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  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK, absolutely.

    "They don't speak English, man. Let's help 'em up."

    Ayulet Zurer (Avner's wife) would make an interesting Bond girl. Very beautiful.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Yes, she is. I loved her in the film, and I would enjoy seeing her as a Bond girl.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Yes, she is. I loved her in the film, and I would enjoy seeing her as a Bond girl.

    Indeed.

    Just got to the middle of the film. The 'Fedayeen' sequence where they storm the apartments SWAT style and kill everyone. I believe I've found my new favorite movie.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @JWESTBROOK, very, very, very good to hear.
    The little flank they do when the reinforcements arrive is great. They just exit the rear of the building, box them in, and slaughter them. The entrance in the docks has to be one of my favorite scenes of the movie: enter at night as the band plays, dress up like they're out on a date, and kill everyone at the guardhouse with suppressed pistols. Such a great sequence.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK, very, very, very good to hear.
    The little flank they do when the reinforcements arrive is great. They just exit the rear of the building, box them in, and slaughter them. The entrance in the docks has to be one of my favorite scenes of the movie: enter at night as the band plays, dress up like they're out on a date, and kill everyone at the guardhouse with suppressed pistols. Such a great sequence.

    Yes, I got a good laugh out of:
    when the 'girls' walk into the light with the cold look of death and the guard is like "what the f*ck". Good chuckle. Definitely the highlight so far.

    The tension in this film is impeccable.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK, very, very, very good to hear.
    The little flank they do when the reinforcements arrive is great. They just exit the rear of the building, box them in, and slaughter them. The entrance in the docks has to be one of my favorite scenes of the movie: enter at night as the band plays, dress up like they're out on a date, and kill everyone at the guardhouse with suppressed pistols. Such a great sequence.

    Yes, I got a good laugh out of:
    when the 'girls' walk into the light with the cold look of death and the guard is like "what the f*ck". Good chuckle. Definitely the highlight so far.

    The tension in this film is impeccable.

    Haha, indeed. I love his face change. What's your favorite scene in the film thus far?
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited June 2012 Posts: 5,745
    Creasy47 wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK, very, very, very good to hear.
    The little flank they do when the reinforcements arrive is great. They just exit the rear of the building, box them in, and slaughter them. The entrance in the docks has to be one of my favorite scenes of the movie: enter at night as the band plays, dress up like they're out on a date, and kill everyone at the guardhouse with suppressed pistols. Such a great sequence.

    Yes, I got a good laugh out of:
    when the 'girls' walk into the light with the cold look of death and the guard is like "what the f*ck". Good chuckle. Definitely the highlight so far.

    The tension in this film is impeccable.

    Haha, indeed. I love his face change. What's your favorite scene in the film thus far?

    Hmm. So hard. I enjoyed the
    hotel explosion set up. With the couple on their honeymoon, the target, and Avner all awkwardly on the balconies and then..
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    You should use spoiler tags @JWESTBROOK. It's a great film, not to be ruined.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    You should use spoiler tags @JWESTBROOK. It's a great film, not to be ruined.

    Indeed. I fixed it, though I feel not much was given away. I simply provided as much as a trailer would spoil..
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    You should use spoiler tags @JWESTBROOK. It's a great film, not to be ruined.

    Indeed. I fixed it, though I feel not much was given away. I simply provided as much as a trailer would spoil..

    I know, but that is a "holy crap" moment, and leads to a bigger development later on.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I just finished the first season of 'Sherlock', and...

    ...WOW.

    Unbelievably excellent. I can't continue it after this, though, as Netflix only has the first season up. Such a shame.

    @JWESTBROOK, great choice. My favorite has to be:
    the scene where Avner and Carl try to stop the guys from detonating the bomb that will kill Mahmoud Hamshari's daughter instead. So tense, my breathing stops every time I view that sequence.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK, great choice. My favorite has to be:
    the scene where Avner and Carl try to stop the guys from detonating the bomb that will kill Mahmoud Hamshari's daughter instead. So tense, my breathing stops every time I view that sequence.

    So intense. Beautifully done, and one of the few cases I accept slow-motion.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK, great choice. My favorite has to be:
    the scene where Avner and Carl try to stop the guys from detonating the bomb that will kill Mahmoud Hamshari's daughter instead. So tense, my breathing stops every time I view that sequence.

