Dominic Greene as a villain in QoS?

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  • edited March 2013 Posts: 174
    I kinda agree with you @Getafix
    The only difference, I think, is that I always thought that Silva was portrayed as a coward throughout the film.
    All his actions were cowardly.
    1.The bombing of Mi6
    2.The murder of Severine
    3.The murder of police and civilians.
    4.The derailing of the tube/subway train.
    5. Arriving at Skyfall in an army helicopter
    Then in the end he is such a coward that he can't pull the trigger.

    Great villain, but a coward.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Silva does come within killing M in the courtroom but does the usual Bond villain thing of pausing to relish the moment.

    I agree that Silva probably hates himself more than M. He's almost sorry when he see's she's hurt. He still "loves" because she was his surrogate mother in the same way she was with Bond yet hates her because of how she gave him up.

    I love the end scene because you see how twisted he is. He wants her dead but also wants himself dead and I suspect if M had refused and Bond hadn't shown up he would have just killed her and then himself.

    I have to agree. If bond had been late he would have found two corpses on the floor.
  • Skyfail wrote:
    002 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    I don't really understand the hatred QoS attracts, but then I don't get what people like so much about SF. QoS perhaps suffered from the script not being finalised but my understanding is Forster just changed a lot of stuff any way. I think he just does that. I don't think the screenplay is actually all that bad. It's god some decent enough scenes. Bond feels like the same charcter as in CR whereas in SF he seems to have completely changed.

    Because Skyfall is a proper James Bond Film- it has Humour (QOS had no humour whats so ever), a decent villain (who isnt a pathetic whiny frenchman with as much meanice as a girl scout), a straight forward plot (which QOS has no sense of direction- is the villain after Oil? no wait its Water wait what?-see no wonder why Neal and wade are gone), The Bond Girls in Skyfall were likable and not woodern or depressing (unlike Camille in QOS which is so forgetable) and there are no Bondisms and a gunbarrel which Craig walks like he shat himself.

    last but not least the editing of QOS is so bad that it makes people physically sick: i mean this describes the editing in 5 Seconds:



    Case Closed

    @002,
    I can see you don't like QOS, but I feel you are wrongly slating it.

    That's a mashup of many scenes with terrible quality, you can't expect it to make sense.

    Quantum Of Solace was a plot about revenge and about a man on the hunt for the killer of his lover , you can't expect him to be cracking jokes on it can you ;) and it has similarities with the Dalton era , its subtle on humour . Eg: The Fields-Bond conversations.

    I know you may not see it the same way but in my humble opinion the plot was miles and miles better than Skyfall ,Because of the enormous plot holes. let me show you why I believe so

    Watch this from 2:29 onwards.




    You see the amount of plot holes it has in comparison with Quantum's which was devoid of any

    and last Everyone I have seen agrees with the Quantum's gunbarell being much more better than the Skyfall's one in which he's stiff as hell and the graphics are poor .
    In Quantum He looks elegant and classy without that ridiculous haircut







    Judge for yourself ;)


    =)) You're kidding with that bolded statement, right? How many times did you watch this film?


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    Hey @SirHenryLeeChaChing ,

    I could actually tell you how many times I've watched most Bond movies :)

    All the pre Brosnan movies 3-4 times.

    Brosnan movies 5-6 times.

    Casino Royale 25-28 times
    Quantum Of Solace 35-37 times( I became obsessed as soon as I purchased the Blu-ray.Lol!)
    Skyfall 7 times.


  • Posts: 11,425
    actonsteve wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Silva does come within killing M in the courtroom but does the usual Bond villain thing of pausing to relish the moment.

    I agree that Silva probably hates himself more than M. He's almost sorry when he see's she's hurt. He still "loves" because she was his surrogate mother in the same way she was with Bond yet hates her because of how she gave him up.

    I love the end scene because you see how twisted he is. He wants her dead but also wants himself dead and I suspect if M had refused and Bond hadn't shown up he would have just killed her and then himself.

    I have to agree. If bond had been late he would have found two corpses on the floor.

    Your theory is that Silva is driven by a desire to kill M. This is clearly and patently untrue. He has ample and multiple opportunities to kill her and chooses not to do so every time. His motivation is revenge and this requires M's professional and public humiliation. He wants to see her destroyed. As to whether ultimately he has the ability or desire to kill her, I think that's very much open to question. Once she is destroyed professionally and he has her in his grasp he doesn't know what to do. In the end he doesn't need to because someone does her in for him. As for Bond arriving too late and finding two corpses - isn't that effectively what happens?

