Sanchez's iguana was a movie prop.

edited March 2013 in Bond Movies Posts: 4,622
After watching LTK this week, as part of my 2013 Bond-bluathon (now up to TWINE - 5 films to go) I think its clear the iguana is a fake in virtually every scene, at least every scene in which it interacts with actors, which sees it mostly perched on Sanchez's shoulder. I was first tipped to this possibility at The Designing Bond 50th Anniversary Show, which had the fake, very lifelike prop-iguana on display. But from watching the film again, I think the fake is used in almost every scene. Watch it, it never moves. The prop people seemingly adjusted it's stance by bending its legs or neck, from shot to shot, to create some variety, but otherwise it's stock still in every shot, in which it interacts with humans.
We do see it move once when it is sitting on a couch, but that's it.
The magic of movie-making. And all these years, I though it was the real deal, but I don't think it is.

==A couple of other interesting reveals from the very excellent Designing Bond Show:

The A-Tac machine is nothing but a brightly painted wood construct. The buttons don't even depress. There is nothing remotely mechanical about it.
Le Bombe Surprise from DAF: same thing. It's another painted wood construct, with some cheap wires attached.
Great props. Both sure looked real on film.

Edit: to mods. ooops. Sorry this post is not "news." I forgot to check the category when I posted. It probably fits in General Bond movie discussion.

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  • Posts: 5,634
    I haven't watched License to Kill for a long time, Dalton or not, but it seems the iguana was merely a prop. 'You want one too' ? says Sanchez, and from what I remember it clearly appears to be nothing more than a fake iguana. But at the end, when Lamora is seen giving it a stroke, it appears to be a real one ? I need to watch this release again sometime soon it would appear
  • Posts: 4,622
    I don't think it moved even when Lupe stroked it. Iguana as prop makes perfect sense though. That way the director didn't have to worry about getting the thing to co-operate when setting up shots.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Well, Lupe did say iguana props are a director's best friend.
  • Posts: 12,526
    Surely not in every scene? Would have to watch it again to have a better opinion?
  • Posts: 6,432
    Iguanas do remain very still, not once when i have watched Licence to Kill have i thought it was fake. Will have to give the iguana scenes closer inspection.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I'm very impressed, it certainly comes over as a real animal. But then again, Chauchescu always thought they showed him the real fruits from the land, whilst in reality it was all wood..
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 61
    Give me a break, enough with the conspiracy theories. It was a real iguana. It would be more expensive to build a robot iguana than it would be to just get a real iguana.
  • Posts: 4,622
    yes but the prop iguana exists. It has been preserved all these years and is on display at the Designing Bond show currently traveling the world. I think next stop is Shanghai with Melbourne set for later in the year.
    I always thought the iguana was real too, but now that I know the very life-like prop does exist, I can also see how it could have been, and most likely was used in almost every iguana scene. The fact that real-life iguanas tend to stay still, actually makes the prop more believable and practical. You couldn't exactly do the same thing with a prop parrot, hamster or white persian cat, but with a green iguana, who needs the real deal?!
  • Posts: 5,634
    They wouldn't have used a robot iguana. It was only featured two or three times, and very briefly, and if a plastic or rubber one was used, that seems most probable. The above post has it more or less right. Iguanas are still creatures. For arguments sake, it could well have been a real one for all we know. Maybe Robert Davi can come on and settle this argument maybe, but i've had enough for this night
  • Posts: 4,622
    The prop iguana looked rubber. I did see it up close. It could easily be bent into different poses. But anyone, watch the film, and notice how the iguana never seems to move, but for occasional scenes when it's not attached to a human.
  • They could also have used the prop iguana for setting up lighting and camera positions. They use stand-ins for the actors for this process (which can take a looooong time) so it seems likely that if they didn't use a prop for filming they would for setup. I would think it likely the prop was used for that as well as "non-hero" shots.

