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  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
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    I found his style "gay" on outing like that, touching himself . I don't really know how BTW. It's subjective. I can understand I might be the only one thinking this. We're all different. @WillyGalore.
  • Zorin61Zorin61
    edited September 2013 Posts: 418
    CR is one of my favourite Bond films, and i love it from start to finish. If i were to give any criticism, which in my case would be nitpicking, i'd have liked Vesper to be a little less heavy with her eye make-up in some scenes. I thought she looked much prettier in the scenes where she wore less make-up. But other than that, i love the film to bits..
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Let me get this straight. @LicencedToKilt69007 expected a book adapted and set in 2006 not to use 2006 technology?
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
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    @Samuel001 : Not really, why not showing an old styled 007 (from Fleming I insist) ? A la FRWL style or even à la hitchcock nowadays. Instead of using the cell-phone etc. And adapt faithfully the original. Scene by scene, line by line. I don't think it was a bad idea.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm still ok with the actual film on average.
    (I like the current curve it happened with Skyfall...)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited September 2013 Posts: 4,491
    The 5 worst moments in CR:

    1. To much violence action. There happend to much in the beginning (PTS, Stairfight) and airport is to much 24/Die Hard and then that silly joke at the end. It be to much for introducing a new Bond.
    2. Vesper/Eva Green
    3. Dryden/No gunbarrel at the start
    4. Solange / joke Astin Martin
    5. The end with to much big gun and after so much violence saying Bond James Bond / End credits music

    And again not easy to complane about the Editing, story, the music, cinematopgraphy who be simalar to Twine, but for a part be responsible for the violence, not be enough drama-humor/not enough love scene between Bond and her, to much agression, Daniel Craig Monkey, direspect, to low rank for the movie, trailer who give another idea about the movie. Title song who not be on the soundtrack who be dificult to get too. The bad promotion of the movie. After QOS i like Mathis and Felix more then in CR.

    The first 2 things in specialy made that i rank the movie lower then Skyfall, whyle iam stil in doubt with future re-rank to at Skyfall to lower place and mabey under Casino Royale. Skyfall is by times to empty, but les violence. CR have Madagascar who i think also be bit to much DC monkey but Skyfall not have any good action scene, the first part of the PTC whas good, but stil Skyfall mabey missing one extra.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,480
    I love this film, it is a stretch to find 5 things wrong.

    5) Bond eating caviar in not the most refined way
    4) No need to mention Rolex, just show the Omega or make an Omega comment is sufficient.
    3) The sinking house in Venice seems perhaps a tad overdone, and I am not a fan of CGI
    2) The too convenient defibrillator
    1) The last 1/4 is perhaps a tad too long

    Note: Craig coming out of the sea and the "stripped of my armour" line will be on my top 5 10 list. ;)
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    0013 wrote:
    Thunderball wrote:
    3. After Gettler screams, "I kill!" with his gun at Vesper's head, Bond says, "Allow me". I think that's overdoing his feeling of betrayal a little bit...I mean he still loves her. I dunno.

    I believe "allow me" is one of Bond's finest lines from the whole movie (and Craig's tenure)!

    I like the line all right. Like I said I was scraping the bottom for anything I dislike about CR, when there's practically nothing.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    In his own inimitable (or should that be unintelligible?) way the Balje has made a good point amongst all the drivel he's spouting about too much violence:

    The DB5 is cringe inducingly shoe-horned in. We are having a bold reboot so why the need to give the fanboys this pathetic comfort blanket which was bad enough when it cropped up in GE and TND?
  • 00130013
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    I do have a problem with the DB5 but I forgot to mention it on my list. Why does it have to be a left-hand drive? It's incoherent...
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    I don't mind the DB5 since it's not tricked out with an ejector seat et al. Dimitrios had to have a nice car, why not have it be a nice vintage? It's much more shoehorned in Skyfall.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    edited September 2013 Posts: 3,236
    When does this Bond caviar scene happen? I've never noticed it.

    5. The apparently infinite amount of air in Bond's lungs when he's trying to rescue Vesper underwater.

    4. Solange's introduction. Call me what you will, something about it just doesn't sit right with me.

    3. Needless poisoning sequence, it was cool and all, but the bit with the defibrillator failing was just silly.

    2. "Rolex?" "...Omega"

    1. The collapsing house sequence.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,345
    @Soundofthesinners It's right after Bond wins the Poker game and Him and Vesper are having dinner alone and there having some banter and he says something like that was a really good line.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    I remember that scene, thanks Murdock. Guess I'm not that cultured, then.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Murdock wrote:
    @Soundofthesinners It's right after Bond wins the Poker game and Him and Vesper are having dinner alone and there having some banter and he says something like that was a really good line.