    Seriously guys. You're supposed to be the fans of this mediocre movie and yet I'm the one explaining it to you.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Getafix, Silva has a chance to kill M in the court house, pauses for a moment, and then proceeds to. If Mallory hadn't jumped in the way, M would have been killed then and there. Your reply to the other two posters is entirely correct, though: Silva's goal is to see her destroyed, ultimately not in the death way as many see.

    But, as I stated, while I agree with almost everything you said, he did have an opportunity to shoot M AND took it at the court house, he just waited too long and Mallory received the bullet instead.

    Personally, I thought it was obvious that Silva's original goal was never, ever to just kill M. If that was the case, why all the hiding out and mind games? He would have done exactly what Bond did: snuck into her house and killed her.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Silva does come within killing M in the courtroom but does the usual Bond villain thing of pausing to relish the moment.

    I agree that Silva probably hates himself more than M. He's almost sorry when he see's she's hurt. He still "loves" because she was his surrogate mother in the same way she was with Bond yet hates her because of how she gave him up.

    I love the end scene because you see how twisted he is. He wants her dead but also wants himself dead and I suspect if M had refused and Bond hadn't shown up he would have just killed her and then himself.

    I have to agree. If bond had been late he would have found two corpses on the floor.

    Your theory is that Silva is driven by a desire to kill M. This is clearly and patently untrue. He has ample and multiple opportunities to kill her and chooses not to do so every time. His motivation is revenge and this requires M's professional and public humiliation. He wants to see her destroyed. As to whether ultimately he has the ability or desire to kill her, I think that's very much open to question. Once she is destroyed professionally and he has her in his grasp he doesn't know what to do. In the end he doesn't need to because someone does her in for him. As for Bond arriving too late and finding two corpses - isn't that effectively what happens?

    Seriously guys. You're supposed to be the fans of this mediocre movie and yet I'm the one explaining it to you.

    I think the idea was to "destroy M", first break her down and then kill her (or that seems to be what he thinks he wants to do).

    There is one other opportunity in the film when he has the chance to kill M in person but doesn't and that is at the court (something he went through a lot of trouble planning and given as several staff members died prior to him dramatically bursting through the doors I highly doubt his intention was to simply give a speech about how this woman had done him wrong. Why else would the film have shots of him preparing his gun in the police van?).

    The bombing of Mi6 was "so she could see it" (pretty much Bond's own words). The end scene shows that, while he thinks he wants her dead, part of him still has some "feelings" for her hence why he struggles to ultimately pull the trigger. However I simply don't belive that Silva would just kill himself and let M live. If he were to die he'd want to take her down with him, kind of like a "mercy killing".

    I do agree with @Baronsamedi76 in that Silva was ultimately a coward.
  • RC7RC7
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    @Getafix's reading of the Silva situation is spot on.
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    Can we get back to topic? (And mea culpa, I know I often derail topics too). About the humour in QOS, there is not much but there is some and I do think it works (''She is sea sick''). And Greene said a few nasty one liners. Never too humorous to make us forget his evil nature, but just funny enough in a sick, sleazy way.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Ludovico wrote:
    Never too humorous to make us forget his evil nature, but just funny enough in a sick, sleazy way.
    And therein lies the greatness of QOS IMO- a nice coherent tone to the film.
    =D>
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Never too humorous to make us forget his evil nature, but just funny enough in a sick, sleazy way.
    And therein lies the greatness of QOS IMO- a nice coherent tone to the film.
    =D>

    Agree. I seem to remember some humour. Not a lot but what there was worked okay.
  • 002002
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    =)) You're kidding with that bolded statement, right? How many times did you watch this film?


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    i watched Qantum of Solace in the cinema and then on Dvd twice...honestly i hated it


    I can see you don't like QOS, but I feel you are wrongly slating it.

    That's a mashup of many scenes with terrible quality, you can't expect it to make sense.