    Biggest surprise for me at the exhibit in Toronto was how beat up the attache case from FRWL was. Looked like something they found in a garbage dump! I actually felt pain in my heart and how little care it had seen over the years...
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 4,622
    Yes, I noticed the same thing about the briefcase, but on the other hand I was amazed that it actually still existed. That thing is ancient, and I think might be the most iconic prop of them all. Just as fascinating was seeing Oddjob's bowler - the actual hat, which I understand Eon had to buy back for a fortune at auction, after a fan got legal custody of it.
    Another hi-lite from the early years was Connery's actual coat and hat, that he wore as he visited M's office for the first time. These iconic clothing items were also touchable for those of us milling about. Having now made that tangible physical connection with Connery's Bond, my life is pretty much fully lived now. B-)
  • It was pretty odd to these those things with my own eyes. They don't have the mythical importance that they did to me when I was a kid, but I still couldn't wrap my head around the fact that I was seeing Oddjob's actual hat. The funny thing is, when I saw Vesper's purple dress from CR I was very aware that it was a costume worn by Eva Green while she was shooting a film, and she was wearing it while sitting around, drinking coffee, waiting for the next shot to be set up. But seeing Oddjob's hat - I was thinking "That's the hat that Oddjob threw at Bond in Fort Knox!" like he was a real person who did that it the real world!

    Funny how the things you experience as a kid are so different than what you experience as an adult...

    And no matter how excited I was to see everything there my girlfriend (who got me the tickets for Xmas) was even more excited to see Craig's swim trunks from CR... :-O
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 4,622
    Those were indeed the original-and-only blue snuggers - the genuine game-worn trunks from CR. They must have been on loan from the owner, as I heard they were bought at auction by a collector. The Halle Berry swimsuit was the real deal as well.
    The whole exhibit was absolutely fascinating. There was no shortage of props from the films, all instantly recognizable to Bond fanatics. But what I found most interesting were the numerous dresses and other costumes from the actual films. I didn't think this would be the case going in, but the dresses were so well displayed - on mannequins which bore the general look of the actresses, minus facial features, and in the exotic casino display setting. It really did have the effect of physical connection to these iconic films. The fact that you could discreetly touch a lot of these famous costumes was major bonus. I'm not sure it was encouraged, but there was certainly nothing stopping, if one was discreet and respectful. It's only natural to want to get a sense of the fabric's feel.
    Of particular fascination for me was Anya's evening gown, the two LTK casino dresses of Pam and Lupe, plus Vesper and Elektra King's casino outfits, all of which were quite touchable and thrilling to see up close like this. Same with Tiffany Case's actual DAF cream coloured pant-suit ensemble. Awesome.
    Camille's little black party dress from QoS, featured in posters, was another hi-lite. It was behind glass, but the little tear in the dress which is clear in the both the film and stills, was also quite visible, lending to the authenticity.
    I also had fun cracking knuckles on Tee Hee's mechanical arm, which was mounted on a wall. There was nothing phony about that prop. It was quite sturdy solid.
  • Biggest surprise for me at the exhibit in Toronto was how beat up the attache case from FRWL was. Looked like something they found in a garbage dump!

    There's a close-up shot of it in the "Bond on Set" DAD photo book, where it was used in the Q "storage locker" scene. It definitely looked pretty scuffed-up then.

    While it would be nice if it had been stored better, I kind of appreciate that they didn't re-surface it or cover the scratches with varnish or something. This way, it may not look great, but it's still the original prop intact, without any bells or whistles.

  • timmer wrote:
    Those were indeed the original-and-only blue snuggers - the genuine game-worn trunks from CR. They must have been on loan from the owner, as I heard they were bought at auction by a collector. The Halle Berry swimsuit was the real deal as well.
    The whole exhibit was absolutely fascinating. There was no shortage of props from the films, all instantly recognizable to Bond fanatics. But what I found most interesting were the numerous dresses and other costumes from the actual films. I didn't think this would be the case going in, but the dresses were so well displayed - on mannequins which bore the general look of the actresses, minus facial features, and in the exotic casino display setting. It really did have the effect of physical connection to these iconic films. The fact that you could discreetly touch a lot of these famous costumes was major bonus. I'm not sure it was encouraged, but there was certainly nothing stopping, if one was discreet and respectful. It's only natural to want to get a sense of the fabric's feel.
    Of particular fascination for me was Anya's evening gown, the two LTK casino dresses of Pam and Lupe, plus Vesper and Elektra King's casino outfits, all of which were quite touchable and thrilling to see up close like this. Same with Tiffany Case's actual DAF cream coloured pant-suit ensemble. Awesome.
    Camille's little black party dress from QoS, featured in posters, was another hi-lite. It was behind glass, but the little tear in the dress which is clear in the both the film and stills, was also quite visible, lending to the authenticity.
    I also had fun cracking knuckles on Tee Hee's mechanical arm, which was mounted on a wall. There was nothing phony about that prop. It was quite sturdy solid.