    So intense. Beautifully done, and one of the few cases I accept slow-motion.
    As soon as he slams the telephone down, I love how the score drastically dies down, and it's just Avner and Carl, top speed to the car, and one of the only things you can hear is the tape being pulled back off the detonator. I know how the scene ends, yet for some reason, it gives me heavy chills.

    Even the score of the film upsets me - in a good way. Very touching and emotional, just like the score throughout 'Man on Fire' that they continually use, especially the end song. If you haven't seen the film, I recommend you give it a watch.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited June 2012 Posts: 5,745
    Munich

    Personal: 10/10
    Critical: 8.5/10

    Again, a film I could watch over and over again. It's the action movie that doesn't want to be an action movie but stopped going to it's therapy.

    The plot is interesting enough.. and developed enough.. Jews want revenge for some strife in their past. A buncha' guys on a mission movie that excels.

    The score is simple but extremely effective. The tension is killer if you're paying attention. In fact, I'd like to point that out as the best aspect of this film. It pulls you in. It builds and builds and builds on a sequence and nails the execution. Your constantly thinking 'what's going to go wrong' or 'something's not right' and often your surprised.

    The first half definitely is superior to it's second half however. But that fits the story. It starts out fresh and exciting for both the viewer and the characters, and by the end you question what's happened, the morality, and the reasoning.

    The acting is not obviously outstanding, but all the characters are convincing. One of those films where you don't notice the acting because your so involved in the story, which is a sign of good acting.

    Direction is perfect. The film is rarely slow before it picks back up, and the slow is only necessary for a coherent story. It's extremely enjoyable. The film is a bit on the long side, but if your focused on the film that passes reasonably.

    My only issue is one extremely specific scene that was simply uncomfortable for me.
    The scene towards the end where he's having sex with his wife and thinking about the murder of the Jews, and it's like she can see it in him. Extremely weird. I understand it's supposed to show his love for his country mixing with his love for his family and all that, but it's still just uncomfortable imo.

    I'll be viewing this again soon. The action is perfect. There are a few dark-humor light moments, but you have to enjoy that kind of thing and it only pops up on a few occasions.

    Extremely effective, but it only convinces me even more that religion is the biggest crime to coexistence. Talk about an 'excuse' for war, see this film and you'll understand an Atheist's ploy.

    Next: probably Man On Fire
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @JWESTBROOK:
    In terms of religion, the scene where Avner and Ali are talking to one another is a very powerful scene. They're in the stairwell, smoking, the Arab thinks he is a German, and keeps calling him a Jew sympathizer, while they discuss the trials and tribulations of the Israelis and Palestinians over the past thousands of years. I've always loved it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I just finished the first season of 'Sherlock', and...

    ...WOW.

    Unbelievably excellent. I can't continue it after this, though, as Netflix only has the first season up. Such a shame.

    @JWESTBROOK, great choice. My favorite has to be:
    the scene where Avner and Carl try to stop the guys from detonating the bomb that will kill Mahmoud Hamshari's daughter instead. So tense, my breathing stops every time I view that sequence.

    @Creasy47, I can PM you a link to series 2 that I use to re-watch all of them. In fact, I am watching series 1 again starting in just a bit. I focused more on series 2, so I am coming back to give 1 some love.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited June 2012 Posts: 5,745
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK:
    In terms of religion, the scene with Avner and the character whose name fails to come to mind right now sadly...anyway, Avner and this Arab are talking in the stairwell, after the guys break in to the flat that was supposed to be exclusive to him. They're in the stairwell, smoking, the Arab thinks he is a German, and keeps calling him a Jew sympathizer, while they discuss the trials and tribulations of the Israelis and Palestinians over the past thousands of years: very powerful scene.

    And, ironically, a convincing argument against religion in general. Discussing how their
    separate religions have brought war for thousands of years, and will continue to bring war, and they don't even notice it. They're too concerned with convincing the other that their battle should be won, rather than worry about not battling at all.

    I'm not a hippy, but if war can be avoided, it should be. When people threaten or take innocent lives, or if economic issues get in the way, I'm more convinced war can be justified. But simply saying 'my un-proven God is better than yours, and I should kill you for it' is no reason. It's disgusting.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @JWESTBROOK,
    I couldn't agree more. That's the beauty in the scene - they point out the flaws in all of the bloodshed, while in reality, it's gone unrealized: you believe in God A, I believe in God B, while in fact, neither of us know, for an absolute fact, that either God exists. Let's slaughter one another until one of us wins.

