Sylvesters and BJ Worths not thinking how they can get away with doing stuff on the cheap with CGI.
Did anyone hear that radio programme with the last interview with Richard Kiel? John Glen was on there and he made the very telling statement that they wouldnt even attempt the ski jump today, it would be done with CGI. Babs and MGW sat next to him didnt utter one syllable to the contrary.
Well, I do think a guy like Sebastien Foucan could be seen as today's Rick Sylvester. Two days ago I saw the "James Bond: For Real" documentary on the "Casino Royale" BluRay. When I see that stunt team, lead by Gary Powell, working, I think there's not much difference from the stunts from, let's say, BJ Worth, Remi Julienne, Corki Fornhoff and Rick Sylvester.
I think it mostly comes down to be groundbreaking with a stunt. I must agree that "M:I GP" was better at that. Mountaineering on the Burj Kalifa.....simply marvellous. BUT, it doesn't make the previous Craig films more lacklustre because of its lack thereof.
I am quite convinced Bond 24 will do something great...stunt-wise.
Well I will agree completely that Foucan is the sort of guy we want to see involved in Bond action but that's nearly 9 years ago now. Since then we've had two Bond films without a stunt that has had the wow factor.
I don't agree that a lack of such a jaw dropping stunt as the Burj scene in MI doesn't make the Craig films more lacklustre. It clearly does otherwise we wouldn't be moaning about it. If Bond was the gold standard in stunts (as it always has been and always should be) then we wouldn't be discussing why it is that other films have more eye popping stunts at the moment.
I'm obviously hoping we'll get better stunts in B24 but not sure I can join in your blind optimism. I always got the impression with SF that Mendes was not really interested in the action scenes and basically used the PTS to deliver all the action he knew he was contractually obliged to deliver so he could then get on with the drama. Obviously at the end there had to be a big shootout and explosion but I'm sure he was just itching to cut to the scene in the church.
There really isn't any other film or action franchise that has used winter-sport based stunts in the last few decades (as far as I can remember, anyway...), so Bond bringing back some Alpine action would actually be 'original' in the context of the modern actioner/blockbuster.
Except "Inception" ;-)
Ugh, I knew I was going out on a limb by stating that :)
Ok, no winter-sport based stunts in any other film or action franchise that was set in the real world...
It's a matter of switching fast with your emotions (on which disappointment is based). Once the "snow" is only there for a few min, let's say only the PITS, then try to switch and enjoy all other things that you didn't thought of before ;-). Like Vesper said: "You switch off so easily". Don't wanna sound like James Bond now....or a psychiatrist :-o. Fact is.....enjoy certain things, this news, day by day without too much long-term thoughts. Being a fan becomes even more exciting that way.
Well, I have made this "list of locations" that we know so far from Bond 24 (most of them are confirmed). And a winter film it will most likely be:
United Kingdom (shooting days: not known):
--> Buckinghamshire, Pinewood Studios [location can be confirmed]
--> London [location can be confirmed]
Italy (shooting days: not known):
--> Rome, Via Quattro Fontane & Colosseum [location can almost be confirmed]
--> Caserta, il Palazzo Reale di Caserta [location can almost be confirmed]
Morocco (shooting days: 15 days, for both Casablanca & Tanger):
--> Casablanca [location can almost be confirmed]
--> Tanger [location can be confirmed]
--> Marrakech, Atlas Mountains [location can be confirmed]
Austria (shooting days: Obertilliach, 45 days, of which between 3 and 7 days inside village):
--> Altaussee (Lake Altaus), Jagdhaus Seewiese, log cabin villa [location can be confirmed, kicks off shooting in Austria, January 6th 2015]
--> Obertilliach, East-Tirol, large wooden alpine house [location can be confirmed, +25 min. screentime in film]
--> Sölden, West-Tirol, Rettenbachferner Glacier [location has been scouted]
--> Lesachtal , Carinthia [confirmed for long stay for cast and/or crew]
--> Lienz, Grand Hotel Lienz [confirmed for a stay for cast and/or crew]
--> Lavant, Dolomiten Golf Hotel [confirmed for a stay for cast and/or crew]
--> Dachstein, Dachstein Glacier, Styria [location cancelled completely by EON]
Where did you read that? If true....then I think it's a rather uninspired kind of chase no?
To give you an impression of Sölden and its Rettenbachferner Glacier, where many world cup alpine skiing events are held, here a nice video. You can see how impressive this area is, and IMO it's more impressive than the Dachstein Glacier, which is at lower altitude than the Rettenbachferner:
And just to amaze you, a few retards:
Sölden i]update[/i
Time for a proper update of the location sheet I made :-) (scroll down to the bottom of this post). Sölden has been rumoured many times as shooting location. It was scouted already in August. But above article from Tiroler Tageszeitung now more or less confirms it ( http://www.tt.com/kultur/kinoundtv/9261161-91/topspion-zur-hochsaison-sölden-macht-sich-bereit-für-james-bond.csp ). After Obertilliach, Altaussee and several Austrian hotels, we can now safely add Sölden and its Rettenbachferner Glacier to the shooting list.
EON Productions will be shooting in Sölden for at least 12 days: From January 8th till January 15th and then from February 9th till February 12th. During filming, the entire Rettenbachferner Glacier will be closed. Also the motorway in Sölden (the so called "Ötztaler Gletscherstrasse") that leads towards the Rettenbachferner Glacier will be blocked/closed. Helicopter landing pads will be used for safety measures in case something goes wrong, but will also be used for aerial shots.
