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Dominic Greene as a villain in QoS?

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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    I totally agree with that snippet of a review. One of the reasons I actually liked QoS was that I genuinely feel Forster actually captured the essence of cinematic Bond better than any film since TLD.

    I get the hip and trendy comment about CR as well. It's good, but it is a bit too long. QoS has some annoying editing at points (although most of the film is fairly conventionally edited), but IMO 'feels' much more like a trad Bond movie. Scenes like Tosca reek 'class' and yet they are done in the fun, thrilling way that used to typify Bond movies. I am not at all saying QoS is a classic but I agree it was one of the best Bond movies for year.

    How we perceive these things is interesting. I always felt that the Brosnan films, despite their constant nods to the past, were the least 'Bondian' in the series, as this all pervasive self-awareness and glancing over the shoulder is actually the antithesis of what makes Bond so great. CR I felt was a step in the right direction and with QoS it felt as if finally we had a Bond movie that had escaped the cliches and was really looking forward with confidence like the Bond of old. Then SF came along... Any way, I still maintain QoS is severely underrated.

    Despite the fact it makes nods to Goldfinger, Diamonds are Forever and The Spy Who Loved Me ;)
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    chrisisall wrote:
    A good review I agree mostly with:
    http://screenrant.com/quantum-of-solace-review-niall-4106/
    "It surpasses its predecessor in almost every way and delivers the best Bond film in over a decade.
    Shorter and more action packed, Quantum of Solace is a James Bond film for the new millennium. Unlike Brosnan’s swan song Die Another Day, the CGI is limited, and unlike Casino Royale the film doesn’t try to be too hip and trendy. From the pulsating opening car chase – you know that you are watching Bond"

  • RC7RC7
    edited March 2013 Posts: 10,512
    :-))
  • SkyfailSkyfail
    Posts: 498
    002 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    A good review I agree mostly with:
    http://screenrant.com/quantum-of-solace-review-niall-4106/
    "It surpasses its predecessor in almost every way and delivers the best Bond film in over a decade.
    Shorter and more action packed, Quantum of Solace is a James Bond film for the new millennium. Unlike Brosnan’s swan song Die Another Day, the CGI is limited, and unlike Casino Royale the film doesn’t try to be too hip and trendy. From the pulsating opening car chase – you know that you are watching Bond"


    Not a single coherent argument I see :P



  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    Getafix wrote:
    What I like about QoS is that it just gets on and does the job.
    The more I think about it, the more I feel that QOS is like LTK, and SF is like TWINE.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    chrisisall wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    What I like about QoS is that it just gets on and does the job.
    The more I think about it, the more I feel that QOS is like LTK, and SF is like TWINE.

    Yup.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    Posts: 3,494
    SF could never be as bad as TWINE, if for nothing else but the presence of a better actor and Bond in Craig. Craig would have improved TWINE in my opinion, Brosnan was out of his depth.

    SF will very likely never sink anywhere near the level TWINE has, although a very small minority obviously would like that in order to justify their position. It's a pipe dream in my estimation. I do think it will fall a bit in general estimation as newer films come along and the next one becomes the current flavor, but I'll bet that in 10 years SF will still be a fairly popular entry for more than not.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    SF could never be as bad as TWINE, if for nothing else but the presence of a better actor and Bond in Craig. Craig would have improved TWINE in my opinion, Brosnan was out of his depth.

    SF will very likely never sink anywhere near the level TWINE has, although a very small minority obviously would like that in order to justify their position. It's a pipe dream in my estimation. I do think it will fall a bit in general estimation as newer films come along and the next one becomes the current flavor, but I'll bet that in 10 years SF will still be a fairly popular entry for more than not.

    Totally agree. SF is nowhere near as awful as TWINE but it has definite similarities and that distinctive Purvis and Wade feel running through it.

    I also entirely anticipate that SF will be 'fairly popular' - just like GE is now - in a few years time. That is exactly how I'd expect it to be regarded. What I would be very surprised to see is people still claiming it's the best Bond ever. But you never know!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2013 Posts: 17,798
    Getafix wrote:
    What I would be very surprised to see is people still claiming it's the best Bond ever.
    You will not be surprised then. Repeat viewings will manifest a well made movie with a paper thin plot and exceptional dialogue, hardly definitive or classic but entertaining and certainly in the higher general rankings as Bonds go IMO.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,120
    Getafix wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    What I like about QoS is that it just gets on and does the job.
    The more I think about it, the more I feel that QOS is like LTK, and SF is like TWINE.

    Yup.

