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  • @chrisisall Karin Dor is in Topaz looking different

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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Heat 1995

    When a crew of professional career criminals comprising of Neil McCauley (Robert De Niro) and his crew; Chris Shiherlis (Val Kilmer), Michael Cheritto (Tom Sizemore), and Trejo (Danny Trejo), hire Waingro (Kevin Gage) to help them rob $1.6 million in bearer bonds from an armored car. In the process of the heist, Waingro impulsively kills a guard. Waingro clearly an unknown quantity and obviously a psychotic was clearly a mistake the crew realise much too late. McCauley in particular is full of rage and attempts to dispose of Waingro but fails.

    Intensely dedicated and hungry senior Police Officier Lt Vincent Hanna (Al Pacino) assigned to the case instantly recognises this is not the work of a bunch of amatuers and this is a professionally focused crew that he intends to take down. McCauley's fence Nate suggests that they can sell the bonds back to it's owner, a money launderer by the name of Van Zant (William Fitchner). Van Zant agrees but intends to teach them a lesson for stealing from him, although Zant is unaware how careful McCauley and crew are and when the attempt is foiled, McCauley vows revenge and chillingly intones to Zant that he's a dead man with a piece of the most memorable dialogue from the film.

    Hanna in the process of investigating the crew grows to admire McCauley and his professionalism despite determined to take him down leading to a meeting in the now famous coffee shop sequence of the film. Waingro emerges to assist Van Zant in taking McCauley's crew out before they can get to him. Events are put in place as the film including an earth shuddering and visceral gun battle to end all gun battles pursues to it's sombre and emotionally charged ending.

    As someone who was priviledged to have caught Heat on the original UK theatrical release (1996) I remember anticipating it greatly for the pedigree on display but not really quite ready for what I saw. My reason for revisiting this film I was lucky enough to see recently a new digital restoration of this film. This is something the film had desperately needed, even the much improved Blu ray presentation was not without issues. I'm happy to say that this version that was premiered recently at the Academy’s Samuel Goldwyn Theatre followed by a Q&A chaired by super fan Christopher Nolan fielded questions to the attending cast and crew including Mann, De Niro, Pacino and cinematogrpaher Dante Spinotti amongst others is finally a fitting enough version of this much influential masterwork. The dialogue issues have been sorted and the 4K treatment has done nothing to alter it's film like appearance, no digital scrubbing evident here.

    Heat certainly didn't echo anything that the decade had previously given us within the cop thriller genre. This absorbing meditation of crime with it's richly drawn characters and a cast to match with Italian American acting titans De Niro and Pacino at the lead stood out in an area of films that had become somewhat disposable and flashy in the 1980's and 90's.

    Heat in comparrison did and still continues to sate my appetite for a thrilling and hugely entertaining piece of cinema that doesn't require I leave my brian disengaged. Michael Mann who meticulously researched and prepared before writing and directing this modern masterpiece. Mann had already impressed with Manhunter, the first film attempt at exploring Thomas Harris' Hannibal Lecter series as well as Thief but Heat saw him armed with a bigger budget than ever and the ace in his pocket two actors who the world had been waiting to see sparring on the screen together for decades. De Niro and Pacino had appeared in the same film but not sharing any screen time, this was of course Francis Ford Coppolla's masterful Godfather 2, De Niro playing a young Vito Coreleone in flashback to Pacino's Michael in the much celebrated sequel to the ground breaking original Part 1.

    Although certainly not all but some felt short changed at Mann's decison to keep both leading men while continuosly linked throughout the story to not meet on screen until the now much celebrated coffee shop sequence. They would cross each paths at the end but this meet up was one of the major talking points of the film on release and continues to be studied even now. While as I said some felt they'd been cheated with the billing of these two on the poster to get one actual scene of proper dialogue my view then and now is that less is indeed more.

    On subsequent viewings as was on my first experience the anticipation leading up to it makes it that more rewarding when it arrives. It's not like fireworks are set off, it's actually just a simple conversation between 2 professionals that who admire each other but happen to sit on opposite sides of the fence. It's more that Mann doesn't make it a big deal that it becomes the legendary scene that other actors have lauded ever since it appeared. Though this isn't to do the rest of the film a disservice from the slow burn opening that leads to the tense bail bonds robbbery that puts the story in motion right up to the emotionally charged but sombre climax, Heat is an example of what can be accomplished within what had become a tired and worn genre.