    With the newer props and costumes there will be more than one copy. I believe that for the famous La Perla trunks there were two pairs that Craig wore when filming, plus another two that were kept "in reserve" if needed by the production. It's likely there were at least two copies of Jinx's bikini as well, and Green's dress from CR.

    As someone who has an interest in clothes (perhaps started by Bond?) it was great to see the costumes up close. You'd think I'd know from working on films but it still surprises me how plain some clothes can look in the real world yet how glamorous they look on film (I'm thinking of Anya's dress or Dalton's tux from LTK). Yet others (Green's purple dress from CR, Pam's dress from LTK) look even better in the real world than on film!

    When LTK came out my girlfriend was told that she looked like Talisa Soto, so it was interesting to finally see the red lace dress from LTK. In 1989 she would have loved to have worn a dress like that, not only because of how beautiful it seemed but because it would have enhanced that comparison. But what looked so beautiful on her at the time looks quite dated now and the colour doesn't look nearly as nice in the real world as it does on film. That was one of the few costumes I felt that way about.

    It's interesting how different things look on film. The sweater that Craig wears at SF lodge in SF looks turquoise in the theatre, royal blue on my TV, and yet a third different shade of blue in the real world!

  • edited March 2013 Posts: 4,622
    I'm sure there were extra bathing suits lying around, but I did check with the Tiff curator, and he assured me that everything on display was movie-worn, except for the articles clearly identified as replica. The blue snuggers are only in the one scene, when he rises from the surf, in his worship-me pose. Some guy actually paid $72K at auction for these authentic film-worn baby blues. He can have them, but I did like the new line of Connery baby blues, circa TB. Might pick up a pair for the summer pool season.
    The signage was also quite clear that we were viewing film worn arcticles. If that wasn't the case, I wouldn't pay cash to look at replicas or spares. Anything that was replica was identified as such, such as Honey Ryder'sbikini, Sean's TB trunks etc. The integrity of the exhibit hinges on displaying the authentic film-worn goods. That was it's appeal, that we would be gazing upon authentic film-used stuff.
  • JRRJRR
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    timmer wrote:
    yes but the prop iguana exists. It has been preserved all these years and is on display at the Designing Bond show currently traveling the world. I think next stop is Shanghai with Melbourne set for later in the year.
    I always thought the iguana was real too, but now that I know the very life-like prop does exist, I can also see how it could have been, and most likely was used in almost every iguana scene. The fact that real-life iguanas tend to stay still, actually makes the prop more believable and practical. You couldn't exactly do the same thing with a prop parrot, hamster or white persian cat, but with a green iguana, who needs the real deal?!

  • JRRJRR
    Posts: 74
    National Geographic quote "Iguanas' stout build gives them a clumsy look, but they are fast and agile on land".
    When these reptiles get an idea in head that they are not intending on staying around they can really move! This may be the reason for the disappointing prop, either that or it may have had a penchant for disappearing and not returning with that diamond necklace.
  • Posts: 4,622
    JRR wrote:
    National Geographic quote "Iguanas' stout build gives them a clumsy look, but they are fast and agile on land".
    When these reptiles get an idea in head that they are not intending on staying around they can really move! This may be the reason for the disappointing prop, either that or it may have had a penchant for disappearing and not returning with that diamond necklace.
    :)) Interesting. I could just see the thing dashing off at blazing speed and driving them all crazy trying to catch it. But I think the prop worked quite well. I always thought it was real anyway, until I saw the prop iguana on display at Designing Bond show.
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