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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Elvis
    Blofeld (Chuck Gray)
    Vargas
    kratt
    koskov
    Boris Grishenko
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    edited October 2014 Posts: 7,653
    deleted due to stupidity
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    1. Graves
    2. Blofeld (DAF)
    3. Koskov (Regrettably. The only thing TLD lacks is a classic villain.)
    4. Stromberg
    5. Carver
    6. Blofeld (YOLT)
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    Darn I missed the bit of worst :\"> villain.

    Pardon my stupidity. O:-)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    So to clarify you rate the likes of Stromberg, Kristatos, Koskov, Whitaker, Carver and Elektra above Dr No and Goldfinger?

    That is what you're saying right? Or have I just had a brain haemorrhage and am currently lying on the floor, my oxygen starved brain imagining all manner of preposterous universes - including one in which people prefer the guy with the webbed fingers who sits pressing buttons all the time or the bloke who does comedy karate kicks to two of the series most classic Fleming villains?

    That is always a possibility, you would have to tell me. I would indeed rate all those you listed as being better than Goldfinger. Cue dramatic chipmunk...

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    As for Goldfinger, oh god, like the film itself, he's the stock Bond villain. Or to put it another way, he's immensely overpraised as a Bond villain.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Tbh, I rarely see GF himself getting the villainous praise he deserves. The film itself is overrated but GF as a character is an utter joy to watch. My favourite Bond villain.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited October 2014 Posts: 9,117
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Tbh, I rarely see GF himself getting the villainous praise he deserves. The film itself is overrated but GF as a character is an utter joy to watch. My favourite Bond villain.

    Apparently not. Hes just a stock Bond villain.

    Koskov and Carver really push the villainous envelope with their comic buffoonery in a way in which Frobe, in an almost perfect embodiment of Fleming's writing, does not.

    You really couldnt make it up.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    I agree with @TheWizardOfIce. I mean, yeah personal taste and opinion and all but seriously, Dr. No? He's THE villain, THE icon, even the Blofelds were modelled after him. He has charisma, depth and nuance, and he was performed brilliantly by Joseph Wiseman. Julius No is not just the first Bond villain; he's arguably one of the third best in the series. In a way, he is what Bond villains are all about.

    Still not convinced?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 2014 Posts: 13,978
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Tbh, I rarely see GF himself getting the villainous praise he deserves. The film itself is overrated but GF as a character is an utter joy to watch. My favourite Bond villain.

    Apparently not. Hes just a stock Bond villain.

    Koskov and Carver really push the villainous envelope with their comic buffoonery in a way in which Frobe, in an almost perfect embodiment of Fleming's writing, does not.

    You really couldnt make it up.

    With 'Comic buffoonery', I think someone just did. Koskov was a little worm, but I still would rate him a better villain than Goldfinger, even if the latter was a Fleming character. Not that is the be all and end all. I mean, I could like the character in the book, but not the film. Take Scaramanga, I think Christopher Lee is fantastic in the role, he plays it so much better than how Fleming wrote him in the book. Just because an aspect of the films is connected to the books, doesn't mean that it's above criticism. Should The Spy Who Loved Me (book) get a free pass just because it was written by Ian Fleming, even though Fleming himself regretted it?
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    Dr. No has a towering presence. I can understand him not being your favorite but bottom 6???
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    Dr. No is the best Sean Connery Bond villain...
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    In no order:

    Dominic Green
    Koskov
    Kristatos
    Whitaker
    Stromberg


    Coem to think about it there weren't that many really good villains...most of them were there just to serve a purpouse as a villain without much depth or complexity.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Dr. No is the best Sean Connery Bond villain...