    A number of films have tried to match up to it's standard but failed, Ben Affleck's directed The Town is clearly taking inspiration but depite being an admirable work feels more like a tribute act than an original in it's own light. The more recent Triple 9 directed by John Hillcoat despite it's cast seems redundant and shallow in comparrison. It's fair to say the genre is yet to find a successor. As well as the complaints of the lack of screen time for the leads some of it's detractors seem to have expected something more action charged from the film, rather than at times a slow burn meditation of a film. Heat is given time to breathe offer characterisations. Mann offers enough of Hanna's home life for us to see that his job is well on its way to ruining his now third marriage. Diane Venora's Justine is a three dimensional character as opposed to the usual cliched cops wife and gets enough screentime to make this feel real and not just a plot device

    Even fans of the film have talked about Pacino's tendency to overract and while I'm probably more of a fan of him than De Niro by a small margin I must admit as he's got older his acting has somewhat got less sublte and on occasions scenry chomping. Although I would argue that Pacino essays Hanna quite brilliantly, he's a great counter point to De Niro's more reserved criminal. In the recent Q&A with Christopher Nolan Pacino revealed something that some had already suspected that Hanna chipped cocaine to maintain his intensity. Hanna intones "It keeps me sharp, on the edge, where I gotta be" when he's explaining why he can't share his job details to his Wife Justine. Though the big shouty moments seem to get most of the attention but the real brilliance of his performance is the more subtle moments, the way surveys a crime scene the way he commands his team, Pacino has clearly researched this role and this definitely comes through his portrayal.

    McCauley's is more of a closed book and intentionally so, though from the moment he meets Amy Brenneman's Edie she opens him to an alternative to his current situation. By Allowing some variety into life and a someone to care about he betrays his usual life style that has abled him to maintain his profession so successfully. The complexity of his situation leads to his fate, he wants change but in the end he can't let go of his old life but then this new aspect he's invited in also contributes to where he ends up. The genre rarely offers such depth and it'a part of the reason the film has been reverred and it has resonated with many directors over last 2 decades. De Niro is simply like Pacino electrifying, his intensity his layered reading, while a methodical professional with a ruthless calculating mind but also loyal and clearly a caring friend and later lover.

    Where some have suggested before De Niro has the edge I would argue neither comes out on top here. It's only on subsequent viewings you see that Pacino is easilly equal to De Niro, it's something that is likely to be debated over as it has been throughout their career who is the best? Well here they are a match for each other and the wait to see them on the screen together no matter how brief was more than worth it.

    With two leads a given, Heat also has an outstanding supporting cast, one thing the film does is remind you of what a talent Val Kilmer was. He's rarely been better and offers a layered portrayal of Chris Shiherlis. A gambling addiction which is impacting on his marriage to Charlene a career best performance from an excellent Ashley Judd. Their final scene together is heartbreaking, both depsite their problems clearly deeply love each other. Mann unlike some of his peers as with Verona can write exceptionally well for women, a problem that some really talented male directors can struggle with. Both are integral to their male counterpoints and not just thinly written stereotypes. Another actor that has disappeared of the radar at one point seem to have a promising career is Tom Sizemore, here as Michael Cheritto, while not quite as impressive as Kilmer and Judd he offers a superb performance as action junkie sociopath Cheritto. Dany Trejo is fine as Trejo although he's the least interesting of the group.

    Hanna's team also offers more quality supporting roles, Mykelti Williamson's Sgt Drucker is probably the one who gets the most screentime, an incredibly gifted actor who not only gets some great dialogue but all has some great scenes, especially with Judd towards the end of the film. Ted Levine as Bosco makes the most of his screentime and Wes Studi is on fine form as loyal soldier Casals. The supporting cast is rich with even a seasoned actor like Jon Voight gets a key but brief role as McCauley's fence Nate and Chris Noonan already having delivered a memorable turn in Mann's Manhunter appears briefly as well. With also Hank Azaria and Jeremey Piven turning up as well.