    -the guy who made the video took out scenes from the movie which display Marc Foster's trademark for using handheld cameras and shaking them to display tension

    Quantum Of Solace was a plot about revenge and about a man on the hunt for the killer of his lover , you can't expect him to be cracking jokes on it can you ;) and it has similarities with the Dalton era , its subtle on humour . Eg: The Fields-Bond conversations.

    yeah but it is saddled with an side-story where the villians want a couple more dollars on everyone's waterbills-or is it that he wants Oil? nobody knows what the hell is going on with that. so what atleast Licence to Kill felt like a James Bond Movie (lets face it LTK had more humour) and yes Bond could have lightened the F%$(up when he drops the man off the building outside the opera he could have made a line)

    ah yes, the "Stationary" scene...i suppose that could be a glimmer of hope

    [/b

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    QoS was about Bond hunting down Yusef? Really? I thought it was about him trying to prove his loyalty to MI6 whilst hunting down Dominic Greene and other members of Quantum? Huh, guess I was just clueless all along.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    QoS was about Bond hunting down Yusef? Really? I thought it was about him trying to prove his loyalty to MI6 whilst hunting down Dominic Greene and other members of Quantum? Huh, guess I was just clueless all along.
    Colour me clueless as well. We can't all be rocket scientists I suppose. ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @chrisisall, you have that right. I guess we're part of that stupid bunch, huh? ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    QOS is in my top ten, I guess it's a stupid bunch choice after all. 8-}
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    chrisisall wrote:
    QOS is in my top ten, I guess it's a stupid bunch choice after all. 8-}

    You and I both. Oh well, we like what we like.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2013 Posts: 17,798
    A good review I agree mostly with:
    http://screenrant.com/quantum-of-solace-review-niall-4106/
    "It surpasses its predecessor in almost every way and delivers the best Bond film in over a decade.
    Shorter and more action packed, Quantum of Solace is a James Bond film for the new millennium. Unlike Brosnan’s swan song Die Another Day, the CGI is limited, and unlike Casino Royale the film doesn’t try to be too hip and trendy. From the pulsating opening car chase – you know that you are watching Bond"
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 498
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @chrisisall, you have that right. I guess we're part of that stupid bunch, huh? ;)

    Qos and Cr are my #1 favourite Bond movies, Can I also please join the stupid bunch :)
  • RC7RC7
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    chrisisall wrote:
    "It surpasses its predecessor in almost every way and delivers the best Bond film in over a decade.
    Shorter and more action packed, Quantum of Solace is a James Bond film for the new millennium. Unlike Brosnan’s swan song Die Another Day, the CGI is limited, and unlike Casino Royale the film doesn’t try to be too hip and trendy. From the pulsating opening car chase – you know that you are watching Bond"

    It's amazing how people read things so differently. I'm struggling to determine what was hip and trendy about CR? I'd have to give that accolade firmly to QoS, with a title song from hipster Jack White and a bunch of faux perfume advert montages. I think it's probably one of the more difficult ones to ascertain you are watching a Bond movie. One other thing that confused me about the reviewer, is he suggesting it's the best since TND?

  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,189
    I agree @RC7. I caught a bit of QoS on Sky the other day and thought "this films trying to be clever". Whether it be the unnecessary close ups of random objects/faces in a crowd and of course the fancy title cards). Quantum wants to be an "Indie" Bond movie. You get the feeling Foster wants to be "arty" and "symbolic", more so than someone like Campbell or even Mendes. A good example is the whole inter-cutting between the thundering of the horses above ground and the two men running underground.

    Skyfall has quite a few fancy moments but they feel like they are part of the story if that makes sense.
  • Posts: 498
    RC7 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    "It surpasses its predecessor in almost every way and delivers the best Bond film in over a decade.
    Shorter and more action packed, Quantum of Solace is a James Bond film for the new millennium. Unlike Brosnan’s swan song Die Another Day, the CGI is limited, and unlike Casino Royale the film doesn’t try to be too hip and trendy. From the pulsating opening car chase – you know that you are watching Bond"

    It's amazing how people read things so differently. I'm struggling to determine what was hip and trendy about CR? I'd have to give that accolade firmly to QoS, with a title song from hipster Jack White and a bunch of faux perfume advert montages. I think it's probably one of the more difficult ones to ascertain you are watching a Bond movie. One other thing that confused me about the reviewer, is he suggesting it's the best since TND?
    When He is talking about hip and trendy I could infer he's talking about the different feel Cr had when it reinvigorated the series, QoS With an action packed car chase scene it had in the beginning feels more in line to the PTS of other Bond movies, as opposed to the constant shift in time between the conversation and bathroom brawl that Cr began with.
    I sincerely doubt he was talking about White's performance ;) !
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,425
    I totally agree with that snippet of a review. One of the reasons I actually liked QoS was that I genuinely feel Forster actually captured the essence of cinematic Bond better than any film since TLD.