    I don't think I would argue with you. I love Goldfinger and Largo and even YOLT Blofeld but Dr. No is probably the greatest of them.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    You're all wrong! Rosa Klebb is the best Connery villain! I can't bellieve no one's mentioning her! :>
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    @jobo, we're talking about the worst villains. ;-)
  • jobojobo
    edited October 2014 Posts: 7,507
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @jobo, we're talking about the worst villains. ;-)


    Oh really?
    doubleoego wrote: »
    The film itself is overrated but GF as a character is an utter joy to watch. My favourite Bond villain.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Julius No is not just the first Bond villain; he's arguably one of the third best in the series. In a way, he is what Bond villains are all about.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Dr. No is the best Sean Connery Bond villain...
    ThighsOfXenia wrote: »
    I don't think I would argue with you. I love Goldfinger and Largo and even YOLT Blofeld but Dr. No is probably the greatest of them.


    You sure? ;)
  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
    Posts: 578
    6. Brad Whitaker
    5. Aris Kristatos
    4. General Koskov
    3. Ernst Stavro Blofeld DAF
    2. Gustav Graves
    1. Dominic Greene
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    6. Domninic Greene
    5. Gustav Graves
    4. Aris Kristatos
    3. Ernst Stavro Blofeld (DAF)
    2. Brad Whitaker
    1. Kamal Khan
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Soundofthesinners wrote: »
    1. Kamal Khan

    @Benny will have your guts for garters!
  • Sammm04Sammm04
    Posts: 479
    6) Franz Sanchez
    5) Karl Stromberg
    4) Brad Whitake
    3) General Koskov
    2) Gustav Graves
    1) Dominic Greene
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,572
    6. Stromberg (although, any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad)
    5. Gustav (that unjustifiable swagger- you can't kill my dreams can kill you, Mr Bond)
    4. Greene (don't talk to me like I'm one of the 6th worst villains- it's unattractive)
    3. Carver (delicious or pathetic? give the people what they want, Elliot)
    2. Georgi (anyone who wears a shoe on his hand can't be that brilliant)
    1. Ernst (DAF) (we're showing a bit more cheese than usual, aren't we?)
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    6. Ernst Stavro Blofeld (DAF)
    5. Georgi Koskov
    4. Karl Stromberg
    3. Auric Goldfinger
    2. Dominic Greene
    1. Gustav Graves
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Is it bad that I find Gustav Graves hilarious eventhough he's one of the worst villains?
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    I like him very much when we first meet him after his parachute entrance and when he fences with Bond. Apart from those scenes, pretty poor.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    LIST 1: The 007 most intelligent Bond girls
    LIST 2: Your 007 favourite OT sequences by Maurice Binder
    LIST 3: Your 007 most annoying moments in a Bond film
    LIST 4: Rank the Aston Martin cars from the Bonds
    LIST 5: 007's 007 coolest moments
    LIST 6: Rank the non-Barry/Arnold scores
    LIST 7: Your 007 most sexy moments in the Bonds
    LIST 8: The 6 best moments of Bond in London
    LIST 9: The 007 best uses of the Bond Theme
    LIST 10: The 5 worst faces made by the Bonds
    LIST 11: Your top 10 PTS
    LIST 12: The 6 best scenes in OHMSS
    LIST 13: David Arnold's 6 finest moments in the Bonds
    LIST 14: The five nicest folks who ever played a part in a Bond film.
    LIST 15: Ranking the Glen directed Bonds.
    LIST 16: Rank the Blofelds (including NSNA and FYEO)
    LIST 17-65: The 5 worst moments in DN - The 5 best moments in SF.
    LIST 66-71: The 5 best things about Connery's Bond.- The 5 best things about Craig's Bond.
    LIST 72: The 5 best non-Bond roles for Sean Connery.
    LIST 73: Name 7 still living directors you want to do a Bond film.
    LIST 74: Five favourite franchises inspired by Bond.
    LIST 75-80: Five things the Moore Bond did that you never would. - Brosnan - Connery - Dalton - Craig - Lazenby
    LIST 81-85: Your 5 favourite one night stands from the 60s. - 2000s including SF.
    LIST 86: Six things NSNA did better than TB.
    LIST 87: Six Bonds that were significantly weaker than their predecessor.
    LIST 88: Six Bonds that were significantly stronger than their predecessor.
    LIST 89: Rank Arnold's Bond scores.
    LIST 90-114: The five most conspicuous characters (not Bond!) of DN-SF: coolest, prettiest, dumbest, funniest, most tragic.
    LIST 115: Rank your six favourite establishing shots.
    LIST 116: Five 'funny' moments you regret are in a Bond film.
    LIST 117: Rank your 6 favourite 007 moments in America.
    LIST 118: Who are the 7 dumbest Bond girls?
    LIST 119: Rank the John Barry scores
    LIST 120: Which six Bond girls have the loveliest face?
    LIST 121: Rank the M's (including NSNA and CR67)
    LIST 122: Your six favourite 'random' gadgets in Q's lab.
    LIST 123: Your six favourite conditions under which to watch a Bond film.
    LIST 124: Six moments when Bond came closest to defeat.
    LIST 125: 5 most amazing stunts ever performed in a Bond film.
    LIST 126: Six characters you wish had never been in a Bond film.
    LIST 127: Six locations from the Bond films that were totally underused.
    LIST 128: Your top 7 of male actors who have passed away but should have been in a Bond film.
    LIST 129: Your top 7 of actresses of 50 or older who should be cast in a Bond film.
    LIST 130: 7 crew members whose (temporary or permanent) absence can/could be felt most.
    LIST 131: Six favourite scenes with animals in the Bond films.
    LIST 132: Seven mistakes they have made in the Bonds.
    LIST 133: Six things you do a few hours before watching a new Bond film.
    LIST 134: Seven reasons why you are a Bond fan.
    LIST 135: Rank Guy Hamilton's Bond films.
    LIST 136: Your 007 favourite Bond - M conversations.
    LIST 137: Six things your favourite Bond spoofs actually did better than the Bond films themselves.
    LIST 138: Rank the decades of Bond movies.
    LIST 139: List your 6 favourite parties / fun events in the Bond films.
    LIST 142: 6 Best musical moments in DN - GF
    LIST 143: 7 visually most beautiful moments in the Craig films.
    LIST 144: Rank the Kleinman OT sequences.
    LIST 145: Rank the Moneypenny's.
    LIST 146: Your 6 favourite car chases.
    LIST 147: Your 7 favourite Ken Adam sets.
    LIST 148: Which 5 Oscars would you retroactively give MR?
    LIST 149: Top 6 dresses worn by Bond girls.
    LIST 150: Rank the Bonds in the best dressed category.
    LIST 151: Six worst villains.