    As well as the obvious heavy weight leads the other star here is obviously Michael Mann himself who not only presents his greateast directorial effort to date but also furnishes himself with a terrific script that serves all so impressively. Mann meticulously researched this before starting production and due to his connections with law enforcement was allowed to get a first hand experience, that he would channel into his script. The story has more than some basis in fact, Mann had already attempted to look at McCauley and Hanna's story when he directed a TV Movie L.A Takedown in 1989. McCauley was the fictional Patrick McClaren in the film, he changed it to the real life McCauley for Heat. Both films are based on the real life story of Neil McCauley a calcualting criminal who was eventually killed by real ife Hanna Chuck Adamson. Voight's Nate is based on Edward Bunker a ex con, acclaimed author and also Mr Blue in Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. Mann also is served by the legendary Dante Spinotti who imbues the film with it's distinctive look.

    The film has some subplots, one in particular has Dennis Haysbert as an ex con Breeden trying to rehabilitate back into sociey with the assistance of his wife. His predicament seeing him having to accept humilating employment where he's taken advantage. His story inclusion here though only makes sense later in the film and like with the key characters rather than some plot device he's a living breathing character that when we see his fate when he's unable to leave behind his old life not unlike McCauley we understand the tragedy of his predicament. It's a testament to Mann's insistence of including it when other less expertly made films would surely have cut it to save time. Mann actually doesn't believe Heat to be a genre film and there is some truth to this. Yes it does inhabit that world but it deals with other things like Chris and Charlenes marriage issues and also Hanna's trouble teenage step daughter played by the then 14 year old Natalie Portman amongst other things. The disappointment of some that it's not more of a quick action fix is a tonic to others. This is the very opposite of the quick fire shallow Michael Bay like pyrothechnics that seemed to populate the 90's and beyond.

    That being said Heat certainly doesn't short change us on action, ironically although it can't be described as an action film it delivers one segment that towers above any action sequence of that decade and beyond. When McCauley's crew pull their final job they walk straight out of the bank they have just robbed right into Hanna and his squad, they have no alternative but to battle it out with the high powered weapons they are carrying. Staying with the theme of realism, Mann employed the ex British special force (SAS) member Andy Mcnabb to stage the ensuing gun battle. The litteral deafening raining gun fire as McCauley and his men tried to evade capture and Hanna and team tries to stop them. Think William Friedkin and Owen Roitzman's staging of their legendary car pursuit in the French Connection and apply that method to this scene and you'll get some idea of the sheer visceral intensity that is experienced on viewing this scene

    Heat is simply a testament to what can be done with the good old fashioned cops and robbers theme invested with a top class cast and crew firing on all cylinders. It does not short change in any department, to be honest you could talk about this film for hours. The best way to appreciate this masterpiece is to watch it, if it's your first time boy you are in for a treat but if it's a film that you are more than familiar with, because of it's dense and epic content there is always something new to see within it's layers, Heat litterally is the gift that keeps giving.

    5/5
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    As time goes by, Heat is finally getting the respect it has always deserved and, therefore, Mann also getting recognition as on of THE great directors of our time. There are very few movies that effectively combine superb action with deep character development. I just love it.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,336
    patb wrote: »
    As time goes by, Heat is finally getting the respect it has always deserved and, therefore, Mann also getting recognition as on of THE great directors of our time. There are very few movies that effectively combine superb action with deep character development. I just love it.

    That is exactly how i feel about Heat.

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    Hell or High Water (2016) and Kubo and the Two Strings (2016)

    Two very good movies, and both in my top 5 of the year!
  • @chrisisall Karin Dor is in Topaz looking different

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    Have you seen her on those old German Krimis (you know, those outrageously funny Edgar Wallace adaptations) by the Rialto company? She looks amazing there!
  • @chrisisall Karin Dor is in Topaz looking different

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    Have you seen her on those old German Krimis (you know, those outrageously funny Edgar Wallace adaptations) by the Rialto company? She looks amazing there!

