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I am sorry if I caused some rage. Is not my intention. I just wanted to say: Let's be patient and show some empathy, respect and trust towards the Bond producers. I think it is quite isrespectful if one fan only says: "One Bond film every two years! No matter what! Get cracking EON dammit!!". I find that not nice.
We wait 4 years between QOS and Skyfall, if can accepted Bond 25 in 2017 so long we get Bond 24 in 2014 or January 2015. 6 Years between QOS and Bond 24 (The time between DAD and QOS is also 6 years). means it give you feeling we wait 3 years if released in 2014 and with 2015 it wil feel as 3,5 years.
With my opnion Skyfall is a movie who easy can be released in 2010 it feel we wait 4 or 5 years til Bond 24. With Sam Mendes already confirmd at the end of 2009, Skyfall can have been released in 2011. I understand like DAD in 2002 (2003! for The Netherlands) there choose for 2012 when it look like we don't get a movie in 2010 (what i think should have done), but DC 4th should not let us wait another 4 years. It is realy time we get another Bond movie after 2 years after Skyfall, so it be DC his second Bond movie with only 2 years like GE-TMND / TMND-Twine.
I mabey whant a 6th Bond movie with DC and whyle sometimes i stil don;t like idea Pierce Brosnan don't get so much time as Dc, with a 2015 or 2016 i think a 6th wil not happen in 2019!. Keep in mind i expect on this moment he wil make his fift in 2017 and then there 5 years to find a new Bond. Then there can let us wait.
The problem was that he also shook the camera lenses a bit too much too as much as I love QoS!
all the talk about BOND 24 as sent the film to the top of the HITFIX movie power ranking...
http://www.hitfix.com/news/movie-power-rankings-james-bond-returns-to-no-1
Yes, that was a good pun on @echo's post. And true... ;)
Thank you, kind sir. I simply could not resist that one, but I rate QoS in my Top 5 Bond Films!
Yeah, but the internet is made up of real people posting their opinions.
The biggest indication that QoS wasn't nearly as popular with viewers is the way the audience dropped off massively after the opening weekend. To take the US: CR grossed $167m and QoS grossed $168m. Almost identical. But take a look at what happened between the first two weekends on each film: CR grossed $40m on its first weekend and $30m on its second weekend - a drop in audience of only 25% (which is very good.) QoS grossed $67m on its first weekend and $26m on its second weekend - a drop in audience of 60%. That indicates that QoS had a bigger marketing campaign and people went to see it on opening weekend based on posters, trailers etc.; but it had much worse word of mouth - by the second weekend, some punters have heard it's not very good and decided to give it a miss.
Fair point regarding a similar box office, although I think a lot of that had to do with public goodwill stemming from CR. But on such sites as Rotten Tomatoes as an example of popularity, CR rates 87% to 62% for QOS. I don't think that it's just hardcore fans who feel this way, apparently the general public without our level of interest agrees.
I shouldn't have to explain the "turmoil", the issues that caused it are well known. I don't dislike QOS personally and I'd like to think that I find more value in it than the average poster, it's my opinion that they rushed the eventual product due to time and money as well as making other poor hiring decisions, and what we got could have been a lot better.
Or, to phrase it like a "know it all", QoS didn't prevent Skyfall from being a success, to say the least, so it certainly was not judged so poorly...
Once again, I don't mean it is closer to the truth than the opposite that is described above. I just mean you can always find what looks like "sound" explications for every direction you want to go in the movie business. Here, the fact that CR dropped "only" 40% on the second week end in the USA, is mostly linked to the fact CR wasn't even #1 on its first week end. Movies are released on a very competitive market. Both CR and QOS had to face an animated movie when it was released on the US, something Skyfall had not.
Happy Feet beat Casino Royale for that famous first US week end, it was all over the news. Let's say it meant DAD wasn't well perceived. Hm, the "rule" works then :)
Much respect, sir! =D>
Second, what you point out regarding the first and second weekends in the US is surely true, but didn´t QOS overall gross nearly as much as CR at cinemas? Correct me if I´m wrong.
Rotten Tomatoes is a site of film critics. Film critics never have and never will represent the public audience. I for one find myself more often in disagreement with their percentages than not.
