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  • Posts: 498
    bondbat007 wrote:
    Wow even if you don't like Skyfall you can't deny that Logan has written some great scripts. Gladiator, Sweeny Todd, and Hugo are just some of which comes to mind. Don't let your (unjust) hatred for Skyfall blind you of Logan's talent

    How can you justify that when Skyfall's plot is riddled with holes.
    Yet when P&W made a complex plot with no holes and clubbed it with exceptional dialogues like this scene in Casino Royale, we still find the need to bash them



    Internet Bond Fans-Something I'll never quite understand.
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    Skyfail wrote:
    bondbat007 wrote:
    Wow even if you don't like Skyfall you can't deny that Logan has written some great scripts. Gladiator, Sweeny Todd, and Hugo are just some of which comes to mind. Don't let your (unjust) hatred for Skyfall blind you of Logan's talent

    How can you justify that when Skyfall's plot is riddled with holes.
    Yet when P&W made a complex plot with no holes and clubbed it with exceptional dialogues like this scene in Casino Royale, we still find the need to bash them



    Internet Bond Fans-Something I'll never quite understand.

    Says you, who thinks QoS has no plot holes, as I recall you saying? =))

    If you think for a minute that P&W wrote that dialogue, think again. That is what Haggis was there for, to fix things up where they left it hanging, no doubt in the dialogue department if their past work is any indication. :))
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    I like Purvis and Wade. I strongly belive that they came up with some great ideas that were thrown out. And @Skyfail, the scene above has been well documented as being strongly rewritten by Paul Haggis
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    If Haggis wrote it , then why not get him back ?

    Says you, who thinks QoS has no plot holes, as I recall you saying? =))

    Oh, Enlighten me then


  • edited March 2013 Posts: 498
    All I am saying is , Logan riddled Skyfall with holes, fans wanting him to return astounds me.

    In the end we will be the only one who suffers.
  • I'm hoping it's Matthew Vaughan (Layer Cake, X-Men 1st Class) or Joe Wright (Hanna) at this point. Looks like Vaughan has a gap in his schedule too on imdb ;)
  • Skyfail wrote:
    All I am saying is , Logan riddled Skyfall with holes, fans wanting him to return astounds me.

    In the end we will be the only one who suffers.

    I don't get why they don't revisit Fleming and maybe tie in Riscio and The Hildebrand Rarity or something.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited March 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Skyfail wrote:
    If Haggis wrote it , then why not get him back ?

    Says you, who thinks QoS has no plot holes, as I recall you saying? =))

    Oh, Enlighten me then


    It took me a while to go through all the threads you have commented in, but in this thread on page 6:
    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/5680/dominic-greene-as-a-villain-in-qos-what-went-wrong/p6

    You commented in response to @002 who said you were basically crazy for thinking QoS was better than CR, where you stated:
    Skyfail wrote:
    002 wrote:
    Casino Royale is 1,000 times better

    You haven't even given a reason.
    because I sincerely doubt you can think of any, it had no plot holes. It had the most action the series has ever delivered. I really don't see any need to hate on it! :)
    Cheers

    Now, I love QoS too, but I am not blind.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 498
    Yes, I did say that ,

    When I say "Enlighten me".
    I mean on the plot holes that I am not aware of which you seem to have found.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Skyfail wrote:
    Yes, I did say that ,

    When I said "Enlighten me".
    I meant on the plot holes that I was not aware of which you seem to have found.
    *Bond has a completely different hair style and is dressed entirely differently than he is at the end of CR, which this starts just minutes after.

    *Bolivia has no desert. It has a large highland called altiplano and the world's second largest salt desert. Both look totally different than the landscapes shown in the movie.

    *During the film, Bond flies to the airport in Bregenz, Austria. There is no airport in Bregenz.

    *How does White escape Siena while shot and bleeding, especially since M is directly near the location? And he look fine not long after at Bregenz.

    *Bond is yelled at by M for supposedly shooting Haines's bodyguard at TOSCA, yet it was Greene and his men who did that. Why didn't Bond speak up and say something?

    *Bond's credit cards and passports are blocked, yet he is able to locate and ride to Mathis's place to meet him. He also tells the lady at the desk to tell whoever phones that he is in Cairo. What sense does that make? Better yet, how do they know Mathis isn't innocent and how did they interrogate him?