    I get the hip and trendy comment about CR as well. It's good, but it is a bit too long. QoS has some annoying editing at points (although most of the film is fairly conventionally edited), but IMO 'feels' much more like a trad Bond movie. Scenes like Tosca reek 'class' and yet they are done in the fun, thrilling way that used to typify Bond movies. I am not at all saying QoS is a classic but I agree it was one of the best Bond movies for year.

    How we perceive these things is interesting. I always felt that the Brosnan films, despite their constant nods to the past, were the least 'Bondian' in the series, as this all pervasive self-awareness and glancing over the shoulder is actually the antithesis of what makes Bond so great. CR I felt was a step in the right direction and with QoS it felt as if finally we had a Bond movie that had escaped the cliches and was really looking forward with confidence like the Bond of old. Then SF came along... Any way, I still maintain QoS is severely underrated.
  • Posts: 15,120
    Getafix wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Never too humorous to make us forget his evil nature, but just funny enough in a sick, sleazy way.
    And therein lies the greatness of QOS IMO- a nice coherent tone to the film.
    =D>

    Agree. I seem to remember some humour. Not a lot but what there was worked okay.

    And unlike say Elliot Carver, I think Greene remains threatening even when he jokes.
  • Posts: 498
    Ludovico wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Never too humorous to make us forget his evil nature, but just funny enough in a sick, sleazy way.
    And therein lies the greatness of QOS IMO- a nice coherent tone to the film.
    =D>

    Agree. I seem to remember some humour. Not a lot but what there was worked okay.

    And unlike say Elliot Carver, I think Greene remains threatening even when he jokes.

    Elliot Carver !

    =))

    The man is ridiculous and amusing at the same time
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 498
    Getafix wrote:
    I totally agree with that snippet of a review. One of the reasons I actually liked QoS was that I genuinely feel Forster actually captured the essence of cinematic Bond better than any film since TLD.

    I get the hip and trendy comment about CR as well. It's good, but it is a bit too long. QoS has some annoying editing at points (although most of the film is fairly conventionally edited), but IMO 'feels' much more like a trad Bond movie. Scenes like Tosca reek 'class' and yet they are done in the fun, thrilling way that used to typify Bond movies. I am not at all saying QoS is a classic but I agree it was one of the best Bond movies for year.

    True ^
  • RC7RC7
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    I've still not seen a convincing argument for why CR is supposedly hip/trendy. Don't get it.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,425
    RC7 wrote:
    I've still not seen a convincing argument for why CR is supposedly hip/trendy. Don't get it.

    May be hip and trendy is the wrong word. I'd say it's a bit pretentious and perhaps (only perhaps) takes itself a leeetle too seriously at times. The running time adds to the feeling that (IMO) it outstays its welcome a bit. Like GE, it's a slightly vain film - like it loves itself too much - 'look at me - I'm 'classic' Bond'.

    What I like about QoS is that it just gets on and does the job.

    It's a sense and feel that I get from the two films and OBVIOUSLY, many people will feel differently.
  • RC7RC7
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    Getafix wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    I've still not seen a convincing argument for why CR is supposedly hip/trendy. Don't get it.

    May hip and trendy is the wrong word. I'd say it's a bit pretentious and perhaps (only perhaps) takes itself a leeetle too seriously at times. The running time adds to the feeling that (IMO) it outstays its welcome a bit. Like GE, it's a slightly vain film - like it loves itself too much - 'look at me - I'm 'classic' Bond'.

    What I like about QoS is that it just gets on and dos the job

    I would have to totally and utterly disagree. QoS is so far up it's own arse in terms of style it can brush it's teeth from the inside.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 498
    RC7 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    I've still not seen a convincing argument for why CR is supposedly hip/trendy. Don't get it.

    May hip and trendy is the wrong word. I'd say it's a bit pretentious and perhaps (only perhaps) takes itself a leeetle too seriously at times. The running time adds to the feeling that (IMO) it outstays its welcome a bit. Like GE, it's a slightly vain film - like it loves itself too much - 'look at me - I'm 'classic' Bond'.

    What I like about QoS is that it just gets on and dos the job

    I would have to totally and utterly disagree. QoS is so far up it's own arse in terms of style it can brush it's teeth from the inside.

    ok , Now that's a picture I didn't need in my head :-$

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