    I don't really see it. Except maybe that LTK and QOS suffered maybe from a sort of ''second movie curse'', i.e. a second movie not as well regarded or as popular as the previous one, but I don't see the similarities. Yes, there is a notion of vendetta for both, but the adversaries are very different, the schemes even more so, LTK in fact is barely an espionage story (one thing I do not like about it), MI6 and the UK are much more involved in QOS, the aesthetic is also very different... Maybe I am blinded because I enjoyed QOS much more than LTK, but I find both movies to be very different.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2013 Posts: 17,798
    Ludovico wrote:
    I find both movies to be very different.
    You avoided the SF/TWINE comparison I see.... ;)

    And for LTK/QOS- both vendettas that end up taking a back seat to a mission, both killer Bonds, both suffering a writer's strike....
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    Skyfail wrote:
    002 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    A good review I agree mostly with:
    http://screenrant.com/quantum-of-solace-review-niall-4106/
    "It surpasses its predecessor in almost every way and delivers the best Bond film in over a decade.
    Shorter and more action packed, Quantum of Solace is a James Bond film for the new millennium. Unlike Brosnan’s swan song Die Another Day, the CGI is limited, and unlike Casino Royale the film doesn’t try to be too hip and trendy. From the pulsating opening car chase – you know that you are watching Bond"


    Not a single coherent argument I see :P




    No i find the review hilarious as it is utter crap... its about as real as Pamela Andersons Breasts.

    QOS better than Casino Royale? is the guy on crack? for starters Casino Royale is 1,000 times better atleast it feels like a james bond film despite having alot of missing ingridents (Moneypenny- who was in the original CR novel)

    CGI is limited? anyone remember the scene where Bond is out of the plane in the sky with a monkey expression on his face bloody hell

    yes the car chase the only decent thing about the film thats the only praise i would ever give for this poor excuse of a movie

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2013 Posts: 17,798
    002 wrote:
    yes the car chase the only decent thing about the film thats the only praise i would ever give for this poor excuse of a movie
    If I were not a Shaolin semi-Buddhist kind of dude I'd virtually beat your a*s for this remark, as it is, I forgive you for your dislike of quality in entertainment being your sovereign right as a sentient and distinct individual.
    Heh heh.
  • SkyfailSkyfail
    edited March 2013 Posts: 498
    002 wrote:
    Skyfail wrote:
    002 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    A good review I agree mostly with:
    http://screenrant.com/quantum-of-solace-review-niall-4106/
    "It surpasses its predecessor in almost every way and delivers the best Bond film in over a decade.
    Shorter and more action packed, Quantum of Solace is a James Bond film for the new millennium. Unlike Brosnan’s swan song Die Another Day, the CGI is limited, and unlike Casino Royale the film doesn’t try to be too hip and trendy. From the pulsating opening car chase – you know that you are watching Bond"


    Not a single coherent argument I see :P




    No i find the review hilarious as it is utter crap... its about as real as Pamela Andersons Breasts.

    QOS better than Casino Royale? is the guy on crack? for starters Casino Royale is 1,000 times better atleast it feels like a james bond film despite having alot of missing ingridents (Moneypenny- who was in the original CR novel)

    CGI is limited? anyone remember the scene where Bond is out of the plane in the sky with a monkey expression on his face bloody hell

    yes the car chase the only decent thing about the film thats the only praise i would ever give for this poor excuse of a movie

    Glad you replied,
    Haha@ Pamela Anderson's comment :))

    Mate,
    you still haven't answered the question since you haven't got a good argument against it.
    002 wrote:
    Casino Royale is 1,000 times better

    You haven't even given a reason.
    because I sincerely doubt you can think of any, it had no plot holes. It had the most action the series has ever delivered. I really don't see any need to hate on it! :)
    Cheers
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,120
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    I find both movies to be very different.
    You avoided the SF/TWINE comparison I see.... ;)

    And for LTK/QOS- both vendettas that end up taking a back seat to a mission, both killer Bonds, both suffering a writer's strike....

    I haven't given much thought to SF/TWINE, so I reserve my judgment on that one. I dohope this analogy is utterly wrong, not because of TWINE which I liked, but because I do NOT want Bond 24 to be a second DAD.

    There are some similarities between LTK and QOS, but I find them superficial. Even the revenge aspect is much different in both movies. LTK is a pretty standard 80s revenge action movie: a friend of the hero has been killed (or hurted), badguy is a druglord, hero resigns from his job, etc. Things are not so clear in QOS and as I mentioned MI6 is much more involved. And unlike LTK, QOS was at least more successful financially.
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    [[/quote]
    If I were not a Shaolin semi-Buddhist kind of dude I'd virtually beat your a*s for this remark, as it is, I forgive you for your dislike of quality in entertainment being your sovereign right as a sentient and distinct individual.
    Heh heh.
    [/quote]

    ah yes, Dislike of Quality in Entertainment
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    i have dismissed that claim as i do like quality in entertaiment and not wanting to sit through a 160mins of just aimless direction, agitated edit-obssesed editing with Charaters are so dull and lifeless whats the point..

    if Qantum of Solace is so full of Quality? then please Remind me of why the editing is abysmal ? Why the producers chose Another Way to Die as the song?