    *How did MI6 track down Yusef when there really wasn't any information gotten regarding his location? Bond says he got all he needed to hear from Greene, yet he actually didn't hear anything at all about anything from him.

    *Just as Bond and Camille are about to die (or Bond was going to shoot her?) a panel magically falls revealing tanks Bond shoots to escape.

    *Bond and Camille just so happen to fall into a sink hole that leads them to discover Greene's plot and they somehow escape the hole.

    *We are to believe that Beam was somehow working with Greene, yet we never actually see any evidence of this besides a little CIA interaction with him. It was sloppily dealt with and leaves you scratching your head.

    *Greene was found shot twice, yet also had the oil in his stomach. So if it was Quantum who somehow found him, then why would they have him drink the oil too if they were just going to shoot him? If they already found him dead, what sense does it make to shot him after he is already dead?

    *Who murdered Fields, and how did she have enough time to warn Bond about something happening? When she wrote RUN was she warning him about MI6 or Quantum?

    I could go on and on and on...

    I am sure the QoS haters would be happy to oblige in continuing as well; they won't get any complaints from me.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I love QoS (as I have extensively said before) but it's as full of holes as a slice of Edamer cheese, I'm sure if I pop the DVD on I'll find a few more.
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    Sandy wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I love QoS (as I have extensively said before) but it's as full of holes as a slice of Edamer cheese, I'm sure if I pop the DVD on I'll find a few more.
    Haha, there are even some moments where you can't even call them plot holes for sure because you can't see what is going on clearly enough to judge it in the first place, like the end of the boat chase.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 498


    *Bond has a completely different hair style and is dressed entirely differently than he is at the

    end of CR, which this starts just minutes after.

    Cr had a deal with Brioni for the suits while Qos suits were from Tom Ford .Its the same
    as in Skyfall after Silva was captured Bond's hair suddenly grow when he is in

    the interogation room

    LOL. I cannot belive you actually cited that as a plot hole . =))

    .
    *Bolivia has no desert. It has a large highland called altiplano and the world's second largest salt

    desert. Both look totally different than the landscapes shown in the movie.

    google the picture of it yourself and you'll see how simillar they look. Almost every big budget

    movie are shot in places where it isn't really at , If a Bond movie is set in the dangerous

    neighbourhoods of Pakistan or Iraq ,will you actually expect them to show it. I lived in one of the

    locations in the recent academey nominated "Zero Dark Thirty"for almost 15 years I can pin point every single difference between

    the movie and how its in real.

    Oh and thats a plot hole now ! :)
    *How does White escape Siena while shot and bleeding, especially since M is directly near the

    location? And he look fine not long after at Bregenz.
    Thats what we are supossed to think about , there could have been another agent around the

    premises which helped him. Directors like Scorsese and Nolan , often use this device in

    which leaves the audiences thinking.

    *Bond is yelled at by M for supposedly shooting Haines's bodyguard at TOSCA, yet it was Greene

    and his men who did that. Why didn't Bond speak up and say something?
    Becuase Bond was conviniently supossed to expect her to put an alert on his passport for this, when

    she didn't lay a finger on him for shooting up an embassy in Casino Royale :)
    *Bond's credit cards and passports are blocked, yet he is able to

    locate and ride to Mathis's place to meet him. He also tells the lady at the desk to tell whoever

    phones that he is in Cairo. What sense does that make? Better yet, how do they know Mathis isn't

    innocent and how did they interrogate him?

    Bond must have driven over there , simillarly we see him stealing a car at the beginning of the

    movie.After all, he's a spy, and travelling unnoticed without even in enemy territory should be part

    of his training.

    *How did MI6 track down Yusef when there really wasn't any information gotten regarding his

    location? Bond says he got all he needed to hear from Greene, yet he actually didn't hear anything

    at all about anything from him.

    They didn't show the conversation regarding Quantum with Greene. They obviously needed to keep

    the air of seecrecy around the organisation. I cannot believe you actually passed that as a plot

    hole.