    No mate not seen them will look for them, Karin looks great with black hair I vaguely remember her being blonde at one point.

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    The Departed (2006). Honestly didn't enjoy it as much as I expected to. Not bad, but definitely not one of my favorites from Scorsese. His best picture/director winner should have been for Taxi Driver or Raging Bull IMO.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    The Departed (2006). Honestly didn't enjoy it as much as I expected to. Not bad, but definitely not one of my favorites from Scorsese. His best picture/director winner should have been for Taxi Driver or Raging Bull IMO.

    I agree. A good film, but not a game changer. It rides on shock value, and once you've experienced the film and know the shocks and when they come, it doesn't really impress to the level you'd expect.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    The Departed (2006). Honestly didn't enjoy it as much as I expected to. Not bad, but definitely not one of my favorites from Scorsese. His best picture/director winner should have been for Taxi Driver or Raging Bull IMO.

    I agree. A good film, but not a game changer. It rides on shock value, and once you've experienced the film and know the shocks and when they come, it doesn't really impress to the level you'd expect.


    Good assessment. It has its positives for sure (particularly Jack Nicholson IMO), but it's just not collectively great. I tend to prefer Scorsese's more underrated/less talked about films, with the exceptions of the two I mentioned above (and Goodfellas - The Aviator too if you count that, which is debatable).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Wasn't The Departed a remake of Internal Affairs?
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    I think so. Haven't seen Internal Affairs.
  • Infernal Affairs ;)
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    Wasn't The Departed a remake of Internal Affairs?

    Yes it is.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    The Departed (2006). Honestly didn't enjoy it as much as I expected to. Not bad, but definitely not one of my favorites from Scorsese. His best picture/director winner should have been for Taxi Driver or Raging Bull IMO.

    I thought it was very ordinary for Scorsese. Definitely didn't deserve the best film accolade.

    Goodfellas on the other hand...
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    Few would argue against Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and Goodfellas being Scorsese's "Big 3", so to speak. Personally, I also love The King of Comedy, After Hours, Cape Fear, and The Aviator from Scorsese.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Few would argue against Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and Goodfellas being Scorsese's "Big 3", so to speak. Personally, I also love The King of Comedy, After Hours, Cape Fear, and The Aviator from Scorsese.

    I'd put Mean Streets there as well with the 'big three'

    I also like King of Comedy a lot. After Hours was excellent and very under appreciated.

    Didn't care for Cape Fear. I love the original but Scorsese's version was just a glorified slasher film.
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    patb wrote: »
    As time goes by, Heat is finally getting the respect it has always deserved and, therefore, Mann also getting recognition as on of THE great directors of our time. There are very few movies that effectively combine superb action with deep character development. I just love it.

    That is exactly how i feel about Heat.

    It's one of the main reasons that I always suggest Mann as a Bond director (perhaps it's too late now) but if you look at other movies: Manhunter, Last of the Mohicans and Collateral all had great action but very strong charater roles and always respected the audience as grown ups. In additional, they all had great tension, something lacking in Bond for a long time IMHO. He is 73, perhaps the boat has sailed.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 12,466
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Few would argue against Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and Goodfellas being Scorsese's "Big 3", so to speak. Personally, I also love The King of Comedy, After Hours, Cape Fear, and The Aviator from Scorsese.

    I'd put Mean Streets there as well with the 'big three'

    I also like King of Comedy a lot. After Hours was excellent and very under appreciated.

    Didn't care for Cape Fear. I love the original but Scorsese's version was just a glorified slasher film.

    Agree to disagree on that last one. Thought the acting and story were plenty of substance for it to not just be a glorified slasher. Also, for some reason Mean Streets didn't really click for me. Not sure why. Anyways Taxi Driver, After Hours, and The King of Comedy are likely my personal favorite 3 Scorsese films - the first two are my Top 2 for sure.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Few would argue against Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and Goodfellas being Scorsese's "Big 3", so to speak. Personally, I also love The King of Comedy, After Hours, Cape Fear, and The Aviator from Scorsese.

    I'd put Mean Streets there as well with the 'big three'

    I also like King of Comedy a lot. After Hours was excellent and very under appreciated.