    the reason why Casino Royale is better is because
    A) The Bond Girls are perhaps the most gorgeous and likeable (and less dull)
    B) The Locations are beautiful
    C) Its "mostly" faithful towards the novel with some alterations (Vespers Sucide, choosing Poker over Carte Blache, Smersh replaced by Qantum)
    D) Its got Martin Campbell directing it who has a steady cam
    E) They have a decent Bond Song instead of some Autotune absuing Duet
    F) The Story is straight forward instead of Subplots which nobody cares- i mean Come on Enviromentalists?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    002 wrote:
    D) Its got Martin Campbell directing it who has a steady cam

    Hahahahaha, okay, that's both true AND funny, dude.
  • SkyfailSkyfail
    Posts: 498
    chrisisall wrote:
    002 wrote:
    D) Its got Martin Campbell directing it who has a steady cam

    Hahahahaha, okay, that's both true AND funny, dude.

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    He's given a lot of invalid points, you could have said a lot more !

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    Skyfail wrote:
    He's given a lot of invalid points, you could have said a lot more !
    He made me laugh. I got distracted.
  • SkyfailSkyfail
    Posts: 498
    chrisisall wrote:
    Skyfail wrote:
    He's given a lot of invalid points, you could have said a lot more !
    He made me laugh. I got distracted.

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    On a side note : I am watching QoS at the moment and oh boy ! that scene with Camille and Bond walking together in the desert is just so damn beautiful ! It has such a calming feeling . I just love it ! :)

  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Skyfail wrote:
    On a side note : I am watching QoS at the moment and oh boy ! that scene with Camille and Bond walking together in the desert is just so damn beautiful ! It has such a calming feeling . I just love it ! :)

    And it definitely doesn't feel borrowed from TSWLM ;)
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    RC7 wrote:
    Skyfail wrote:
    On a side note : I am watching QoS at the moment and oh boy ! that scene with Camille and Bond walking together in the desert is just so damn beautiful ! It has such a calming feeling . I just love it ! :)

    And it definitely doesn't feel borrowed from TSWLM ;)

    You can't borrow from yourself..
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Skyfail wrote:
    On a side note : I am watching QoS at the moment and oh boy ! that scene with Camille and Bond walking together in the desert is just so damn beautiful ! It has such a calming feeling . I just love it ! :)

    And it definitely doesn't feel borrowed from TSWLM ;)

    You can't borrow from yourself..

    QoS did a good job.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    RC7 wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Skyfail wrote:
    On a side note : I am watching QoS at the moment and oh boy ! that scene with Camille and Bond walking together in the desert is just so damn beautiful ! It has such a calming feeling . I just love it ! :)

    And it definitely doesn't feel borrowed from TSWLM ;)

    You can't borrow from yourself..

    QoS did a good job.

    Maybe it wore the same shirt twice, but it didn't borrow anything.
  • RC7RC7
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    Is this an English lesson?
  • Sammm04Sammm04
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    To be honest, Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid were a bigger threat to Bolivia than DG, and they only had two rifles and it was like 1908... Sheesh man, Dominic Greene needs to learn something from those two outlaws.
  • samainsysamainsy Suspended
    Posts: 199
    myworldisenough wrote:
    I think they got it right with Greene. He was ok as a villain but he was one of many in the organisation of Quantum and he couldn't have been worth that much to the organisation if he ended up with bullets in him. Elvis was perhaps the most useless and pointless henchman in the history of Bond. I think Mr White was underused and think his character was the most intriguing and had so much more to offer, with so much more to find out about him and his role in the organisation.

    True about Elvis but I like him, he was OK and sort of funny in a way.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,120
    Sammm04 wrote:
    To be honest, Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid were a bigger threat to Bolivia than DG, and they only had two rifles and it was like 1908... Sheesh man, Dominic Greene needs to learn something from those two outlaws.

    Well, Greene nearly did install a dictator in power so he could run Bolivia from the shadows, took over a major water supply in the country, fooled the American government... He seems to have learned from Noah Cross, not sure how Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid can measure to that. Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie, it is a classic, but BC and SK were in the end two small-time thugs.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    edited November 2021 Posts: 541
    I think he's an underrated villain, though his identity as a character seems to fluctuate depending on the scene. Which I find funny. With the writers strike, they were developing him as they were goign along.

    In some sense, he's supposed to be a realistic villain, not overly cartoonish, just a plain corrupt and sociopathic businessman. But he's also a goofball.

    His introduction of erractically stamping paper. Why? , and then the totally random "i hurt my piano teacher with an iron" scene. TLDR: Weird creepy guy is scary.

    And the "dont treat me like like im STUPID" was unintentionally funny. And him being super animated and squealing in during an axe fight with Bond.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    Posts: 541
    Ali wrote: »
    in Bond 24. Maybe, with hindsight, we'll be able to see where Greene fitted

    Oof.
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