    *Just as Bond and Camille are about to die (or Bond was going to shoot her?) a panel magically falls

    revealing tanks Bond shoots to escape.

    the pannel falls by the fire revealing the tanks. so whats the plot hole ?


    *Bond and Camille just so happen to fall into a sink hole that leads them to discover Greene's plot

    and they somehow escape the hole.

    Yes, they fall into the sink hole which reveals water which leads Bond to assume thats what

    Greene's after , They could have fallen into any over there that would reveal the same.

    *We are to believe that Beam was somehow working with Greene, yet we never actually see any

    evidence of this besides a little CIA interaction with him. It was sloppily dealt with and leaves you

    scratching your head.
    Scratching your head maybe,Not mine. It was crystal clear to me and I don't see whats so hard to get about how an official is curropted



    *Greene was found shot twice, yet also had the oil in his stomach. So if it was Quantum who

    somehow found him, then why would they have him drink the oil too if they were just going to shoot

    him? If they already found him dead, what sense does it make to shot him after he is already

    dead?


    *Who murdered Fields, and how did she have enough time to warn Bond about something happening?

    When she wrote RUN was she warning him about MI6 or Quantum?


    These again are not even remotely close to being 'plot holes', running out of steam are we?

    Anything could have happened to Fields its up to the audience to think about. Unless you like being

    spoon fed information. She could have been downstairs when she saw suspicous figures entering the

    building and she must have written the note. While she went upstairs they would have followed her

    and done the deed.

    The oil, That is a macabre symbol from the organisation, real world killers like the Zodiac killer and the

    lipstick killer had their own symbols.

    I have answered each and every one of those points , None of them are plot holes. But you still side with Logan who came up with the ridiculous Silva's plan and Hacking scenes which make techies like me cringe.

    About the Quantum haters, a casual saying is- 'haters gonna hate'.
  • Posts: 4,412
    Skyfail wrote:
    bondbat007 wrote:
    Wow even if you don't like Skyfall you can't deny that Logan has written some great scripts. Gladiator, Sweeny Todd, and Hugo are just some of which comes to mind. Don't let your (unjust) hatred for Skyfall blind you of Logan's talent

    How can you justify that when Skyfall's plot is riddled with holes.
    Yet when P&W made a complex plot with no holes and clubbed it with exceptional dialogues like this scene in Casino Royale, we still find the need to bash them



    Internet Bond Fans-Something I'll never quite understand.

    Awkward......

    P&W didn't write that. Haggis did. In an interview P&W were asked if the "Im the money" line and Bond's retort was a sly reference to Moneypenny. They said they would love to answer but they didn't write the scene Haggis did.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    @Skyfail, with all due respect you are using double standards! I love QoS, it's one of my favourite Bond films and I have defended and will continue defending it. But I am not blind to the fact that it does have an incredible amount of plot holes! You are using such convoluted logic to explain some of them that perhaps you'd better not answer.
  • Posts: 908
    Skyfail wrote:
    Yes, I did say that ,

    When I said "Enlighten me".
    I meant on the plot holes that I was not aware of which you seem to have found.
    *Bond has a completely different hair style and is dressed entirely differently than he is at the end of CR, which this starts just minutes after.

    *Bolivia has no desert. It has a large highland called altiplano and the world's second largest salt desert. Both look totally different than the landscapes shown in the movie.

    *During the film, Bond flies to the airport in Bregenz, Austria. There is no airport in Bregenz.

    *How does White escape Siena while shot and bleeding, especially since M is directly near the location? And he look fine not long after at Bregenz.

    *Bond is yelled at by M for supposedly shooting Haines's bodyguard at TOSCA, yet it was Greene and his men who did that. Why didn't Bond speak up and say something?

    *Bond's credit cards and passports are blocked, yet he is able to locate and ride to Mathis's place to meet him. He also tells the lady at the desk to tell whoever phones that he is in Cairo. What sense does that make? Better yet, how do they know Mathis isn't innocent and how did they interrogate him?

    *How did MI6 track down Yusef when there really wasn't any information gotten regarding his location? Bond says he got all he needed to hear from Greene, yet he actually didn't hear anything at all about anything from him.

    *Just as Bond and Camille are about to die (or Bond was going to shoot her?) a panel magically falls revealing tanks Bond shoots to escape.