    <font color=orange size=5><b>LIST 152</b></font>

    <font color=green size=6> <b>Bond's 6 kindest moments</b></font>
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    6 - Not missing Kara's performance

    5 - Advising Corine at the end of QOS

    4 - Comforting Melina in the sled

    3 - Talking to Tracy about her being in some kind of trouble, offering his help

    2 - Comforting a crying Tracy in Corsica

    1 - Shower scene in CR
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    No other lists? :-O
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    6 - Not missing Kara's performance

    5 - Advising Corine at the end of QOS

    4 - Comforting Melina in the sled

    3 - Talking to Tracy about her being in some kind of trouble, offering his help

    2 - Comforting a crying Tracy in Corsica

    1 - Shower scene in CR

    You got #1, for sure. It starts there.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,572
    6 - Missing his flight to play 'indoor golf' with Sylvia
    5 - Allowing Ruby to draw on his leg
    4 - Offering Anya helpful driving tips
    3 - Stopping the ferris wheel for Kara so she can 'admire the view'
    2 - Going out of his way to scratch Paris Carver's itchy shoulder, even though his hands are full
    1 - Remembering to thank Dimitrios for the cellphone
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    SC - Not slapping Honey knowing she's killed before
    GL - Not shagging all of the Angels
    RM - Allowing May Day to take the bomb out of the mine
    TD - Handing Lupe off to El Presidente
    PB - Giving Paris and Elektra one last kiss even if they weren't able to enjoy it
    DC- Not shooting Severine
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