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:)) you are so right, they are busy! There's just too much going on at the same time, like the underground at rush hour TDK and mostly TDKR are too much crammed together.
I liked it for a lot of reason's
1. It wasn't as dark as the previous ones.
2. It was more faithful to the source material than any of the previous 3 as in The Batman from TDKR felt very much in line with the comics
3. Epic action and fights scenes.
4. Lovely story with a great twist in the end.
5. The concept of 'Rising' felt very much in context.
6. A score which actually got general cinema audiences speaking about it
7. Anne Hathaway :P
Yes, and with DiCaprio came Ken Wantanabe, Cillian Murphy and Michael Cain, actors he's worked with previously. Then he takes half the cast of his core actors for Inception and lumps them in his next batman movie. Preference is alright but continuously doing it shows limitation imo.
Honestly speaking last year if someone asked me if Nolan was a good choice . I would say no , he can't handle action as good as Campbell or Forster. After Skyfall came out and I saw how weak the action was. I learnt to stop being very picky and I started thinking at least someone who can do a better job then Mendes.
Personally I thought the action was pretty good, just not as good as in CR or QoS but it's better than anything I've seen from Nolan.
Judging by how good the Bane vs Batman fights were and the sheer scale of huge mobs clashing together, its evident that Nolan has learnt a thing or two along his action movie career.
He may have learned 1 or 2 things but he still needs a great deal to learn if he insists on directing everything himself. He's better off using an experienced second unit who knows what they're doing and can realise and elevate whatever action scenario Nolan has in mind. I agree Nolan isn't afraid to tackle big scale action but he's not very good at it. The mob fight in Rises was abysmal and a huge let down for me and the second confrontational fight between Bats and Bane was painfully underwhelming.
It's good Nolan isn't going to direct Bond just yet; in that, I'd like to see how he comes along with the action in whatever upcoming films he's doing before I feel comfortable championing him as a director for Bond.
Yes, BB is also my favorite. It really feels gritty and dark. You really get a sense of this organic and raw atmosphere that's not as apparent in the sequels, although Rises did come closer to recapturing the grittiness more so than TDK did.
Oh come on !
Limitation how?
You speak as if they do a bad job. Each and every one of them are amazing ,they are just side roles and he did not use the main actor like DiCaprio.
Mate,
If your going to keep this stance and not state the obvious, I am afraid there's no point of us discussing this further.
Haha , Its quite alright :P
Limitation how?
You speak as if they do a bad job. Each and every one of them are amazing ,they are just side roles and he did not use the main actor like DiCaprio.
Of course they don't do a bad job, although Talia's death scene in TDR was like, a huge wtf? in the way she died. That being said, I think Nolan is limiting himself by constantly recycling most of the same actors in all his movies. One doesn't get better or expand their range and skills by staying inside their comfort zone. I think it would benefit Nolan to diversify a lot more when it comes to collaborating with actors.
Mate,
If your going to keep this stance and not state the obvious, I am afraid there's no point of us discussing this further.
Relax, it's just my opinion which I vehemently stand by and I support my stance simply because Alex Witt is a great second unit director and his work on SF impressed me more than anything Nolan has done. I don't understand why that gets to you. You clearly don't agree with it and that's fine.
I think, looking at the entire Bond's background story in 'Skyfall', a sudden edited car chase would not have worked. Action should be smart, a tool to enhance the plot and story, and if it does, you can make it memorable.
Yes, 'Skyfall' had less action, but it suited the film. Moreover, in my opinion the best Bond films didn't have too much 'cheesy' action. Look to 'From Russia With Love'. The train fight with Grant in the dark reminded me actually of the fight scene between Bond and Patrice in the skycraper: Dirty, dark, gritty.....just like Terence Young intended it to be....
Because it's this particular aspect being discussed.
Lmao :)) +1
You see this is a better argument ^
As opposed to what you said earlier
This^ made it sound as if he's incapable of working with anyone else, the man's a creative genious which he proved time and time again. Give him some respect.
Mate,
What bothers me is that its clear to me that you know your action. I've seen some people talk about action when they are simply not clear on the 'intensity' of a scene.
The reason I say you know your action is because you made a thread about 'raid'. The fisticuffs and action are good , but its just way too much for my taste.
Now since you know your action and you mentioned that Cr and QoS has it better than Skyfall which had it pretty weak. To say that TDKR's is worse than Skyfall just seems biased since TDKR is non-Bond. It should be abundantly clear to any action fan which trumps which.