    *Bond and Camille just so happen to fall into a sink hole that leads them to discover Greene's plot and they somehow escape the hole.

    *We are to believe that Beam was somehow working with Greene, yet we never actually see any evidence of this besides a little CIA interaction with him. It was sloppily dealt with and leaves you scratching your head.

    *Greene was found shot twice, yet also had the oil in his stomach. So if it was Quantum who somehow found him, then why would they have him drink the oil too if they were just going to shoot him? If they already found him dead, what sense does it make to shot him after he is already dead?

    *Who murdered Fields, and how did she have enough time to warn Bond about something happening? When she wrote RUN was she warning him about MI6 or Quantum?

    I could go on and on and on...

    I am sure the QoS haters would be happy to oblige in continuing as well; they won't get any complaints from me.

    A - C)I can't believe that ANYONE praising SF even dares to raise these points.

    D) not the First to escape after being shot in the Leg as far as I know and M ...
    Well, she obviously was so busy speeding away,that she didn't even noticed the dead MI6 man on the stairs.

    E) no arguing about - it just makes no Sense but it's not really a plothole,Since it doesn't change the thrust of the Story.

    F) blocked cards and passports have nothing whatsoever to do with locating Mathis (of whom he probably just knew where he was or he contacted someone in the know,who owed him) and Since there are no Bordercontrols inside the EU it should have been no Problem (especially for a trained operative) to get to Italy, which is located next to Austria.
    "how did they interrogate him?" I don't even understand what you mean here.

    G) we are not even present when Bond questions Greene so he could have given insights and Intelligence about Quantum the size of Homers Ilias for all we know.

    H and I) This is called luck and is what keeps Heroes alive Since the beginning of storytelling. Also Reread Point A - C

    J) we are not LED to believe, we actually See them making a Deal in the Airplane.

    K) we are - of course - meant to believe Greene drank the Oil driven by Thirst, far fetched thought as it might be.

    L) No doubt,who snuffed her. Greenes Men of course (probably Elvis i guess).
    Concerning the "Run ", the question is obviously not of whom she wants to warn Bond, but how and when she manages to get it to the receptionist.


    QoS is not without its faults, but compared to SF ( and also to a lesser extent CR) it is a doctoral Dissertation about applied Logic, despite what so many like to think!!!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @Skyfail, you have managed to say so much, and yet so little. I could explain away any plot hole you could bring up too, but that doesn't mean that everything you say is suddenly true.

    Here is the definition of a plot hole:

    A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

    I pointed out areas that were inconsistent (continuity errors), didn't seem logical, things that were omitted that deserved to be touched on, moments that seemed so illogical or implausible that they left you rolling your eyes and more. A plot hole isn't just a moment that doesn't lead the plot onwards, but so much more.

    If you love QoS so much, I also scratch my head wondering why you chose to go the preschool route and choose "Skyfail" for your username instead of "QoS_Lover" or something to that effect. How grown up of you.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    Skyfail wrote:
    Yes, I did say that ,

    When I said "Enlighten me".
    I meant on the plot holes that I was not aware of which you seem to have found.
    *Bond has a completely different hair style and is dressed entirely differently than he is at the end of CR, which this starts just minutes after.

    *Bolivia has no desert. It has a large highland called altiplano and the world's second largest salt desert. Both look totally different than the landscapes shown in the movie.

    *During the film, Bond flies to the airport in Bregenz, Austria. There is no airport in Bregenz.

    *How does White escape Siena while shot and bleeding, especially since M is directly near the location? And he look fine not long after at Bregenz.

    *Bond is yelled at by M for supposedly shooting Haines's bodyguard at TOSCA, yet it was Greene and his men who did that. Why didn't Bond speak up and say something?

    *Bond's credit cards and passports are blocked, yet he is able to locate and ride to Mathis's place to meet him. He also tells the lady at the desk to tell whoever phones that he is in Cairo. What sense does that make? Better yet, how do they know Mathis isn't innocent and how did they interrogate him?

    *How did MI6 track down Yusef when there really wasn't any information gotten regarding his location? Bond says he got all he needed to hear from Greene, yet he actually didn't hear anything at all about anything from him.