    Didn't care for Cape Fear. I love the original but Scorsese's version was just a glorified slasher film.

    Agree to disagree on that last one. Thought the acting and story were plenty of substance for it to not just be a glorified slasher. Also, for some reason Mean Streets didn't really click for me. Not sure why. Anyways Taxi Driver, After Hours, and The King of Comedy are likely my personal favorite 3 Scorsese films - the first two are my Top 2 for sure.

    Goodfellas will always be my favourite Scorsese.

    Much as I like Raging Bull it's not one I am prone to watch very often.

    Also loved Casino even if it is a bit 'Goodfellas light'
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    My personal top three Scorsese

    Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and The Departed.
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    Mine are:

    Raging Bull, The Wolf of Wall Street and The Departed.
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    Based on a comment a while back by @Birdleson. I decided to watch Antoine et Colette (1962) along with all the other films about Antoine Doinel. The others are: Baisers volés (1968), Domicile conjugal (1970), and L'amour en fuite (1979). I have already seen Les Quatre Cents Coups (1959), so that's why i didn't watch that one aswell.

    Overall i enjoyed the series of films about Doinel, but must say that i found the films when he was younger to be much more interesting. And by that i mean the 3 first ones. With Les Quatre Cents Coups clearly being the best one.
    The conclusion to the series was also somewhat dissapointing.
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    Play Dirty [1969] - In which a young Michael Caine does a "dirty Dozen" in the desert when a team of commando's is to blow up the German fuel reserves. An excellent war movie.

    The magnificent seven ride - With Lee van Cleef as the lead and a young Stephanie Powers as damsel in distress. Once again a battle against a large group of Mexican thugs against 7 hero's. An average western.

    Frenzy - Hitchcock's later movie about a sexual lust murderer set in London's Covent Garden, I would say that this is indeed a very good movie with some brilliant set-pieces and one of the most horrifying murders on screen.

    Family Plot - Actually Hitchcock's last cinematic outing about a couple of professional kidnappers that get in the way of the best intentions of a medium and her boyfriend to earn a provision by finding an hair to a fortune. A very decent thriller with a great car action and a well told story.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The Departed (2006). Honestly didn't enjoy it as much as I expected to. Not bad, but definitely not one of my favorites from Scorsese. His best picture/director winner should have been for Taxi Driver or Raging Bull IMO.

    I agree. A good film, but not a game changer. It rides on shock value, and once you've experienced the film and know the shocks and when they come, it doesn't really impress to the level you'd expect.


    Good assessment. It has its positives for sure (particularly Jack Nicholson IMO), but it's just not collectively great. I tend to prefer Scorsese's more underrated/less talked about films, with the exceptions of the two I mentioned above (and Goodfellas - The Aviator too if you count that, which is debatable).

    @FoxRox, in many ways it's just so bizarre, with
    an ending where about five or six people get shot in about three minutes until the credits role, almost all by that pesky Matt Damon. It's so silly to watch now, though admittedly super shocking on first watch.

    I actually watched the movie a few years ago with my dad, and he has no idea what Scorsese's style is at all. He was predicting the ending to me, and how Leo's character was going to get the girl and beat the other characters and expose them, and all this optimistic stuff, then the ending came. He learned quite fast just how Scorsese films go, haha. ;)
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    The Departed is my favorite film of all time
  • Star Trek Beyond on the surface the film was enjoyable, though at times during the film I was not engaged in events. Familiarity is good though the reboot series is repeating itself too much now, deus ex machina was used so much in this film it was unreal. If you switch your brain off its a fun ride with some genuinely touching moments, the reveal admittedly did make other elements work. At this point it's the weakest in the reboot for me, I love Trek that rating could change, I'll no doubt watch this film hundreds of times.
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    I've got to rent Star Trek Beyond and BFG sometime, since I've watched every other Star Trek and Spielbert movie. Don't expect a lot from either honestly.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I loved Star Trek Beyond. It feels the closest to Star Trek for me it's the best of the Kelvin Timeline.
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    I hope I can enjoy it more than the last two; the reboot series has been a big flop for me personally. More like an action spectacle than real Star Trek.
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