    I'm not sure exactly what he does wrong here. He doesn't tuck his napkin in his shirt collar or end up with Beluga smeared all round his chops.

    If he just chomps it down with gusto doesn't this tie in with Bond's comment in the book that it is merely good wholesome food?
  • identigraphidentigraph
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    1. Sinking House, just awful.
    2. Most of the dialouge between Vesper and Bond as poor as the stuff with Jinx.
    3. Unconvincing romance.
    4. PTS is very TV Movie.
    5. "Bond, James Bond" at the end just feels forced.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    I can only do three, I'm afraid...

    3. Craig's seems uncomfortable with his new found status as a "sex god", in the bedroom scene with Solange.

    2. I wish the climax wasn't so over the top.

    1. Bond breaking in to M's flat.

    P.s. Ivana Miličević (Valenka) was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer as Samantha Finn, in Season 6, "As You Were"! I only just found that out. I make my own fun...


  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    LIST 1: The 007 most intelligent Bond girls
    LIST 2: Your 007 favourite OT sequences by Maurice Binder
    LIST 3: Your 007 most annoying moments in a Bond film
    LIST 4: Rank the Aston Martin cars from the Bonds
    LIST 5: 007's 007 coolest moments
    LIST 6: Rank the non-Barry/Arnold scores
    LIST 7: Your 007 most sexy moments in the Bonds
    LIST 8: The 6 best moments of Bond in London
    LIST 9: The 007 best uses of the Bond Theme
    LIST 10: The 5 worst faces made by the Bonds
    LIST 11: Your top 10 PTS
    LIST 12: The 6 best scenes in OHMSS
    LIST 13: David Arnold's 6 finest moments in the Bonds
    LIST 14: The five nicest folks who ever played a part in a Bond film.
    LIST 15: Ranking the Glen directed Bonds.
    LIST 16: Rank the Blofelds (including NSNA and FYEO)
    LIST 17-60: The 5 worst moments in DN - The 5 worst moments in CR.

    <font color=orange size=5><b>LIST 61</b></font>

    <font color=green size=6> <b>The 5 best moments in CR.</b></font>
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    5 - PTS: one of the very best editing jobs in any Bond film

    4 - That last hand...

    3 - The train scene with Bond and Vesper. Brilliant!

    2 - Torture scene + Mr White drops by

    1 - Bond puts on the smoking, Arnold touches the Bond Theme ever so slightly...
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    1. The PTS. A fabulous introduction to the new 007. Noir-esq and sets the tone beautifully for the next two and a bit hours.

    2. The shower scene with Vesper. David Arnold really excels here with his score.

    3. The DBS crashes and the torture scene which follows. Wonderfully acted. Not enough credit give to Mads Mikkleson "But you are SO WRONG!!!"

    4. Bond's sadistic smile after Carlos inadvertently blows himself up.

    5. Daniel Craig. Quite simply a knockout performance. After all the trashing he got from certain corners of the press and some fans, he delivers on every level.

    (Also a brief mention to when Bond is cleaning himself up after the stairwell fight and his look into the mirror).
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    edited September 2013 Posts: 2,401
    Oh god. Time for another insane list from me. This film deserves way more than 5.

    20: The poisoning sequence. Leaving out the defibrilator part since most people loathe it (I

    EDIT: Oh wonderful. I go to make one edit and the forum eats my list.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    5. Parkor Chase in Madagascar.

    4. Bond blowing up Carlos and grinning about it.

    3. David Arnold's score. Finally got his footing for this one and kept the Techno elements to a minimum.

    2. Torture sequence.

    1. Pre Title Sequence.
  • Zorin61Zorin61
    Posts: 418
    So many brilliant moments in this film, its tough to pick only 5...

    5. The scene where Bond meets Vesper on the train in Montenegro..

    4. The chase in Madagascar..

    3. The scene where Bond get's poisoned..

    2. In the Bahamas, when beautiful Solange is riding her horse down the beach and Bond comes out of the water to a very John Barry style music..

    1. The beautiful, haunting music score for Bond and Vesper's shower scene, and thier love scenes in Lake Como..

  • RogertheclownRogertheclown
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    Can't do 5, so am extending it to 10 (even that is going to be a struggle!)

    1. Bond putting on the tux, adjusting the dickie in the mirror and the seductive and powerful score with a smattering of the Bond theme. A tour de force of a scene.