    *Just as Bond and Camille are about to die (or Bond was going to shoot her?) a panel magically falls revealing tanks Bond shoots to escape.

    *Bond and Camille just so happen to fall into a sink hole that leads them to discover Greene's plot and they somehow escape the hole.

    *We are to believe that Beam was somehow working with Greene, yet we never actually see any evidence of this besides a little CIA interaction with him. It was sloppily dealt with and leaves you scratching your head.

    *Greene was found shot twice, yet also had the oil in his stomach. So if it was Quantum who somehow found him, then why would they have him drink the oil too if they were just going to shoot him? If they already found him dead, what sense does it make to shot him after he is already dead?

    *Who murdered Fields, and how did she have enough time to warn Bond about something happening? When she wrote RUN was she warning him about MI6 or Quantum?

    I could go on and on and on...

    I am sure the QoS haters would be happy to oblige in continuing as well; they won't get any complaints from me.

    A - C)I can't believe that ANYONE praising SF even dares to raise these points.

    D) not the First to escape after being shot in the Leg as far as I know and M ...
    Well, she obviously was so busy speeding away,that she didn't even noticed the dead MI6 man on the stairs.

    E) no arguing about - it just makes no Sense but it's not really a plothole,Since it doesn't change the thrust of the Story.

    F) blocked cards and passports have nothing whatsoever to do with locating Mathis (of whom he probably just knew where he was or he contacted someone in the know,who owed him) and Since there are no Bordercontrols inside the EU it should have been no Problem (especially for a trained operative) to get to Italy, which is located next to Austria.
    "how did they interrogate him?" I don't even understand what you mean here.

    G) we are not even present when Bond questions Greene so he could have given insights and Intelligence about Quantum the size of Homers Ilias for all we know.

    H and I) This is called luck and is what keeps Heroes alive Since the beginning of storytelling. Also Reread Point A - C

    J) we are not LED to believe, we actually See them making a Deal in the Airplane.

    K) we are - of course - meant to believe Greene drank the Oil driven by Thirst, far fetched thought as it might be.

    L) No doubt,who snuffed her. Greenes Men of course (probably Elvis i guess).
    Concerning the "Run ", the question is obviously not of whom she wants to warn Bond, but how and when she manages to get it to the receptionist.


    QoS is not without its faults, but compared to SF ( and also to a lesser extent CR) it is a doctoral Dissertation about applied Logic, despite what so many like to think!!!

    It's incredible how double standards work, please at least try being coherent.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 9,860
    Back on topic Gilroy is still just a phone call away :D
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @Matt_Helm, you even have moments where you shoot yourself in the foot and point out how much of a missing piece there is in a part of the film or how completely bonkers it is. You know that doesn't help your case, right?
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Risico007 wrote:
    Back on topic Gilroy is still just a phone call away :D

    My only concern with Gilroy is how much he is connected with Bourne, otherwise I find him a great choice.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:
    Risico007 wrote:
    Back on topic Gilroy is still just a phone call away :D

    My only concern with Gilroy is how much he is connected with Bourne, otherwise I find him a great choice.
    Well, he wrote all the previous three and wrote and directed Legacy, so he is pretty connected.

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    But Bond will always be compared to bourne it doesnt matter we all know who the real winner is anyways ;)
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    @Matt_Helm, you even have moments where you shoot yourself in the foot and point out how much of a missing piece there is in a part of the film or how completely bonkers it is. You know that doesn't help your case, right?

    Again, i just don't know what you are even Talking about and i am Sure so do you.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    @Matt_Helm, you even have moments where you shoot yourself in the foot and point out how much of a missing piece there is in a part of the film or how completely bonkers it is. You know that doesn't help your case, right?

    Again, i just don't know what you are even Talking about and i am Sure so do you.

    No, it is called deniability, and you are exercising it beautifully.

    There is a four letter word and you are full of it. :)
  • Posts: 908
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    @Matt_Helm, you even have moments where you shoot yourself in the foot and point out how much of a missing piece there is in a part of the film or how completely bonkers it is. You know that doesn't help your case, right?

    Again, i just don't know what you are even Talking about and i am Sure so do you.

    No, it is called deniability, and you are exercising it beautifully.