It basically means that during that time tourists can not be skiing, snowboarding or doing any other wintersports in Sölden. To get yourself acquainted with Sölden and its ski slopes, please find following map down below:
Mexico
And then most importantly, suddenly Mexico is on the shooting list ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2833780/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Tarantino-villain-Bond-s-cunning-nemesis.html ). We only know "Mexico", but really no exact details. The locations in Austria seem to be the most extensive and elaborate shooting locations, followed by Italy (two locations in Rome and Caserta) and Morocco.
I have a feeling Mexico will have a similar role as China in "Skyfall". Will they do aerial shots of the Mexico-City skyline? Anyway, I added Mexico as well :-)
Pinewood Studios
It is interesting to know, that some typical Austrian Salzkammergut-boats, present at Lake Altaus (Altaussee) have been transported to the Pinewood Studios in Buckinghamshire. Down below you'll find an example of such a boat. They really look romantic, when they are completely dressed up with flowers.
SHOOTING SCHEDULE AS OF 15.11.2014:
United Kingdom (shooting days: not known, but kicks of December 6th):
--> Buckinghamshire, Pinewood Studios [location can be confirmed, kicks off shooting of Bond 24, December 6th 2015. Typical Austrian Salzkammergut-boats transported to Pinewood]
--> London [location can be confirmed]
Mexico (shooting days: not known):
--> Mexico-City? [location is mentioned]
--> Mexican desert? [location is mentioned]
Italy (shooting days: not known):
--> Rome, Via Quattro Fontane & Colosseum [location can be confirmed]
--> Caserta, il Palazzo Reale di Caserta [location can be confirmed]
Morocco (shooting days: 15 days, for both Casablanca & Tanger):
--> Casablanca [location can almost be confirmed]
--> Tanger [location can be confirmed]
--> Marrakech, Atlas Mountains [location can be confirmed]
Austria (shooting days: 42 days, for all locations combined):
--> Altaussee (Lake Altaus), Jagdhaus Seewiese, log cabin villa [location can be confirmed, kicks off shooting in Austria, January 6th 2015]
--> Obertilliach, East-Tirol, large wooden alpine house [location can be confirmed, 25 shooting days, +25 min. screentime in film, 3 to 7 days inside Obertilliach village]
--> Sölden, West-Tirol, Rettenbachferner Glacier [location can be confirmed, 12 shooting days]
--> Lesachtal, Carinthia [confirmed for long stay for cast and/or crew]
--> Sankt Lorenzen, Lesachtal, Wellnesshotel Tuffbad [confirmed for a stay for cast and/or crew]
--> Lienz, Grand Hotel Lienz [confirmed for a stay for cast and/or crew]
--> Lavant, Dolomiten Golf Hotel [confirmed for a stay for cast and/or crew]
--> Dachstein, Dachstein Glacier, Styria [location cancelled completely by EON]
To conclude this post, the location in Sölden and all its details now more or less confirms that quite a bit of "wintersports" will be featured in "Bond 24". No tourists can use the ski sloped all the way up to the Rettenbachferner Glacier. So can we expect 007 on ski's or snowboards ;-)? And as helicopters will be used, we can most likely expect many aerial shots from Sölden and the Rettenbachferner.
Why whining :-)?
I also found this translated part interesting:
Well, we can draw some "mild conclusions" now (I put it between brackets, because it angers some people if I make this appear as a confirmation):
--> The production team really need good weather circumstances, as most of the action sequences in Austria will take place in the snow. Based on experiences in OHMSS and FYEO, the production team must be aware of strict planning.
--> The action sequences will most likely appear to take place within/above snowy forests and inside the densely populated village (lots of houses there) of Obertilliach. That's why the production team also build extra wooden houses around the "Bond-House" in which the Piper plane crashes. So put on your jacket when you watch these scenes ;-).
--> The action sequence combined, looks (I'm not confirming) as big as the Skyfall-lodge action sequence. I can not confirm if this will be in the PTS or at the end of the film.
--> The story is not talking about filming on the Rettenbachferner glacier, which will be closed for tourists during two weeks in Janary and February. This could mean that Bond 24 includes not just one, but most likely two or more large action sequences in the snow.
Obertilliach:
Obertilliach wintersports map:
Biathlon Center Obertilliach:
Ski slopes Golzentipp, Obertilliach:
Obertilliach with Golzentipp Mountain top:
Obertilliach by night:
Forest of Obertilliach:
Village of Obertilliach:
Sölden:
Sölden wintersports map:
Sölden by night:
Innere Schwarze Schneid Mountain top, leading into Rettenbachferner Glacier:
Skywalk Schwarze Schneid/Rettenbachferner:
"A View To A Kill":
View on Rettenbachferner Glacier:
Alttaussee:
Altaussee wintersports map:
Altausseeer See (Lake Altaussee):
Salzkammergut Boat on Lake Altaussee:
Jagdhaus Seewiese, Altaussee:
Panorama from Hochanger Mountain top, that ends up in Altaussee:
Could this be the place where Bond finds the dead body of Hans Oberhauser, the man who has been a father figure to him? And then a ski chase is being set in motion, as SPECTRE doesn't want Bond to discover this....or actually DOES want Bond to discover it, but then SPECTRE decides he's of no use anymore?
AAAAAARGHHHH :D. Thanks for the news @Skullkrusher