As for QOS being rushed, I don´t see where that shows on the screen. I mean I respect it if people don´t enjoy the fast editing and other things, but I myself enjoy the film as it is very much in all kinds of regard. I think the timing of the cuts is brilliant, and I don´t think at all they look un-intended. I enjoy the villains, the girls, the fact that it´s such a weird approach to a Bond film (though not as uncommon as SF).
Here's a good comparison: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekly&id=craigbonds.htm
Yes, @Samuel001, you're right. I thought it was about 50%.
Even QoS's 60% drop off isn't too bad for a mega-budget movie. It's just that CR's 25% drop off was exceptionally good for a major movie.
Yes, you're right. In the example I gave of just the domestic US box office, QoS actually grossed slightly more than CR. But the overall box office just tells us how many people went to see a film. It doesn't indicate what they thought of it.
The thing with the weekend grosses is that we know CR was well-received because the audience kept coming back - this indicates good word-of-mouth and people watching the film multiple times. We know that QoS wasn't as well-received because it got a lot of people watching on its opening weekend and then the audience dropped off week-by-week. This indicates that the word-of-mouth wasn't great.
My pleasure. well, somebody has to rate and defend this masterpiece of a Bond film, don't they. I love the symbolism is in most. Craig gives a great performance in it too!
Not really, because you're comparing the weekend before Thanksgiving to Thanksgiving's weekend in CR's case, which is not the case for the other ones.
For comparison, Happy Feet lose only 10% in identical conditions. QOS lose 29% on similar conditions (Thanksgiving weekend #3 vs weekend #2 - Bolt even had more on #2 than #1 that Thanksgiving weekend), SF lose 15% (#3 vs #2 too, Lincoln did +20% in identical conditions), etc, etc.
Kids' films are an exception to the rule because word-of-mouth is not a significant factor for cinema-goers under the age of 15. They're usually taken by parents to see whatever the big animated film is during the holidays.
Art house / awards movies aren't hugely relevant because they usually start on a limited release and increase their screen count over the weeks if they're a hit. I imagine part of the reason why Lincoln would have increased its box office in the second week is because it would have increased its screen count too. (Also, don't forget, Lincoln was also exceptionally well received by audiences in the US.)
Think of The Avengers, The Dark Knight films, Iron Man films... The Hobbit, Harry Potter etc. The big franchises. These films will typically lose 50%-60% between 1st and 2nd weekend. CR's performance was very very good.
Difference between 2nd and 3rd weekend is much less important. By this time the reviews have long been out and word-of-mouth has spread.
I'd be seriously happy if a Bond film were ever to reach the heights of Leon.
So, I looked at all the movies for the last 10 years, which, like CR, were released the weekend before Thanksgiving weekend, that were not "movies for kids" (no anime, no Twilight, no Harry Potter), and that made more than $50M in the end.
Here are their drops from weekend #1 to weekend #2 :
The Blind Side : +18%
Walk the Line : -14%
National Treasure : -8%
Gothika : -33%
So, really IMHO, the -25% drop for CR has a lot to do with the circumstances (#2nd weekend helped a lot by Thanksgiving), it's not relevant to compare it with movies that are released in another weekend. I don't think Gothika had excellent word of mouth, and yet it did not have the "usual" -60% drop...
PS : Once again, I don't claim to prove anything, I just want to show how it's easy to reach another conclusion if you look at some figures in a different light. Personally, I find CR way above SF and QOS :)
To my knowledge, the only common point so far between Leon and the Bond movies is Eric Serra, whose music is not well received by many here !
I explained just 3 posts above that for SF, the Thanksgiving bias happened on the drop after 2nd week... Ranking aficionados should really look for the bigger picture !
If we remove the movies for kids, that week end we had :
Skyfall -13.6%
Lincoln +22.0%
Flight -4.0%
Argo -4.5%
Quite a different picture then eh ? :)
"CR did +40% on its 7 week, what an excellent word of mouth it had compared to SF 25% drop !" Or maybe it has more to do with the weekend itself (end of year), during which about all movies did between +10 and +50. Etc, etc....
Moreover, very big weekend openers, $70 million or more in one weekend ('Skyfall', 'Iron Man 3', 'The Hobbit', 'The Twilight Saga'), tend to fall down much faster in the first set of weeks after its premieres. 'Argo' and 'Lincoln' are more typical 'Oscar Movies': They tend to kick off slowly, but thanks to the Oscars and Globes they mainatin a pretty strong holdover. Which is easier considering the smaller amount of money they bring in during its premiere.