    There is a four letter word and you are full of it. :)

    I am sure such a Quote qualifies as an Argument in your Part of the Woods,but here in the educated Parts of the World it just doesn't make the Cut. Still i'm Sure your Mother is proud of you.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited March 2013 Posts: 28,694
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    @Matt_Helm, you even have moments where you shoot yourself in the foot and point out how much of a missing piece there is in a part of the film or how completely bonkers it is. You know that doesn't help your case, right?

    Again, i just don't know what you are even Talking about and i am Sure so do you.

    No, it is called deniability, and you are exercising it beautifully.

    There is a four letter word and you are full of it. :)

    I am sure such a Quote qualifies as an Argument in your Part of the Woods,but here in the educated Parts of the World it just doesn't make the Cut. Still i'm Sure your Mother is proud of you.

    Oh, how unclever you are. You rant and rave all day about how we are fools for liking Skyfall and constantly hack it to death with your "plot hole" rants. But when we do the same thing with QoS, you flip your lid and offer up poor "logic" for everything and sometimes define the plot hole we named. Hm, how hypocritical of you. And to make your argument even more of a joke, you think insulting someone's intelligence or making rude remarks involving their mother somehow makes you correct. If my part of the world isn't educated then yours must have permanent teacher's strikes. It seems the only available explanation as to why you haven't learned proper manners.

    All this vitriol day in and day out and all it gets you is a flagged post.
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    Sandy wrote:
    @Skyfail, with all due respect you are using double standards! I love QoS, it's one of my favourite Bond films and I have defended and will continue defending it. But I am not blind to the fact that it does have an incredible amount of plot holes! You are using such convoluted logic to explain some of them that perhaps you'd better not answer.

    To be fair it's the same when people defend SF.
  • StrelikStrelik Spectre Island
    edited March 2013 Posts: 108
    P&W didn't write that. Haggis did. In an interview P&W were asked if the "Im the money" line and Bond's retort was a sly reference to Moneypenny. They said they would love to answer but they didn't write the scene Haggis did.
    I'm glad you pointed that out. On various James Bond forums, many posters who defend Purvis and Wade mistakenly assume their favorite scenes were written by the pair. People overlook how much other writers added to the films such as Paul Haggis, Dana Stevens, Joshua Zetumer, Bruce Feirstein, etc.

    Almost every scene I liked in Casino Royale was penned by Paul Haggis (i.e. the shower scene, the flirtatious dialogue, the emotional tidbits, etc). Likewise, in Skyfall, the parts I liked best were later identified to be the collaborative work of Sam Mendes and John Logan.

    I have watched many interviews in which Purvis and Wade are praised for writing a particularly great scene. They usually respond: "Well... We didn't write that." At least one can admire their honesty.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Strelik wrote:
    P&W didn't write that. Haggis did. In an interview P&W were asked if the "Im the money" line and Bond's retort was a sly reference to Moneypenny. They said they would love to answer but they didn't write the scene Haggis did.
    I'm glad you pointed that out. On various James Bond forums, many posters who defend Purvis and Wade mistakenly assume their favorite scenes were written by the pair. People overlook how much other screenwriters added to the films such as Paul Haggis, Dana Stevens, Joshua Zetumer, Bruce Feirstein, etc.

    Almost every scene I liked in Casino Royale was penned by Paul Haggis (i.e. the shower scene, the flirtatious dialogue, the emotional tidbits, etc). Likewise, in Skyfall, the parts I liked best were revealed to be the work of Logan and Mendes.

    I have watched many interviews in which Purvis and Wade are praised for writing a particularly great scene. They drolly respond: "Well... We didn't write that." At least one can admire their honesty.

    This is exactly what I am talking about. I can't even fully judge P&W's recent Bond work because it is so hard to tell if they did anything at all. It is safe to say Haggis and John Logan saved the films they have worked on, and gave depth and great dialogue to the series where it was nearly absent before when P&W were scripting. I mean, looking at the writing of some of the Brosnan era, do you really think P&W wrote Tennyson into Skyfall? Hell no, that was Logan and Mendes, obviously. Does anyone know how much P&W even contributed to Skyfall? I hear a lot of rumblings that it was mostly a Logan show (I assume he added in all the depth with Mendes on hand).
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