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I agree with some of this. I'm actually not bothered if Billie is doing the song - as long as its a decent song. If you think back to Nancy, Lulu, etc. the Bond films have often gone for young, hip, trendy female singers. It is a good way of bringing in the younger audience and new fans, like you said.
My only concern is her current backlog of material. It sounds very dreary and depressing, or slightly odd, and not very Bond sounding at all. If we still get another decent Bond song, then who cares what else she has done in the past, but going on what she has produced, my fear is we get another weird, crap song like AWTD or DAD.
I hope I'm proved spectacularly wrong.
You got old, that’s how.
Five decades happened.
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Except...
Paul McCartney (right way to spell it, btw), likes Billie Eilish. I'm a Macca fan, so I'll trust him ;) Let's see.
Where's the like button?
Fair point. If it works, great! If it doesn’t, there’s always next time. But, in that, we have to understand that there are people who hate even the most popular songs. So, taste plays a huge role in these things, and not simply artistic merit.
Really? What have P&W accurately adapted, other than CR? Name me one faithfully adapted Fleming scene?
And when I say faithfully adapted, as an example I mean the way Maibaum adapted TLD, or the scenes from LALD with Felix being eaten, or Bond getting dragged over corals, or Bond in a shootout in the sea worm factory, etc. etc.
These are properly, easily identifiable, recognisable, fully adapted scenes, taken straight out of the books. None of that has been done by P&W.
If Billie Eilish delivers the equivalent to “Die Another Day”, I will genuinely be excited. I actually mean that too. No sarcasm. I love it when an artist metaphorically splashes cold water at the franchise like that, “A View to a Kill”, “Live and Let Die”, songs that broke perceptions of what a Bond song could be.
+1.
And I think that's gonna be the case this time around. Let's keep in mind Fukunaga's words: a fresh new perspective.
Well we can debate the faithfulness of the scenes you pointed out because Felix being eaten by sharks or (I’m assuming) the immediate post title sequence in TLD are not strict translations. They’re both adapted to fit the story that EON wanted to tell. The same can be said about P & W using Franz Oberhauser as an exploration of Bond’s past, or Gustav Graves cheating at fencing as a nod to Moonraker. But I think I see your point even though I disagree with it.
You know something, I have never thought of George Michael for a Bond title track. But actually, yes, I think he could have done it.
Bryan Ferry absolutely should have done one at some point too.
P&W have done nods. There I agree with you. Referencing a character is a nice nod too. But that is as far as it goes.
A ridiculous OTT sword fight is by no means an accurate adaptation of a card gambling scene at Blades with M, to find out if a person is cheating.
Whereas Bond sent on a mission in Berlin to shoot a KGB sniper, who ends up being a woman cellist he fancies, deliberately misses, all from a bedroom window, IS a straight adaptation, even though it also then adapts to fit in to a wider story. Hell, even some of the dialogue has been lifted from the pages. I'd go as far as saying its as faithful to Fleming as FRWL, Dr. No or OHMSS is.
There are no grey areas, nods or mild interpretations there. It is a straight forward, true adaptation, so I'm not sure what you disagree with.
The original discussion was whether or not unused collections of scenes and set pieces are enough to make a movie. You asserted that there are whole books untouched or unadapted by EON. That claim then turned into a list of scenes, set pieces and motifs that haven’t been faithfully adapted. Then you claimed that three films could easily be made of these unused bits. I disagree with all of that.
You know my Name was fantastic might even be my favorite bond theme of all time (it's a tight battle between this and live and let die)
Another Way to Die was in my opinion still good but not as good as YKMN
Skyfall was just ok in my honored opinion I do still listen to it occasionally
Writing's on the Wall was bad like really Bad
and after listening to a bunch of Billie Eilish I have not found a single song I liked...
Now could she knock something out of the park and pull out a Rock number that has Rush influences... I am sure anything is possible... do I I think that will happen... NOPE
so Sadly much like I was with Die Another Day I fear the days of Fleming titles and Rock title songs are in the past.
Bond 26 - you could have a screenplay incorporating huge chunks of properly adapted scenes and storylines from both MR and DAF, exhausting both novels absolutely to death. These 2 books are fairly ripe for picking lots of scenes and characters from, involving games of cards at Blades, gangsters, horse races, mud baths, gun shoot outs at drive-ins, car chases, crashes, captures and tortures (features in both books), Western ghost towns, etc. etc. There is at least as much material there as there was from the novel CR.
Bond 27 is then released 2 years later, incorporating TSWLM and YOLT, again exhausting both novels absolutely to death. The film starts with Bond meeting Viv Michel at a motel (held hostage by 2 gangsters). The film ends with an amnesia ridden Bond setting sail off a Japanese island, not knowing who he is.
Bond 28 then follows on where the last one left off, with a properly adapted version of TMWTGG, including the brainwashed confrontation opening, before Bond redeems himself and goes off to Jamaica under the guise of Mark Hazard, to find his target.
Somewhere you could even include the short story from AVTAK, which has still not been used yet either, but let's not get greedy. We could save that for another film, eh? ;)
There is enough basis there for each film, more than the short adapted story of TLD or OP. So again, which bit do you disagree with?
Saying that something can be done doesn’t mean it can. Anything can be true in a hypothetical. This is all conjecture until pen is put to paper. Again, your summary is not a story. You collect together incident’s that have no plot, arc, motivation or theme.
100% spot on! Well said!
I considered a tune like AVTAK as such because prior to that we mainly had a string of ballad songs starting with “Nobody Does it Better”, and especially coming after the more tame “All Time High” it DOES sound revolutionary, at least to my ears.
Sadly I agree. Liam Gallagher is a man of the past, yet also a man in the present too, appealing to a younger demographic. I would have been thrilled had he been chosen to do a rock Bond song. Even Artic Monkeys would do.
Another point to be made is longevity and helping to keep the Bond tradtion alive. Sir Paul may include LALD in his set this year at Glastobury (fingers crossed) and DD regularly perform AVTAK live (very well IMHO). This obviously is great for Bond fans new and old. Now, to those fans of current pop and those desperate to give present talent a fair hearing: does anyone really think that BE will be performing live at full gigs in 35 years time? and can Sheena Easton fill the O2? flavour of the month is all very well ....until next month. Talent lasts.
Arctic Monkeys would do? Alex Turner would nail it no problem, Gallagher would need an army of song writers to get anywhere near it.
You make it sound like they'd be the consolation prize to him when it clearly would be the other way round, Gallagher is yesterdays news, AM could still be considered today's.
I don't think Gallagher would appeal to a young demographic at all, Turner and the Monkeys would have more of a chance.
Lets face it our taste in music is just not what the kids on the whole would listen to.
For them to consider a rock approach it would be one of the more younger pups out there and not bands from our earlier years.
We aren't the demographic they are trying to appeal to.