    2. "Yes, considerably"

    3. The entire Madagascar footchase with Mollaka from the snakepit right through to the embassy. Arnold's score is simply wonderful

    4. Bahamas plane + Bond's cool disembarkment + score = perfection

    5. Finger sucking in the shower with Vesper and the melancholic score. Once again, Arnold hits the jackpot here

    6. "That last hand...nearly killed me"

    7. Car chase leading into the brilliant torture scene. Mikkelson excels here as the desperate Le Chiffre - "You are SO WRONG!"

    8. Vesper's death

    9. Craig utters the immortal line for the first time - "The name's Bond. James Bond"

    10. The title sequence as a whole, but particularly when the 7 card gets shot twice making it 007 (very cool touch)

  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited September 2013 Posts: 4,491
    1. The poker scene be my favorite scene with Milkelson and also there take the time. Exept the what happend in between as result of the poisen drink and stairfight.
    2. Whyle i think in totaly the beginning be to much and DC introduced as Monkey, after four views i think now Madagascar scene (Started after the maintitle include) be til the moment of embassy break in think it is oke.
    3. Bahamas plane intro / Car parking Joke
    4. There are only 2 moments from solange, her introducing with the horse and her death on same beach.
    5. Mammie is very mad. Bond breaking in M her house.

    Because of the quistion be best moment and not best thing, i stil whant give a special credit for The museum statue. The museum scene it self iam not big fan, of course because it is part of Airport scene.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,480
    These for now but I can for sure add more ... bundling some together otherwise this could be a long list indeed; it is a very well directed, edited, written film:

    1) Vesper and Bond - pretty much every scene, especially their meet on the train, the shower scene, the casino scenes, his quitting to be with her ... well, yes, let's just say Vesper and Bond (Green and Craig - great chemistry, sparkling dialog; - very fine, believable acting)
    2) The fantastic title sequence and PTS - clever, brilliant, creative and perfect
    3) The stairwell fight - brutal, one of the best and most realistic fights, very well shot
    4) Bond breaking into M's apartment; and all of Bond with M, their dialog and relationship
    5) Mathis -a lovely character played with warmth and grace by a great actor
    6) Leiter - this Leiter is nuanced, fun, and enjoyable; I hope he keeps returning
    7) "This last hand nearly killed me" ... so Bond
    8) "You Know My Name" - the theme song rocked! and so appropriate
    9) The ending, breaking into the Bond theme - a great way to end a Bond film ... the promise of more Bond to come is palpable and the song slamming in on that very moment is inspiring indeed
    10) "Yes, considerably" - I know I already mentioned the PTS, but this one line is so perfectly delivered, it has really stayed with me. I just love it.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Can't do just 5 either, sorry. This movie is just fantastic.

    10. Bond ordering the Vesper martini.
    9. The way Bond distracts the guards at the hotel in Nassau. The way he smashes up the guy's ride and chucks the keys carelessly. Bad ass and hysterical.
    8. The opening titles and 'You Know My Name'
    7. Jeffrey Wright as Felix Leiter. Best ever.
    6. Any tension-packed poker scene between Bond and Le Chiffre.
    5. The chase at the beginning of the film, all through the construction site, up and down and sometimes through. Awesome.
    4. "Yes, considerably."
    3. The PTS, especially the fight.
    2. Bond's initial reaction to Vesper's death.
    1. Daniel Craig as James Bond and Eva Green as Vesper Lynd. Every scene together. Green and Craig had the best onscreen chemistry between Bond and a girl since OHMSS with Laz and Diana.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    Keep an eye out on this page, guys. I'll edit my list again to restore it eventually. There isn't some sort of cache on the site, is there?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Well, I have started copying (and then ready to paste back if needed) my comments. There is the automatic save draft, but if it doesn't save it often enough you can lose what you've typed if you go into any other mode. So I copy after I've written a bit, save draft myself, then go to wherever else and come back. Having a copy ready to paste back and helped me from time to time when my work has disappeared.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    Well, unfortunately, I saved it, went to add something to the end, and some kind of glitch ate 99% of the post.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    No particular order:

    1. The whole PTS segueing into the amazing title sequence. Not since GF has a Bond film grabbed you by the bollocks and squeezed so hard. Possibly the best 5 minutes I've ever had in a cinema.

    2. The stairwell fight followed by the scene when Bond cleans himself up. A stunning, brutal fight to the death followed by a pure Fleming moment as Bond questions himself in the mirror. Great acting by Craig.

    3. Vesper - sexy, intelligent, great banter and with the vulnerability of a classic Fleming Bond girl. And not forgetting, to quote Richie and Eddie from Bottom, 'a wazzo pair of jugs.'

    4. The card game - ok not Baccarat but it in all other respects nails the excitement and tension of the novel.

    5. The fact that apart from the first act of TLD its the first pretty faithful adaptation of a Fleming novel since OHMSS.
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