    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, please do. I'm dying to continue: that was such an excellent cliffhanger of a season finale.

    Another thing that's a real shame is that I doubt I can ever go back to traditional television after this: 90-minute episodes make them so much better, because you have so many more scenes, more detail, more plot and character progression that you don't get in 25 or 45 minute episodes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    The thing Munich exceeds in is that it makes you examine yourself and how you would feel doing a job like what Avner must do, as well as the morals of the entire fight between Iran and Israel, along with the aftermath of the massacre. A very powerful film, especially when
    we see that Avner has lost his head a bit, getting paranoid that his partners have betrayed him, and all the killing takes a toll as he wonders why he was sent to kill them in the first place. At the end of the film, he has lost trust in not only his handler, but Mossad and Israel in general. Avner's choice to remain in America shows a cutting of ties, and I feel he is finally done being a pawn in a much bigger plot, a plot that has no winning side.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    The thing Munich exceeds in is that it makes you examine yourself and how you would feel doing a job like what Avner must do, as well as the morals of the entire fight between Iran and Israel, along with the aftermath of the massacre. A very powerful film, especially when
    we see that Avner has lost his head a bit, getting paranoid that his partners have betrayed him, and all the killing takes a toll as he wonders why he was sent to kill them in the first place. At the end of the film, he has lost trust in not only his handler, but Mossad and Israel in general. Avner's choice to remain in America shows a cutting of ties, and I feel he is finally done being a pawn in a much bigger plot, a plot that has no winning side.
    Along with how he doesn't think about what he will do once his mission is over: he signs away years of his life for a job he had to take, or else he would not forgive himself for the rest of his life, and as it nears an end and finally reaches a finish, he is paranoid, as you said: checking his phone, his television, destroying his bed, and finally, sleeping in the closet, which was somewhat foreshadowed earlier on in a passing story.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'm curious, @JWESTBROOK. What is your favorite scene, and I am anxious to know what you think about
    Steve/Dan's character actually surviving. I for one was shaking as the others got picked of because I didn't want to see him die. I guess I like him too much.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I'm not sure how he felt, but:
    I felt very relieved to hear that Steve survived the ordeal; I just found myself very curious as to where his character was after the events.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I'm not sure how he felt, but:
    I felt very relieved to hear that Steve survived the ordeal; I just found myself very curious as to where his character was after the events.
    Yes, every time I saw a teammate die I knew we were getting closer and closer to Steve's demise, who I always thought would be the final one left besides Avner. Good to see him make it out though, as I hate seeing Dan's characters die in anything he does, as I feel for any actors I really like.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, as do I. Some actors seem to get the absolute worst of fates when it comes to films, it seems.

    Speaking of Dan, he has had some pretty good pre-Bond films, aside from 'Munich': off the top of my head, I can think of 'Flashbacks of a Fool,' 'Layer Cake,' and 'Enduring Love.' The last one I listed had some great casting.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, as do I. Some actors seem to get the absolute worst of fates when it comes to films, it seems.

    Speaking of Dan, he has had some pretty good pre-Bond films, aside from 'Munich': off the top of my head, I can think of 'Flashbacks of a Fool,' 'Layer Cake,' and 'Enduring Love.' The last one I listed had some great casting.

    I haven't seen Enduring Love, but I enjoy Layer Cake and have seen a lot of Flashbacks of a Fool, which is ok. That wasn't pre-Bond though, rather 2008.

    And, an actor that gets horrible fates in his films, Leonardo Dicaprio. Every film I begin to watch with him I ponder "gee Leo, how will you die this time?".
  • 001001
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    Michael Clayton (2007)
    Overated drama borefest. 5/10
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, wow, really? I didn't know 'Flashbacks of a Fool' was much later on, my apologies on that.

    Haha, I was thinking of Leonardo Dicaprio as I typed that.

  • TracyTracy
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    Deadly China Doll aka Opium Trail 3/6......kinda mediocre , not as good as say "Hapkido" or "TKD Strikes"
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Watching Man on Fire.

    So far I've honestly hated the opening. haha
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Watching Man on Fire.

    So far I've honestly hated the opening. haha

    Ah yes, another type casted Denzel Washington. It seems like all he plays is an officer/agent.
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