If you said something like Skyfall or Mendes could give more emotional depth than Nolan. I would agree since it's true.
But action , no way.
On this Side note I loved Bane and Catwoman in TDKR but felt Batman and Alfred were very weak which is an honest to god dam shame as I loved Batman Begins liked The Dark Knight (sorry the older I get the more i get sick of seeing The Joker if its any consolation I hate the Riddler) I want to love The Dark Knight Rises I do but like Skyfall i felt it was ok not amazing and had some serious character moments that made me think WTF
Also a bit concerned how long DC can sustain the part...2015 will be nearly a decade since he was cast..and only 3 movies!
There's just so much legal and contract wrangling these days before anyone actually starts, you know, DOING STUFF....
Creatively, I don't think 3 years as opposed to 2 makes any difference in quality improvement. In fact, I might be inclined to argue that a bit of time pressure increases creativity. Or in other words, you end up at pretty much the same place, you're just more leisurely about it. QoS was hit by other factors rather than time I think (no scriptwriters handy at crucial moments because of the Writers Strike in the main).
Connery was knocking them out almost annually with no loss of quality...largely I suspect because there were less business obstacles in the way then.
Skyfall really wasn't that great I just still can't believe i waited four years for an ok bond adventure
I guess it's each to his but I can't imagine why anyone would like it over TDK (which is easily the highlight of the 3) or BB which is a great introduction.
I have to strongly disagree with Skyfail that the action in TDKR was better than Skyfall, I much preferred it. The Bane fight was considerably underwhelming and thought nothing was a memorable as the SF PTS.
Brian Singer went the same way, at least Nolan had a quality body of work before he went all blockbuster, Singer made one truly great 2nd film and then followed it up with films of varying quality and it seems his latest is pretty terrible, there was a time I would have been excited by his name being attached to projects but it seems like Nolan he's lost to blockbuster land.
Nolan's best action sequence is still the opening of TDK, the rest of the film from a visual stand point struggles to catch up although dramatically it has many highlights.
I've been a Nolan fan since seeing Memento when it first hit DVD and no these blockbusters are not his strong point both Memento and Prestige are the real example of his genius certainly not his career low point TDKR, give me the simplicity of Following any day of the week.
The extra year is no guarantee of quality either. DAD anyone?
This This This ^ !!
I know exactly how you feel , Risico007 :(
This is what I meant when I told doubleoego that some people just don't seem to grasp the concept of intensity, which I believe he did.
Skyfall had poor action-True , But every single action scene in Skyfall sans the Macau Casino fight Trumps the TDK Opening as far as 'action' is concerned.
There is no denying the fact that scene in TDK is the highlight of the movie and is one of the best sequences in cinema, but for you to say its his best action ?!
they fired like 4 bullets in that scene and not a single fist fight -yup best action scene ever ! :P
I feel the same.
I feel bad for you guys. I'll always respect your opinion but I thought it was absolutely worth the wait. Oh well
And then there are people choosing user names that seem like they want to show the middle finger every time they post. (Definitely not the same thing as just having a negative opinion.) I'll say "oh well" to that.
And I thought he looked old in SF.
Your such a bloody expert on action aren't you, the likes of Michael Mann leave Nolan so called great action sequences in the dust.
I'm actually a big Nolan fan but his talents lie more in his more intimate films and not the blockbusters, he's still yet to better Memento, Prestige is almost there, but the likes of TDK, BB & Inception are somewhere behind.
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Gareth Evans delivered better action than anyone last year, Skyfall & TDKR are wanting when compared to that element in the Raid, that was the action film of 2012
I don't necessarily think that Bond has to be an action fest, the action needs to drive the story along unlike the a to b travelogues we've had in the past in the series and for me personally Skyfall did this. There were moments of Rises that just lost my interest. The whole Wayne being kept captured in the pit sequence and escaping just bought the film to a halt and making everything so epic for me was too much, I much preferred the relatively smaller TDK, involving the President and cutting Gotham off from civilization was something more like a Marvel film than the previous films which I much more liked.
To be honest I'm sick to bloody death on hearing Nolan should direct Bond 24, I'm not sure he would make the film some of his fans purport he would.
The difference is unlike Moore he wouldn't need an army of stuntmen to complete the film.
Craig's detractors will always jump on this one, he has a weathered face granted but he should still be able to convince as Bond when it comes to physicality, something come Rog's last 2 films certainly he couldn't.